Awesome things can be done with the precision of a stylus in games and applications. They'd be incredibly stupid not to release awesome games and applications on the Wii U.
Gearbox: Nintendo has listened to Wii U feedback, controller specs will be awesome
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No, they're just imprecise compared to resistive and a stylus.
Yeah, that's not exaggerated or insulting AT ALL.
-Pyromaniac-
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I think capacitive is a bit of a pipe dream. I think stylus+resistive is in for good. By specs he probably just means the inclusion of sticks instead of shitty sliders, real analog triggers instead of those shitty buttons, etc...
I know many people drool over this possibility, but what if the game sucks? I wouldn't get my hopes too high, after what I've seen from the game...
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EatinOlives
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It's not what we subjectively think it's better and what's a "side benefit", it's what the market in general thinks about when they think "touchscreen". They expect running your finger across it and using pinch-to-zoom. Not having these is inherently counterintuitive and the average consumer will think "single touch? Ew" before thinking "stylus control is more precise" (if they even end up thinking the latter at all).
Remember who they're also selling this to: the casual crowd with ample experience with smartphones/tablets. Single-touch screens is generally seen as outdated in the casual tech market that Nintendo wants to sell this to.
But the Wii mote is (much) better than both for FPSes.
How embarrassing would it be for the Wii U to come with a stylus? It was bad enough on 3DS, but their freakin' console? Come on. "But but...you can use your fingers!" Yeah, in frustration.
Go go capacitive. Nintendo, do the right thing. We are counting on you.
nincompoop
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There's absolutely no way something like Canvas Curse or Pictobits would ever work without a stylus. It's true that capacitive has some advantages over resistive, but Nintendo's been making games which rely on resistive's strengths for 8 years, and if they switch to capacitive they'd be throwing all of that experience out the window.
ClovingWestbrook
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Except he is correct in a way. If Nintendo would continue listening to its fans, they would still be selling decade old hardware. We're talking about the same people who defend Nintendo releasing the Wii hardware. The same fans who defend Nintendo not doing all they can to help third parties. The same fans who basically say 'Nintendo, fuck the third parties'. Nintendo understands that listening to these fans isn't going to help them next gen which is why they're trying to listen to the developers and publishers. Nintendo fanboys, like any fanboy, is a group that should be ignored at all costs when it comes to business.
The Wii U pad does include a stylus, after all.
This would all be true if Nintendo was in the same position as Sony.
EatinOlives
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You really think Nintendo's in the (fantastic) position that it's in because it listened to its fans?
ClovingWestbrook
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Except Nintendo has come out and said they need third parties to help make the Wii U a success. That their biggest failure with the Wii was not getting third party support to help lengthen the life of the system. To do so they needed to release a more modern piece of hardware. Guarantee if Nintendo released a Wii U that WAS not as powerful as the 360 that you'd have the Nintendo fanboys defending such a move. No different than people trying to defend Sony releasing a console at $600. Fanboys will be fanboys.
Since when does Nintendo listen to their fans? If they were we'd have a new Zelda, a new Mario, a new Metroid etc, every year.
Last time I remember them listening to us was when they announced folders for the 3DS.
EDIT: Wait, are you blaming the fans for the poor third-party support on Nintendo platforms?
No seriously dude, this isn't a Nintendo fanboy thing. Resistive is better for games.
BlazingDarkness
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That writing is pretty terrible, did they really need to repeat themselves?
I look forward to seeing what the Wii U will offer in the next few days
I look forward to seeing what the Wii U will offer in the next few days
Kid Icarus, Yoshi Touch & go, Kirby Canvas Curse, Nintendogs, Ouendan, etc. are prime examples you can build games with new flavors around a stylus. Pinch to zoom is nice, but when it comes to games, one technology has more proven potential than the other, and it's not multitouch.
ClovingWestbrook
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I am blaming the fanboys for defending Nintedo's move of releasing hardware that caused the Wii to die the way it has. Nintendo's hardcore fanbase like any hardcore fanbase defends them at all cost and my point is Nintendo shouldn't be taking advice nor listening to these individuals.
maquiladora
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2009 New Super Mario Bros. Wii
2010 Super Mario Galaxy 2
2011 Super Mario 3D Land
2012 New Super Mario Bros 2
Oh? Well that's a disappointment, but I guess it makes sense when all you need is sense something pressing against a screen rather than a specific signal or whatever.
And they haven't except maybe in lower cases like 3DS folders or bringing out the Operation Rainfall games, and that's simply providing an existing product that there is demand for rather than creative/design calls.
Lord_Byron28
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It's equally retarded to think every Nintendo fan thinks the same way. There are plenty of Nintendo fans here that complained about Wii's power, that wanted Nintendo to be more involved with 3rd parties, that expected more things out of them, etc. To generalize and depict every fan as the same way is ridiculous. Even some of the big Nintendo fanboys on this board all have wildly different opinions about what Nintendo should do. You sit there and say Nintendo fanboys agree with everything but I believe they are the first people in other threads hoping for better online, better graphics, and better third party support from Nintendo based on my experience.
Listening to fans is important but it shouldn't be their only source of feedback as with any company/business. Anyone could tell you that.
nincompoop
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Umm... you realize that the Wii was a massive success that made the company billions of dollars, right?
Their biggest failure with n64 and gcn was 3rd party support as well and the decisions that caused that failure had nothing to do with the fans.
No, I'm saying that Nintendo fans have hardly anything to do with the decisions the company makes so I'm not sure why he's even talking about them.
ClovingWestbrook
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Which is why I said the hardcore Nintendo fanbase. I don't see them any differently than Sony's or Microsoft's group.
nckillthegrimace
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If Nintendo listened to its fans, the Wii U would be called the Super Nintendo 2, be obscenely powerful, and the launch lineup would consist of ultra-niche games that a grand total of 40 people would buy. The company would lose all of its money chasing an extremely fickle minority and become insolvent.
Hey, don't mock my fantasies ={
ClovingWestbrook
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I am talking about them because BY2K responded to a post regarding these individuals and said it was an exaggeration and insulting. I disagree to both points. The poster was describing the individuals who defend Nintendo at all costs.
Thunder Monkey
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I come down on the side of Capacitive, but don't sugarcoat it. If he'd levied that against any other fanbase you'd be more than a little peeved.
Now instead of insulting one another, why don't we try to discuss the screens since that seems to be the arguing point of the day?
Resistive touchscreens do have an edge over Capacitive, but from what I know it's only by pixels. An issue with the DS and 3DS, but not so much the DRC.
Second reason? I don't think it's smart to put that much separation between thought and input. In the heat of battle, do you really want to reach for your stylus on the off-chance a developer has piss-poor implementation? Generally I don't see the need for the stylus at all, unless they are going full Mario Paint again.
In which case... Capacitive touchscreens can use styli too.
You gain more functionality by going Capacitive than you lose.
That's no reason to call them retards or cavemen, just saying.
Lord_Byron28
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No you didn't. You said that Loosus was correct in calling Nintendo fans slightly retarded.
I wouldn't say ultra niche but I bet had Nintendo listened to their fans in regards to Wii we would've had a system fairly identical to the 360/PS3.
JoshuaJSlone
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I'm just assuming he's talking about things we mostly already know. Sticks, clickable, analog shoulders, start/select buttons that can be reached.
If it's a game that even has the heat of battle, I don't imagine they'll do much that will go beyond simple presses or drags that can work fine styluslessly.Thunder Monkey said:
Lesser primates have nails too I believe. Styli aren't completely necessary.
ClovingWestbrook
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I actually wouldn't be peeved. I have said numerous times in this very thread that whether its a Nintendo fanboy or Sony fanboy, the issue is the same.
Also, I agree. Personally, I despise the use of styli. It just feels... awkward. Even with my 3DS, I try to use the stylus as little as possible. Even if I have to use my fingers a few times, I much prefer it over trying with the stylus. I also feel that if Nintendo is trying to get the casual to jump on board, the stylus should be used as little as possible. These are individuals who have been raised on the iPhones, iPads, and other touch devices.
Phoenician_Viking
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The upgraded controller must have multi touch OLED screen
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$599 
ClovingWestbrook
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Read the rest of my posts on the last page or two. You will see that I don't differentiate. Had he referred to any other group of fanboys with such language, I would feel the same.
Criminal Upper
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Seems like Gearbox doesn't think this big ol' scary Wii U is too complex.
Lord_Byron28
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Yeah, I think Resistive works well with the 3DS because for a lot of games there is a level of precision needed. However, with the Wii U capacitive would make more sense since it will be strokes on a screen translating to the television.
However, I'm more than sure Nintendo went the Resistive/stylus route with the Wii U.
ClovingWestbrook
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And I'd agree if they referred to Sony and Microsoft fanboys the same. No backpedaling necessary =D
Correct me if I'm wrong, but calling ANYONE a retard is not a nice thing to do.
Cheesecakebobby
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I hear this a lot, but as much as I try, I can never get into it as much as I can with a regular 360 pad
Is there a trick to it? Actually might be better not knowing what I am missing if I am gonna be stuck with U-pad controls.
Cygnus X-1
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This Nintendo Direct is going to be awesome. I can feel it.
maquiladora
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