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Monitoring the situation in Iran

Except Russian blogger was an accurate portrayal of your behavior. If I laughed at them over SMO, why should you be any different?

Generally I have a hard dislike when people try to ruffle feathers on serious topics and then retreat to "it's not that serious lighten up", not cool just because it's a game forum.

OK bro, super metered take.

You know me well :messenger_ok:

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Just let me know what permissions I have and how I am allowed to speak on this forum you apparently own, comrade. I await your instruction.
 
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The post you refer to said that my post wasn't worth your time reading or responding to, so I ignored it, including the window dressing at the end.

Imagine being so triggered by words on a message board you can't even be nice when the other reaches out with an olive branch.

That true emotionally weak shit. I like that! Own that shit, champ!
 
Why is the word "war" suddenly a controversial one? Why are we playing semantics with something that is abundantly clear? Is it because partisan politics demands we not call it a war right now? Why?...
Because American President's don't have the power to declare War. War isn't a meaningless word from a legal or statecraft point of view. If Trump's military actions are short/fast enough - less than 60 days, from memory - they can be declared as simple military operations, and that's totally fine. Venezuela is a perfect example of this (though, that raid is likely in violation of international law and treaties). Any longer than that time frame, and the President needs a new designation for their actions or they must ask Congress to declare a state of War. Other American Presidents have worked around this to keep military actions moving, calling them everything from "policing operations" to "counter-terrorism raids" to get around needing a state of War. But, if Trump wants War powers - to, say, call up a draft or postpone elections - he needs a state of War.
 
OK bro, super metered take.

You know me well :messenger_ok:

EverybodyIDontLikeIdHitlerRussia.meme

Just let me know what permissions I have and how I am allowed to speak on this forum you apparently own, comrade. I await your instruction.

Would you go to a restaurant, start a food fight, and say "what, do you own the place and make the rules here?" when someone gets pissed off?
 
Imagine being so triggered by words on a message board you can't even be nice when the other reaches out with an olive branch.

That true emotionally weak shit. I like that! Own that shit, champ!

You call your last post nice? Are you thinking the colored text is hidden or something?

Oh wait...I get it now, it was just a joke! Because this is a game forum, and not that serious. Silly me.
 
Destroying desalination plants? Wow, that's low.
This comes to prove that one of the reasons for this war is false (freeing the people of Iran).

I'm getting really worried about the dangerous path this war is taking.

Oil prices are going to the roof very soon like we have never seen before.

I just hope china doesn't get involved in this shit show.

0.30 Cent jump in two days on the 87 gas here in NYC.. Insane.
 


-Supreme leader and top ~50 leaders all immediately assassinated
-Air force obliterated
-Navy at the bottom of the ocean
-Ballistic missiles exhausted
-Oil reserves in flames
-Every neighboring Arab country united against you

All according to keikaku
 
Why is the word "war" suddenly a controversial one? Why are we playing semantics with something that is abundantly clear? Is it because partisan politics demands we not call it a war right now? Why?

I can understand what happened in Venezuela being defined as a military operation, we got in and got out quickly. Makes perfect sense. But Iran? We have a multi-phase, likely multi-week direct armed conflict between nations with missiles flying all over, military assets blowing up, and demands of unconditional surrender being sent. It's a fucking war.

They use to call it a police action


police action

noun

Synonyms of police action
: a localized military action undertaken without formal declaration of war by regular armed forces against persons held to be violators of international peace and order​

opposed to what war use to be which was total war between nation-states where the entire damn country's economic output was toward the war effort.

The US is always and never at war. It's nothing new.

The world accept US interventionism to keep the peace and had no problem with it for 50 years. What changed? The bulk demographics of people who accepted the "police action" fought in or experienced WW2 lost political power in the late 80s and 90s. Then died off in the 2000, 2010s.

Then those damn Boomers took over. Them and their damn weiner kids
 
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This is not entirely accurate, last year when shit was popping off and Iran's facilities were reportedly obliterated, they gave advance warning to the US before retaliating on some bases.
A bit different in that Beige is talking about warning for humanitarian reasons, whereas in this instance Iran gave warning specifically because they wanted to avoid President Trump being forced to respond to their face-saving retaliation, ie. giving warning was in their own interests.

President Trump's 'I want to thank Iran for giving us early notice...' remark is intended to communicate to everyone that Iran's 'retaliation' was effectively just for show and that therefore it's ok for him to choose not to respond to it.
 


-Supreme leader and top ~50 leaders all immediately assassinated
-Air force obliterated
-Navy at the bottom of the ocean
-Ballistic missiles exhausted
-Oil reserves in flames
-Every neighboring Arab country united against you

All according to keikaku



So many should-of-been generals have come out of the wood work, with elite knowledge of the military and exclusive Intel of the enemy. It's incredible how wise we have become with social media.

OR, people who center their life around hating one political side let their ignorance flow by making up fanfic to support the terrorist.

One of the 2!
 
Because American President's don't have the power to declare War. War isn't a meaningless word from a legal or statecraft point of view. If Trump's military actions are short/fast enough - less than 60 days, from memory - they can be declared as simple military operations, and that's totally fine. Venezuela is a perfect example of this (though, that raid is likely in violation of international law and treaties). Any longer than that time frame, and the President needs a new designation for their actions or they must ask Congress to declare a state of War. Other American Presidents have worked around this to keep military actions moving, calling them everything from "policing operations" to "counter-terrorism raids" to get around needing a state of War. But, if Trump wants War powers - to, say, call up a draft or postpone elections - he needs a state of War.
The US hasn't formally been at a declared war since World War II. Yes, even Vietnam wasn't technically a declared war and was never authorized by Congress as a declared war. There was a Congressional resolution that allowed for limited (at the time) military activity but that's it

President Trump doesn't need any formal war powers even to send troops, and multiple previous Presidents have sent troops without a state of formally declared war, although it's unlikely he would be able to get the US into a conflict the scale of Vietnam (2.7 million American troops at the peak) without Congress formally authorizing some sort of military action
 
Option 1 is when Iran kills all these "undermining" people by the TENS OF THOUSANDS", like thry did what, a month ago? How soon some forget.

Forget what? I wrote that precisely because I didn't forget. They kill tens of thousands of their own people, and we stop them by doing what? Killing ten of thousands more of their own people? What a solution. How many more Iranians do we kill until the medicine is worse than the disease? Hundreds of thousands? Iraq War numbers?

Now the ability of Iran's military to actually FIGHT has been severely reduced, many leaders are dead, so your "moderate semi-secular non zealots" have an actual chance now. If they exist.

Keyword "IF". And what if we bombed them to hell and they no longer exist? What if we blew up the infrastructure they needed to use their chance? What if we bombed them severely enough that they decide their insane religious theocracy is actually not that bad compared to getting shot at by the USA? So we eliminated their leadership in one day. Great. Good riddance. What happens if we also destroyed the only good replacement for them too?
 
The US hasn't formally been at a declared war since World War II. Yes, even Vietnam wasn't technically a declared war and was never authorized by Congress as a declared war. There was a Congressional resolution that allowed for limited (at the time) military activity but that's it

President Trump doesn't need any formal war powers even to send troops, and multiple previous Presidents have sent troops without a state of formally declared war, although it's unlikely he would be able to get the US into a conflict the scale of Vietnam (2.7 million American troops at the peak) without Congress formally authorizing some sort of military action
Of course Presidents don't require war powers to send troops; the bureaucratic delay in such immediate actions - such as to defend the USA and/or her allies - was the expressed reason for the 60 day window. However, to commit to full scale military action requires Congress' approval - such as sending the USA "to War". This is why the current US Administration is avoiding the word for their actions in Iran, but Trump's lexicon is slim to miniscule so he can't help himself. I suspect they expected the Iranian people to overthrow the government once the Ayatollah was killed, meaning they wouldn't need to commit to such large scale and extended actions.
 
Imagine being so triggered by words on a message board you can't even be nice when the other reaches out with an olive branch.

That true emotionally weak shit. I like that! Own that shit, champ!

Could you please stop it.... I read this thread to be informed, not to see you insulting anyone who you suspect might be even a bit critical of this war and god forbid Trump.
 

This seems unlikely. The installation is right on the other side from Bahrain on Qesh island over 500 kilometers away. You also have to fire almost across Qatar to do this, an attack which would be way easier by plane coming from the Gulf of Oman.
As this 'analyst' thinks the ATACMS is the launcher and not a missile I'm not that sure he knows enough about events to say so confidently that the missile from Bahrain was what hit the plant and now Bahrain deserves to have theirs destroyed.
 
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However, to commit to full scale military action requires Congress' approval...
More in terms of eventually needing Congress to approve the funding which would eventually be required to sustain such an action, rather than needing permission.

In terms of permission, it seems more like Congress would have to actively tell the President to withdraw via legislation and with enough support to defeat his veto.

I suspect they expected the Iranian people to overthrow the government once the Ayatollah was killed, meaning they wouldn't need to commit to such large scale and extended actions.
I don't think there was an expectation of that happening. The message was their best opportunity to do so for generations would be once the US finishes bombing tf out of the regime, but it's incredibly unlikely the US is relying on it happening.
 
EDIT: Nah, better not get into shit like this while drunk. Learned my lesson last time.

But for the record, rest in piss the leader that got spawncamped day one.
 
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Isn't the bombing of desalination plants a war crime just like the bombing of energy infrastructure in Ukraine by the russians?

This is what I don't get. You bomb a country in the hopes that people revolt and tople the government but then you go and bomb this peoples life support.
 
Speaking of



This is pretty much what annalists were warning for: an escalating war that now has both sides hitting desalination plants.

March 5th


Article:
Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and neighboring countries in the Persian Gulf region use the fossil fuels under their desert lands not only to make money, but also to make drinking water. The petroleum they produce powers more than 400 desalination plants, which turn seawater into drinkable water.

In the war that began on Feb. 28, 2026, with U.S. and Israeli attacks on Iran, retaliatory attacks from Iranian forces have hit oil refineries and natural gas plants and disrupted tourism and aviation. Those attacks all hurt Gulf nations' economies and their hard-won reputations for safety and stability.

But Iranian strikes have also already hit close to a key desalination plant in Dubai. Iranian strikes on March 2 on Dubai's Jebel Ali port hit about 12 miles (20 kilometers) away from a massive complex with 43 desalination units that are key to the city's production of more than 160 billion gallons of water each year.

And there has already been damage to the UAE's Fujairah F1 power and water plant and at Kuwait's Doha West plant. In both cases, the damage seems to have stemmed from attacks on nearby ports or from falling debris from drone interceptions.

Saltwater kingdoms

The region's monarchies are often described as petro-states, but they have also become what I call saltwater kingdoms, global superpowers in the production of human-made fresh water drawn from the sea. Desalination is part of the reason there are golf courses, fountains, water parks and even indoor ski slopes with manufactured snow.

All together, eight of the 10 largest desalination plants in the world are in the Arabian Peninsula. Israel's two Sorek plants round out the list.

The countries of the Arabian Peninsula have about 60% of global water-desalination capacity. And plants close to Iran, around the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea, produce more than 30% of the world's desalinated water.

Roughly 100 million people in the Gulf region rely on desalination plants for their water. Without them, almost nobody would be able to live in Kuwait, Qatar and the UAE – or much of Saudi Arabia, including its capital, Riyadh.

Sabotage of water supplies

CIA worries about attacks on Gulf region desalination plants date back to the 1980s. During Saddam Hussein's 1990 invasion of Kuwait, those worries became real.

After coalition forces began bombing Iraqi positions in January 1991, part of Iraqi troops' response was to release millions of barrels of crude oil into the Persian Gulf. As the massive oil slick drifted south, U.S. and Saudi officials feared it was meant to sabotage desalination systems.

Workers installed protective booms to shield intake valves at major plants, especially the one that supplies much of Riyadh's water. In Kuwait, Iraqi sabotage damaged or destroyed much of the country's desalination capacity.

Kuwaiti authorities also turned to Turkey and Saudi Arabia to supply some 750 water tankers and 200 trucks to import an 18-ton emergency supply of bottled water. U.S.-supplied generators and mobile desalination units provided additional temporary relief, though the full recovery took years.

More recent threats

Fears of attacks on desalination plants resurfaced after Yemen's Houthi movement launched drones and missiles at Saudi facilities at Al-Shuqaiq in 2019 and 2022 – though they did no lasting damage.

Iran's weapons are far more numerous and sophisticated than the Houthis', though, so if it attacked desalination plants, the damage could be significant.

There is an irony here: Iran's capital city of Tehran has a water shortage crisis so serious that in 2025 the government reportedly considered relocating the drought-stricken capital to the coast. But Iran is less vulnerable to attacks on desalination, because its water supply relies instead on dams and wells.

Whatever else the war may be about, water could well become a major factor in the violence and leave lasting political scars. And if either side were to intentionally attack water sources or desalination plants, it would clearly be a human-rights violation.




Article:
As the US-Israel war accelerates and the prospects of state implosion grow, the only option for the Islamic Republic's leaders is to retaliate in ways that exact a similar cost for the Gulf Arab states. Faced by a do-or-die scenario, Tehran will try to choke off the life reservoir of both Israel and its Gulf neighbors, i.e., oil, gas, and water. It is already closing the Strait of Hormuz, has hit oil facilities in the U.A.E., and has damaged and possibly crippled Qatar's LNG production.

The U.S. and Israel are racing to destroy Iran's ballistic missiles, but it is very likely that it has many in reserve to deliver the final blow, which is the destruction of desalination plants, without which the Gulf states cannot survive. No water, no state, it is as simple as that. State implosion is a very real possibility in the U.A.E, Qatar, and other Gulf states.

Knowing this, it is very likely that Gulf Arab leaders will sooner rather than later press Donald Trump to declare victory and end the U.S. assault. As their supplies of anti-ballistic "interceptor" missiles dwindle, they will have to choose between their own survival and tolerating the near existential costs of a prolonged conflict. Not surprisingly, U.S. military officials insist that the Arab states are not running out of interceptors, but the supply is finite. A catastrophe of epic proportions is a real possibility.
 
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-Supreme leader and top ~50 leaders all immediately assassinated
-Air force obliterated
-Navy at the bottom of the ocean
-Ballistic missiles exhausted
-Oil reserves in flames
-Every neighboring Arab country united against you

All according to keikaku

mmm how many fighter jets did the Taliban have? Or how many battleships did the vietnamese have?

Boots on the ground is the only way to try and end this if you refuse to do any diplomatic end to this. But boots on the ground will probably end in disaster (again) for the US. Especially with the drone warfare we see in the Ukraine conflict. I wonder how America will react seeing their soldiers getting blown up in half in 4k videos...
 
I suspect they expected the Iranian people to overthrow the government once the Ayatollah was killed, meaning they wouldn't need to commit to such large scale and extended actions.
It might have helped if the "we have your backs, rise up" comments aligned closer with actually being ready. Man that was so painful to watch :messenger_neutral:
 
Could you please stop it.... I read this thread to be informed, not to see you insulting anyone who you suspect might be even a bit critical of this war and god forbid Trump.

No, I don't think I will, fascist.

Idc who you support or criticize LOL, you don't know me at all. I point out hypocrisy and terrorist simps though 100%.
 
Isn't the bombing of desalination plants a war crime just like the bombing of energy infrastructure in Ukraine by the russians?

This is what I don't get. You bomb a country in the hopes that people revolt and tople the government but then you go and bomb this peoples life support.
The theory is that you drive a wedge between the people and the government. Some people will get angry at the enemy military for disrupting services but others will get angry at the government or military for not defending them. It is much easier to conduct psychological warfare against the people than against institutions because they are mentally weak and react more emotionally. Overall this makes any conflict more expensive and unsustainable politically as you not only have increased cost of defending all sorts of non military targets but you have to deal with the resentment of your people. It is not about toppling a government but overloading it with problems. In the early days of the latest Ukraine offensive the Russians did try to "regime change" but they made a huge mistake of badly estimating how much political support they had compared to the Ukrainian government. Their intelligence built a bullshit story of how much people were pining to be liberated based on a few select voices from inside the country. Naturally that could never happen to real country like USA, just idiots in Russia.
 
Isn't the bombing of desalination plants a war crime just like the bombing of energy infrastructure in Ukraine by the russians?

This is what I don't get. You bomb a country in the hopes that people revolt and tople the government but then you go and bomb this peoples life support.
Why would anyone be worried about war crimes with this WH? They are mere suggestions.
 
If you think that people who had to live under the regime where thousands of protesters were killed, women are beaten to death for not wearing hijab and the political repression or violence will somehow start loving the regime - you are not living in really. People hate the regime, they want it to end, they want to stop being afraid of being killed over the protests, they want to stop the regime hiding soldiers and equipment at schools to use kids as meat shields. Iran had famines, trouble with water, 2m:1 current collapse, internet blackouts, energy issues etc. etc. Nobody expects it to end "easily" or "bloodlessly". People want ayatollah's regime and IRGC to crash and burn.

Too many people are too used to writing "strong messages" and patting each other backs. But that's not how the change is done.
 
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If you think that people who had to live under the regime where thousands of protesters were killed, women are beaten to death for not wearing hijab and the political repression or violence will somehow start loving the regime - you are not living in really. People hate the regime, they want it to end, they want to stop being afraid of being killed over the protests, they want to stop the regime hiding soldiers and equipment at schools to use kids as meat shields. Iran had famines, trouble with water, 2m:1 current collapse, internet blackouts, energy issues etc. etc. Nobody expects it to end "easily" or "bloodlessly". People want ayatollah's regime and IRGC to crash and burn.
"We'll be greeted as liberators! Flowers thrown by cheering crowds!"

Maybe look at what happened when Iraq invaded and the country rallied around the flag, even the F-14 pilots that were thrown in jail.
 



These US government morons are going to send the entire Middle East back to the stone age with their stupidity, including their puppetmaster Israel. If desalinization plants become a legit target the Gulf states are simple done which will have disastrous chain reactions to the world economy. Their idiocy would be hilarious if the stakes weren't so high
 
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