PROMETHEUS UNMARKED SPOILER THREAD!
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SCULLIBUNDO
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Alternate prologue.
He died for us.
He died for us.
ehhh I just saw the movie and it was a ton of fun, plot holes and all, though I really don't like reading too much into these films partly because it was so goddamn heavy handed as is. like, what more is there to read into it? jesus was a fucking alien? oh and its damon lindelof so you know there's never going to be any answers cause he makes that shit up on the fly, and frankly, I don't want answers since they're almost always shit. just like how I didn't want answers for lost!
having said that, did idris elba and charlize theron have sex? that was really unclear and it's been bugging me for a while since i've gotten out of the cinema :lol. and the ending was fucking ridiculous. just let shaw die, ffs.
having said that, did idris elba and charlize theron have sex? that was really unclear and it's been bugging me for a while since i've gotten out of the cinema :lol. and the ending was fucking ridiculous. just let shaw die, ffs.
I'm guessing it's just that they're two of the biggest movies to have come out recently, and probably the two most likely to be watched by people who'd come to forums like this.
Although, I don't think the fan reactions to the two are wholly unpredictable. It seems to have been widely agreed upon that Ridley Scott has been slipping, whereas Joss Whedon still commands a fiercely loyal following. Throw him on a comic book movie, and it was sure that at worst his most serious fans would love it and it'd perform well on property alone.
David Incorporated Esq.
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As a person who has had abdominal surgery, the entire second half of the movie is fucked.
Just straight fucked.
Just straight fucked.
There's a much easier way to interpret things..
For a movie named Prometheus, there's not a lot of literal Prometheus stuff.. sure David steals the goo and slips it to the humans, but that doesn't quite match up with the myth.
Unless you look at the Engineer from the beginning of the film. He was in a round ship (sure it could be 2000 years old to explain the difference in ships) which could suggest a split in the Engineers.
Said Engineer steals from the gods and gives it to "humankind" and has to suffer for doing so.
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Is such a thing even possible?
Why yes it George Lucas.
That scene should have happened before Holloway got sick, not after.
edit: Looking at the concept art, with the xenomorph literally walking outside. Let me guess... the thing will get in a space ship and chase Shaw.
Net_Wrecker
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There would probably be a "2001 Blinded Me" thread.
ACID TRIP STARGATE SCENE IN 3D MY EYES
SCULLIBUNDO
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The ship at the start was E.T's. The captain of the ship marooned the Engineer on LV226 because he was unruly and a danger to those on board.
especially given kubrick was notorious for his continuity errors. I can't even imagine the outrage over something like the shining, which betrayed the book and had all kinds of little errors strewn throughout the movie, but since it's kubrick (who, I should preface, is fucking awesome) we can look back thirty years later and see that it really doesn't matter all that much.
that's the shitty thing about the hyper reactions to media these days - prometheus wasn't a classic or anything, but it's hard to analyze a film when every little piece of the film is going under the microscope. missing the forest for the trees, and all that.
Eh, he was the only person on the ship to have seen the video feeds from the other two guys finding the bodies piled up at the door. He saw everything that was going on, including entering on his own later. The film has gaps but they clearly showed him putting the pieces together before that scene (though it was clearly there for the benefit of those who hadn't stitched it together).
SCULLIBUNDO
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I think the problem is that there was no real trial and error to gain information. It was the equivalent of 90s sitcom keyboard-tapping.
Not sure if you are being sarcastic (never know with you anymore) but I think general consensus is the Engineer in the beginning was on Earth and seeded the planet, creating life.
SCULLIBUNDO
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You didn't know if I was being sarcastic when I described the opening prologue as Spielberg's kid-friendly alien species marooning a god-like species on a planet for some Star Trek 09 conflict?
Joe Shlabotnik
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This is completely impossible to say because 2001 came out in a completely different time period, a completely different film culture, and a completely different film industry. We're living in a movie and science fiction culture that has been profoundly influenced by 2001 for decades. I assume you're half-suggesting that Prometheus could be initially misunderstood like 2001 or Scott's own Blade Runner. It's possible. But then, Scott has also made plenty of films that people have never given a shit about, then or now. It's just guessing for no reason.
The forest is highly problematic too.
2001 is fairly straightforward. There's no bullshit mythology. There aren't a dozen half-assed themes and metaphors floating around. There aren't characters acting like idiots.
It would be polarizing, but for basically the same reasons it's polarizing now.
Based on the contamination protocol she enacted on the chamber after getting out, she probably thought it had been killed or frozen or neutralized in some way.
I haven't read the whole thread, but here's what I got out of the movie.
The engineers' weapons are xenomorphs. The black chemical infects beings with similar DNA to the engineers and causes them to birth xenomorphs. They created humans to breed xenomorphs, but their own weapon infected them and they never got to enact the plan.
This obviously begs the question: if this was just a military outpost, then where are the other engineers? Did they not notice one of their bases was compromised? Did they just scrap the project? Someone trip over a cord and delete all the files about Earth?
My audience cheered at the xenomorph ending.
The engineers' weapons are xenomorphs. The black chemical infects beings with similar DNA to the engineers and causes them to birth xenomorphs. They created humans to breed xenomorphs, but their own weapon infected them and they never got to enact the plan.
This obviously begs the question: if this was just a military outpost, then where are the other engineers? Did they not notice one of their bases was compromised? Did they just scrap the project? Someone trip over a cord and delete all the files about Earth?
My audience cheered at the xenomorph ending.
oh my god that is amazing.
dehydratedbabies
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That's delightful.
Genesis Knight
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Just saw it. I'm a big Alien fan, and I knew that this wasn't going to be an "alien" movie strictly speaking, but I was disappointed. Huge portions made no sense when taken by itself, and it looks like the internet is on fire with differing opinions that are equally worthless (no offense).
Damn it, I didn't think this was the gif you were talking about. I saw it somewhere else, and didn't think much of it.
Now: LOL
Evolution from single cell organisms took, what, several million years? I guess that's what pisses me off the most with the whole film.
The super intelligent, incredibly strong, interstellar traveling species (that somehow has the same DNA as us yet isn't a homosapien) plans out creating a lesser form of themselves banking on natural selection (which, ya know, wouldn't be a good plan at all) on a several light years a way planet only to plan to murder them all by infecting them with a virus thing to turn them into monsters.... or something like that?
The movie didn't answer a single question that it began with, created more, and wasn't consistent. Terrible plot. Pretty movie but poorly planned.
tycoonheart
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They created humans to breed Xenomorphs?
Lol, so their master plan was to wait millions of years after they 'seeded' earth just so they could breed Xenomorphs?
Lol, so their master plan was to wait millions of years after they 'seeded' earth just so they could breed Xenomorphs?
The difference being that, while Kubrick had a lot of continuity and logical errors in his films, he still had that ability to set up an incredible atmosphere. This movie is lifeless. Events happen without any impact. People are infected, die, sacrifice themselves, and I didn't feel a damn thing.
"To create you must destroy first" Perhaps they just we're using us as breeding pods for the Xeno's. David's quotes seem to lend themselves to a lot of the different theories. I suppose it was a two birds with one stone deal, kill the humans off and breed a superior organism.
But if [insert widely-respected if controversial film here] had come out today, would our reactions be any different?!
U mad?
Just fyi, the guy in charge of the project to map the human genome is a "full blown Christian".
Anyway, the point is that evolution does not answer nor does it even attempt to answer the question of how life began.
Evolution *presupposes* a self replicating cell with all the complexity of a computer. The movie raises interesting questions about how this all started, hence Shaw's rhetorical question "Who made them?", "them" being the Engineers.
The movie had so many problems but it does succeed in bringing big philosophical questions to the masses, which I like.
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http://www.slashfilm.com/interview-...-paradise-prometheus-plans-prometheus-sequel/
edit: Pretty clear the aliens did not plan to use humans to breed xenomorphs. They decided to change mankind's course after they didn't go in the direction they had hoped.
edit: Pretty clear the aliens did not plan to use humans to breed xenomorphs. They decided to change mankind's course after they didn't go in the direction they had hoped.
A+ post
Joe Shlabotnik
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It's too bad it won't get a Director's Cut. But then, what does?
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Also about the engineers (I explained this in detail before but whatever):
http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232
It's in that interview. It's basically just showing how their DNA can be used to create life. Symbolic self-sacrifice to create life, etc. It's not on Earth.
http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232
It's in that interview. It's basically just showing how their DNA can be used to create life. Symbolic self-sacrifice to create life, etc. It's not on Earth.
FullMetalx
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It does make sense. I mean we don't know anything about these engineers yet. For all we know their society is full of war and they want to exploit biological weapons like we did in our past. Also, as seen in the original movies, humans really thought the Alien creatures to be "beautiful" and really wanted to study everything about it. They brought Ripley back to life in order to help breed one. Since these engineers have the same genetic makeup as humans, we can assume they probably think similarly as humans as well and wanted to really study the alien creatures. And just like in the original movies, their curiosity ended up killing a lot of them.
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They are not growing humans to turn them into Xenomorphs. That much is clear. They created humans, THEN CHANGED THEIR MINDS. Even the movie says it clearly, and Scott confirms that yes this is the premise: they changed their minds. Shaw wants to know why, is going to find out.
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