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Monitoring the situation in Iran

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Stitch said:
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Modern day Regina George!



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StueyDuck said:
I mean its easier just to say you prefer radical Islam over trump 🤷‍♂️.

Like I said earlier im not wasting my time with a loser defending radical Islam.

I just hope its not a sister or daughter that gets raped in a grooming gang, an uncle or cousin beheaded because he criticized Islam, your Jewish friend stabbed or shot at their place of worship. Because unlike you I dont want these things happening in the world
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As T Three said earlier:

So you're one of those people?
 
Hypereides said:
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Sitting here from Denmark and reading these kind of views, coming from some American users about how they perceive the north and entertaining the idea of conquest, is certainly something. What in the world is going on.
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Unfortunately this part of this country has always been there. Those folks who, after gaining freedom from the colonialist British immediately thought "ya know. Maybe they had a point lol ".

Its always been here. But people weren't always this bold about it. But I believe in the real america, the one that doesnt subverting freedom for false power but realizes freedom IS power. And respect is earned by reason, not by threats.
 
Toons said:
How the tables turn:
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All the people he named were useful tools for him not too long ago, lol.

Tucker spoke at the 2024 RNC. Trump himself appeared on Alex Jones's show in 2016.

I have no sympathy or empathy for any of them. Literally the godzilla 'let them fight .gif' in action here.
 
adamsapple said:
have no sympathy or empathy for any of them.
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Word. I agree with Trump when he throws shots their way, but I also catch myself agreeing with them when they fire back at him. ¯\(ツ)/¯ They've all played a roll in turning patriotism into "my way or the highway," and honestly, fuck that mindset no matter which American it comes from.
 
Idleyes said:
Word. I agree with Trump when he throws shots their way, but I also catch myself agreeing with them when they fire back at him. ¯\(ツ)/¯ They've all played a roll in turning patriotism into "my way or the highway," and honestly, fuck that mindset no matter which American it comes from.
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All politics are like that now, the internet has ruined politics, going back and seeing how politicians talked to each other in the 80s or 90s barely seems real. Now they sit on twitter and talk shit to each other.
 
Gamerfan81 said:
In diplomacy and geopoltiics, the rule of thumb is that when a head of state says something, it is considered to be policy until it is walked back or contradicted. Nation-states won't see it as shit talking when comments are made about a country's sovereignty. Geopolitics runs on effect. What others believe you might do matters as much as what you plan to do.

So the Greenland incident was bizarre in that it accomplished nothing but damage the alliance. And contrary to belief it is mutually beneficial for European countries and the U.S. These alliances are not some charity as Trump and his base believes.
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Some of trumps recent actions make sense if you think hes trying to end nato, but in a weaselly way. Ending nato is something all north atlantics should consider.
 
Toons said:
Lmfao.

There is going to be an *amazing* tv show about this era one day. Theres enough content to run for a decade.
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unless it's done 40 years from now, it will be too politically charged to watch. But when it can be made with irony and detachment, it will be golden.
 
adamsapple said:
You're either missing the point or conflating two different things. Article 5 COMPELS other NATO members to be involved and that is for a member that is under attack or threat of attack.
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I'm not missing anything. Is the situation you describe the ONLY situation in which NATO takes military action -as some were suggesting earlier in the thread- or is it not?

adamsapple said:
NATO's involvement, or lack thereof, in Iran is not the same as their involvement in Libya or Bosnia where they were formally requested by the U.N to do so.
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What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? Are you arguing that NATO's military involvement to prevent genocide or stop a civil war were 'defensive' military operations because of the UN request, but that if the exact same military actions had been taken by NATO with the same motivations but without a UN request, they would then become 'offensive' military operations?
 
calico said:
If we are to consider any military action seeking to defend any party as being a defensive action -even when this entails attacking a party which has not attacked you / a NATO member first- then the 'but NATO is a defensive alliance' comments become meaningless. The US action in Iran could be described as a defensive action by this standard and NATO joining it would therefore also be defensive.

This is not what people mean when they state that 'NATO is a defensive alliance'. The 'defensive' in that statement is specifically meaning 'defensive in response to attacks upon NATO members', ie. they are saying Iran has nothing to do with NATO because Iran did not attack a NATO member first. The Bosnia and Libya examples show this is actually not a prerequisite for NATO military action historically, and that the majority of times NATO has taken military action it has not been preceded by an attack on a NATO member.
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You are confusing NATO and NATO members. Libya was French attack and US joined. It wasnt NATO war.

Bosna was some of nato members responding to UN peacekeeping mission.

There was a proposition in 80s to change NATO from defensive pact toward ability to attack but resolution failed, i thing netherlands sunk it.

NATO countries have 0 obligation to help member state if he chooses to start a war like in case of us starting war with Iran.

Israel also is not part of NATO
 
Tams said:
He's not wrong about other people in that though.

Or do you think the First Lady of France is a man?
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I honestly don't care about people like Tucker Clarkson or Candace Owens or what they believe. They're insignificant.

That's the point. Why is Trump bothered by what they say? Posting a huge rant against a few of his critics comes across as very unhinged. Certainly not the behaviour expected from a strong leader.
 
IDKFA said:
I honestly don't care about people like Tucker Clarkson or Candace Owens or what they believe. They're insignificant.

That's the point. Why is Trump bothered by what they say? Posting a huge rant against a few of his critics comes across as very unhinged. Certainly not the behaviour expected from a strong leader.
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If theres one thing the other side loves to do. Its find you guilty by association...

I also never watched or cared what those people said, but those were people I never use to see who are now popping up everywhere on my feeds and saying just the craziest insane shit, ive seen Candace Owen's now in like 3 clips going on crazy anti Semitic rants and creating some conspiracy that like trump killed kirk and all sorts.

Trump is not tactful, but removing your association from nutters is not a bad move.

The dems are doing that with Hasan right now, CNN did basically was trump just did but for Hasan
 
Do you think Trumper will have to give the FIFA Peace Prize back? I'm no scholar, but the host country threatening to end the civilisation of another participant is a bit saucy!
 
ADiTAR said:
That's such BS. If anything BB is Trump's bitch, as he slowed down the attacks on Lebanon which he shouldn't have.
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Dude whole thing about attacking Iran has no meaningful purpose from US perspective.

Moreover we know for a facr that Israel attacked Iran first without waiting for US which forced Iranians to respond.

Most of the bases in middle east were caught with pants down due to this.

Trump 100% is compromised and 100% most of us congress because everyone is going along with it.

Aipac money sure as hell seems like a crack
 
pepeno said:
Dude whole thing about attacking Iran has no meaningful purpose from US perspective.

Moreover we know for a facr that Israel attacked Iran first without waiting for US which forced Iranians to respond.

Most of the bases in middle east were caught with pants down due to this.

Trump 100% is compromised and 100% most of us congress because everyone is going along with it.

Aipac money sure as hell seems like a crack
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Get off the drugs and TikTok hunny.

BB asked Trump not to attack in January, so they can get their shit together. They then cleared bases, fortified protections across the ME states, and then went on to attack together.

If you're talking about what happened last year, Israel did the attack and Iran only retaliated towards Israel and one time for show on a US base.

AIPAC is not the biggest lobby in the US, you should check who that is and then maybe stfu.
 
pepeno said:
Most of the bases in middle east were caught with pants down due to this.
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No, that's because just as they did in the Strait, the Americans underestimated the danger posed by drones.

pepeno said:
Trump 100% is compromised and 100% most of us congress because everyone is going along with it.
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If that were the case, it would have happened during Trump's first term, because a second term seemed unlikely. You'd have to be a complete idiot to believe in this conspiracy theory now.
 
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Critical Hit said:
If that were the case, it would have happened during Trump's first term, because a second term seemed unlikely. You'd have to be a complete idiot to believe in this conspiracy theory now.
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Yes Trump knowingly walking into war he can't win, tank his support completely after years of no more war claims, in a war from which US literally gets nothing is actually a masterplan all along.

Dude who can listen to the crowd well is now opposing it because...
 
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