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Monitoring the situation in Iran

It's fucking laughable how afraid they are of those 6.5% Muslims they have in society (UK).

When you do anything at all (national holidays etc.), god forbid you offend them.

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If 90% out of those 6.5% are concentrated in one city, furthermore in a few neighborhoods of one city, some of them radicalised, some of them being organized and criminal, ready to commit terrorist attacks, as they did in the past, of course you're afraid of them. Who wouldn't be?
 
Given this is Texas more than likely a significant proportion of the crowd were carrying concealed and put that motherfucker down themselves. If this was an anti gun blue state the body count would prob have been much higher as the unarmed waited for police response.
Oh never mind I thought he actually went into the bar it was more a drive around shooting people situation.

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Will that make anyone killed by imported Islamic terrorists in retaliation for attacking an Islamic regime any less dead?

Fear of 'domestic' terrorist action is a significant determinator of foreign policy for many European nations now, as so much of their population now has greater allegiance to the potential adversary of the nation's foreign policy than to the nation they reside within.

Well, yes.

Hopefully this will lead to a critcal mass supporting DEPORTATION before it is too late demographically.
 
Given this is Texas more than likely a significant proportion of the crowd were carrying concealed and put that motherfucker down themselves. If this was an anti gun blue state the body count would prob have been much higher as the unarmed waited for police response.
Illegal to carry in bars in Texas. Some people do conceal carry anyway of course, but it's basically a "gun-free zone" aka a soft target for terrorists and mass shooters.
 
Because, as I've repeatedly tried to explain, your general conclusion does not necessarily follow from your premise.

It does.

P1. The current authoritarian shithole government was started from the Iranian Revolution.
P2. The Iranian Revolution was started as a protest due to discontent against the Western puppet government that catered to the interests of the US and UK over Iranians first.
P3. The US and UK staged an illegal coup that ousted the democratically chosen Prime Minister to install their puppet and take over their oil rights.
P4. The Iranian culture and system of government was seeing a natural shift towards Western culture under its own self-selected, sovereign government before the coup.
C. The discontent that sparked the Iranian Revolution probably wouldn't have been strong enough to overcome the natural Westernization of Iran if the US and UK hadn't illegally ousted Iran's Prime Minister for oil.

I was referring to Ireland in my previous reply. I really don't know what this discussion is about anymore.

Perhaps I misunderstood you somewhere earlier, I thought you were trying to use Iran as a general argument about the spread of Islamism in all countries where it dominates today, and that requires studying individual cases in detail, not just looking at an apparent correlation and making a conjecture.

I know you did. I was demonstrating how political radicalization applies to other religions as well and isn't a uniquely Islamic trait, and that you bringing it up doesn't necessarily support your own thesis.

I think we're just misunderstanding each other at this point. Because I'm saying the same about yours.

It still comes back to me asking you to use your worldview to explain Iran in the 60s and 70s and not getting a satisfying answer, because under your worldview, it wouldn't have been Westernized to that extent in the first place. The other stuff is just variations of why and how.
 
Sad thing is the purple haired at the other forum truly believe he was a martyr and went as far as saying he's the profile of courage

I'm not surprised.

I bet they didn't support Iran when it was revealed that the regime murdered thousands of their own citizens for daring to protest.

But as soon as Trump and Israel took action that was it. Iran are now the "good guys" in their eyes because their at war with the US and Israel.
 
If 90% out of those 6.5% are concentrated in one city, furthermore in a few neighborhoods of one city, some of them radicalised, some of them being organized and criminal, ready to commit terrorist attacks, as they did in the past, of course you're afraid of them. Who wouldn't be?

Easy solution to that

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I'm not surprised.

I bet they didn't support Iran when it was revealed that the regime murdered thousands of their own citizens for daring to protest.

But as soon as Trump and Israel took action that was it. Iran are now the "good guys" in their eyes because their at war with the US and Israel.

 
Given this is Texas more than likely a significant proportion of the crowd were carrying concealed and put that motherfucker down themselves. If this was an anti gun blue state the body count would prob have been much higher as the unarmed waited for police response.

Yeah and let's say it was a military base in Texas. Like maybe... Ft Hood or something. The perp definitely gets dropped instantly. Definitely doesn't kill 14 people.

And another guy definitely wouldn't kill 3 more people just 5 years later on the exact same base. All because Texas votes the way I like.
 


France and Macron condemned the war just yesterday. Then Iran decided they needed more enemies and attacked the French air force base in Abu Dhabi. Now France is sending the only nuclear aircraft carrier in the world which doesn't belong to the US over

Maybe Europe will start learning lessons about how the US is actually their ally and start being nice to us instead of trying to push us away
 
Yeah and let's say it was a military base in Texas. Like maybe... Ft Hood or something. The perp definitely gets dropped instantly. Definitely doesn't kill 14 people.

And another guy definitely wouldn't kill 3 more people just 5 years later on the exact same base. All because Texas votes the way I like.
A military base is ironically a "gun free zone" for the vast majority:

"The rules for carrying weapons on an Army post are standard throughout all bases, service officials said. The only personnel allowed to openly display weapons on the base are military police, said Lt. Col. Nathan Banks, an Army spokesman.

Service weapons are checked daily and are usually only allowed to be removed from an arms room for training on a range or maintenance. Personal weapons must be kept locked and registered with the base provost marshal. The military police keep a record of all of the weapons on a base, Army officials said."

 
A military base is ironically a "gun free zone" for the vast majority:

"The rules for carrying weapons on an Army post are standard throughout all bases, service officials said. The only personnel allowed to openly display weapons on the base are military police, said Lt. Col. Nathan Banks, an Army spokesman.

Service weapons are checked daily and are usually only allowed to be removed from an arms room for training on a range or maintenance. Personal weapons must be kept locked and registered with the base provost marshal. The military police keep a record of all of the weapons on a base, Army officials said."

Yeah it's a little bit different flavor of "gun free" when you still have armed MP all over. It's not like that's the only example in Texas anyway. Even just in the past few years there was the Walmart shooting in 2019 and the outdoor mall one in 2023. Point is, it's inaccurate and borderline victim-blamey to act like Texas/Texans have the problem under control and others don't.
 
Bro the US is the one doing the pushing by making insane demands and throwing tariffs everywhere when they don't get their way.

So pretty much all countries, even our allies, are allowed to have tariffs / high import taxes, but the US does it to even things out and put pressure to bring manufacturing in again, and we are the bad guys for it?

K.
 


France and Macron condemned the war just yesterday. Then Iran decided they needed more enemies and attacked the French air force base in Abu Dhabi. Now France is sending the only nuclear aircraft carrier in the world which doesn't belong to the US over

Maybe Europe will start learning lessons about how the US is actually their ally and start being nice to us instead of trying to push us away

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They can condemn the war for exactly the reason that they now have been drawn in to it even though they didn't want any part of it.
 
So pretty much all countries, even our allies, are allowed to have tariffs / high import taxes, but the US does it to even things out and put pressure to bring manufacturing in again, and we are the bad guys for it?

K.
This isn't a tariff politics thread, and there's a difference between what other countries do and what the US wanted, e.g. wanting the UK to lower it's food standards so they could buy the cheap chloride chicken from the US. Or wanting to include a clause making the NHS pay more for medicine so it doesn't make the US look bad for their high ass medical costs.
 


TL;DR - The US reverse engineered the Shahed drones that Iran designed (which Russia uses in the Ukraine war) and strapped a Starlink receiver on theirs and they can now be flown and directed in real time at Iranian targets


It was already used in the first day of the conflict. There're a bunch of similar designs already

Let's also agree that there's nothing to reverse engineer there. This thing is basically a German drone engine (which looks like a motorcycle engine) with wings and a iridium phone for guidance.
 
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muslim uncle tom, africans have been brainwashed after decades of enslavement and colonizing by muslims, it's a wild world.
Always amazing to me when you got foreigners going through the hassle of moving countries (not exactly the easiest thing to do for anyone or any family).

You'd think if there's some effort to move to get away from a crappier situation in a different country, they'd land in the new country and not bring any bad baggage with them. The point would logically be to get through life in a better environment.

Guess not.

You know how it goes for many people. Easy to teach new them new skills, but hard as hell to change their personality.
 

With the forces now built up, Lebanon would be wise to actually calm that down. Israel and the US could easily re-direct some of the their forces and not lose sight of their current objectives. Iran is teetering - there's nothing on any cards I can see that says they have to stop there.
 
It was already used in the first day of the conflict. There're a bunch o similar designs already

Let's also agree that there's nothing to reverse engineer there. This thing is basically a German drone engine (which looks like a motorcycle engine) with wings and a iridium phone for guidance.
And yet it's a complete reversal from traditional American and Western combat doctrine, so what's remarkable is the turnaround on the part of the US military in terms of fully embracing and using this technology at scale
 
P1. The current authoritarian shithole government was started from the Iranian Revolution.

P2. The Iranian Revolution was started as a protest due to discontent against the Western puppet government that catered to the interests of the US and UK over Iranians first.

P3. The US and UK staged an illegal coup that ousted the democratically chosen Prime Minister to install their puppet and take over their oil rights.

P4. The Iranian culture and system of government was seeing a natural shift towards Western culture under its own self-selected, sovereign government before the coup.

C. The discontent that sparked the Iranian Revolution probably wouldn't have been strong enough to overcome the natural Westernization of Iran if the US and UK hadn't illegally ousted Iran's Prime Minister for oil.
My apologies. P1-P3 are factual. P4 can be debated, and I'll get to it shortly.

Here is where I misunderstood: I thought you were making a general claim about Islamic democracy. In the case of Iran I agree it was western interventionism that pushed them further toward rejection of western values, namely participation in a free global market, women's rights, separation of religion and state, and also western style democracy.

There are cultural factors that determined what form that rejection took, and this is what I was referring to when I mentioned "intelligent actors" in my first reply.

One such factor was the West fundamentally misunderstanding Islamic, Arab and Middle Eastern culture (and I'll include Persian culture among these, without going into further detail, for the sake of brevity, even though this may be inappropriate), which is why it repeatedly made the same mistakes across different arenas over the years. One thing it severely underestimated is the deep pride that is associated with their world view and way of life, as a holistic entity, to the extent that even adopting a single western property of government, such as free elections, could be seen as counter to that holistic world view, as defined under Islam.

The link describes the troubled 1952 elections, prior to the UK/US coup. But you can go further and look at elections in Iran all the way back to 1906, and you'll see that there was a struggle through all this period to fully adopt free elections, in the western sense, without strong internal opposition, even as support for further westernization was growing among certain factions (itself a product both of internal ideological shifts and intentional efforts by European powers - the British and Belgian going back to the 19th century, and perhaps others I'm unaware of). This complicates your P4, and I don't feel familiar enough with Iranian/Persian history to go through and unmuddy the waters further than this.

Ultimately, at the base of the argument I was trying to make (and this is taken from Bernard Lewis), is that Islam sees itself as more than a third variation on Abrahamic religion. The fundamental difference between it and Christianity and Judaism is that Islam was meant to be a complete way of life for the individual, along with a complete way of running a society, a country, and ultimately a network of countries. It did not go through the power struggles between church and state that were characteristic of Christian countries in the middle ages, which ultimately led to separation between the two. It was seen, therefore as a complete set of guidelines for human societies, which is also why modifying it was met with so much resistance.

Perhaps a useful analogy is the system of government in China, which is unique, and evolved out of a fusion of Confucianism, Communism, and Western values that were adopted only after a series of very bloody and very harmful revolutions. Islamic governance could have headed in a similar trajectory, and it still can if Chinese or Russian influence are strong enough.
I know you did. I was demonstrating how political radicalization applies to other religions as well and isn't a uniquely Islamic trait, and that you bringing it up doesn't necessarily support your own thesis.
I'm not familiar enough with the interplay between colonization and radicalization in Ireland to know how big of a role religion played in the ideology behind that conflict. You are welcome to educate me further if you think it is relevant.
It still comes back to me asking you to use your worldview to explain Iran in the 60s and 70s and not getting a satisfying answer, because under your worldview, it wouldn't have been Westernized to that extent in the first place. The other stuff is just variations of why and how.
Once again, I'm not disagreeing with you, just saying that there is more to it, and that the unexpected manner in which western interventionism failed to produce stable and safe societies in many Arab, Islamic or Middle Eastern countries, (unexpected from the perspective of the west) has a lot to do with cultural foundations that were laid by previous empires.
 
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My apologies. P1-P3 are factual. P4 can be debated, and I'll get to it shortly.

Here is where I misunderstood: I thought you were making a general claim about Islamic democracy. In the case of Iran I agree it was western interventionism that pushed them further toward rejection of western values, namely participation in a free global market, women's rights, separation of religion and state, and also western style democracy.

There are cultural factors that determined what form that rejection took, and this is what I was referring to when I mentioned "intelligent actors" in my first reply.

One such factor was the West fundamentally misunderstanding Islamic, Arab and Middle Eastern culture (and I'll include Persian culture among these, without going into further detail, for the sake of brevity, even though this may be inappropriate), which is why it repeatedly made the same mistakes across different arenas over the years. One thing it severely underestimated is the deep pride that is associated with their world view and way of life, as a holistic entity, to the extent that even adopting a single western property of government, such as free elections, could be seen as counter to that holistic world view, as defined under Islam.

The link describes the troubled 1952 elections, prior to the UK/US coup. But you can go further and look at elections in Iran all the way back to 1906, and you'll see that there was a struggle through all this period to fully adopt free elections, in the western sense, without strong internal opposition, even as support for further westernization was growing among certain factions (itself a product both of internal ideological shifts and intentional efforts by European powers - the British and Belgian going back to the 19th century, and perhaps others I'm unaware of). This complicates your P4, and I don't feel familiar enough with Iranian/Persian history to go through and unmuddy the waters further than this.

Ultimately, at the base of the argument I was trying to make (and this is taken from Bernard Lewis), is that Islam sees itself as more than a third variation on Abrahamic religion. The fundamental difference between it and Christianity and Judaism is that Islam was meant to be a complete way of life for the individual, along with a complete way of running a society, a country, and ultimately a network of countries. It did not go through the power struggles between church and state that were characteristic of Christian countries in the middle ages, which ultimately led to separation between the two. It was seen, therefore as a complete set of guidelines for human societies, which is also why modifying it was met with so much resistance.

I'm not familiar enough with the interplay between colonization and radicalization in Ireland to know how big of a role religion played in the ideology behind that conflict. You are welcome to educate me further if you think it is relevant.

Once again, I'm not disagreeing with you, just saying that there is more to it, and that the unexpected manner in which western interventionism failed to produce stable and safe societies in many Arab, Islamic or Middle Eastern countries, (unexpected from the perspective of the west) has a lot to do with cultural foundations that were laid by previous empires.

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This complicates your P4, and I don't feel familiar enough with Iranian/Persian history to go through and unmuddy the waters further than this.

That's why I'm comfortable with "probably" in my conclusion and not "definitely".

has a lot to do with cultural foundations that were laid by previous empires.

(whose negative anti-democratic and anti-liberal characteristics would probably only manifest as a response to imperialist invasion or some other kind of strife, hence the many qualifiers, "what-ifs" and complications.)
 
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