I took up playing wodwind instruments because of this movie. True story. Posting this from my oboe.
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I took up playing wodwind instruments because of this movie. True story. Posting this from my oboe.
It changed his life forever.
Yes that is exactly what she did.
Aquavelvaman
Banned
That last frame is so sexual its almost tender
With Weyland dead he is now free in the inevitable sequel.
Holloway had "personality." And he fucking sucked.
Speedymanic
Banned
Loved this sequence.
Looks smaller here, should have stayed this size.
And maybe it's just me, but the engineer looks much bigger here than he did in the actual scene/on screen.
Bluemercury
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Loved this sequence.
THa'ts concept art???it looks a bit different from what a i remember, and the facehuuger thing looks more facehuggerish than what i saw at the movie....
Speedymanic
Banned
It's from the artbook, so it's concept art/their idea of how the scene was to play out.
It looks so much better here, more than a little disappointed they decided to change both the look and size of the shawhugger.
we.are.the.armada
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No prob - other sites are confirming that it was the Xenomorph scream so I guess we have that to go on and probably safe to assume that a Xenomorph outbreak did kill the SJs on LV223. But, where did they go?
Just saw it a second time. Things that stood out to me that I hadn't seen mentioned here last time I checked:
There's not a lot of consistency with scale. First case being the head of the engineer. The thing was massive on the examination table however could fit in a bag on Elizabeth's lap when coming back to the ship. What?
Second was frustrating. Elizabeth is lying beneath the engineer ship after it has crashed (almost having been crushed) when her suit says 'air supply 2 minutes'. We then see her walking towards the life boat just as her oxygen is depleting (30 seconds left). 1 minute 30 second journey.
HOWEVER: after escaping the life boat battle she has to get on one of the ATV vehicles to drive what is revealed to be a large journey from the life boat back to the crashed ship. Waaay more than 1 minute and 30 seconds long on foot. Frustrating.
Secondly was the absolute idiocy of whoever was driving the armoured vehicle. As the storm was approaching the crew at the exploration site had to head back. The majority of the crew had used the armoured vehicle to get to the site, and the remaining few used the 1 person (2 when using the storage basket) ATV's to get there.
This means that whoever the fuck was driving the armoured vehicle knew that they didn't have the same amount of crew they took to the site, leaving an disproportionate amount of transports to personnel for the rest of the crew to get back, in the event they all made it to the surface in time. Fucking stupid carelessness.
I didn't mind the film upon first viewing, but the second time got me down big time
This movie is like a gift that keeps on giving - fuck, I don't understand these "best, handpicked team members" can be so incompetent.
The captain and his goons are morons that can't guide mohawk and hoodie back to the ship with a huge 3D map that can triangulate their position and pinpoint a route to the vehicles. Mmmkay.
So mohawk is a zombie, they couldn't track his suit and his visor doesn't turn on until he's at the bay door and they don't have an external camera to see that his body is bent like a pretzel. Yeah, open the door and let him in, he's our comrade.
The inflation of the future must be so bad that a trillion dollars (or credits?) is only worth about $100,000 because Weyland got his money's worth on these dumbasses.
The Elite
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I wonder if Ridley knows there is a video game character named after him. Not sure who Kraid is supposed to be though.
My theory : Ripley is Samus and Shaw ends up becoming Mother Brain.
Maybe it managed to chase one Engineer onto another ship as he took off, eventually crashing that ship onto LV-456?
Didn't the engineer sitting in the chair thing in Alien have evidence of a chest buster? If so, that supports your assumption
My theory is that originally Weyland was supposed to have had a more central role and the Lawrence stuff is meant to connect the two characters. Weyland quotes T.E. Lawrence in the viral TED talk video.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
I wish the colors matched that of the concept art, then the actual film, in that sequence.
Speedymanic
Banned
Good theory.
To add to it, I think the engineer that escaped onto another ship was a guard of some kind. You see two of them when David first finds the map room, they look much bigger than the engineer that's in stasis or the bodies that are around the facility.
Need some pics of that though, but it's a blink and you'll miss it scene so that will have to wait until the BR.
So..... saw this last night. Honestly, I thought it was disappointing after I saw it, but now that it's had time to sink in I think it's pretty terrible. Every single bit of the story was cliche: religion v. science, science gone amok, humans aren't from earth, "science" v. corporatism, the premise of a "ragtag group of scientists, corporate lackeys, sailors and opportunists go on a secret expedition and don't know the details until they get there", etc. Additionally, the characters were trite, over acted, and cliche themselves. David was the only interesting character in the entire movie and he was wasted. Also, why didn't they just hire an elderly person for the old man? The makeup job was fake as hell. He looked like he had a giant rubber mask on him. Also, was I the only person who was waiting for hipster douche Will to get infected an die?
Now onto the "science". First, it makes no sense that humanity has the technology to go light years into space, but there's still poverty on earth. Second, it makes no sense that humanity has the technology to go light years into space, has artificial gravity, but a simple surgical machine is state-of-the-art.
Second, humans need to get over themselves. We're monkeys lets just deal with it. We didn't come from outer space and there's nothing particularly special about ourselves. The reason we have the cognitive abilities we do is because of a pedomorphisis - basically our skulls maintain the round shape into adulthood that we have as juveniles. This is into contrast to Chimpanzees, Bonobos and Gorillas whose skulls flatten out as they move into their adult forms. Those cognitive abilities may seem great in comparison to other vertebrates, but bacteria has us absolutely dominated when it comes to reproductive capability and survivability.
Furthermore, the idea of something matching "100%" is silly. Unless you have an identical twin there isn't even 100% homology between two humans. Also, so even if there is some extraterrestrial organism that has 100% homology then what does that say about the fact that humans share 98% homology with chimpanzees and 40% with chickens (I think that number is right, correct if wrong)? Humans and chimpanzees are so similar because of convergent evolution? That doesn't seem to make sense because convergent evolution just means that thing look similar because of similar environmental constraints - it doesn't mean that their genomes become so similar. Also, it seems unlikely that humans could share "100%" homology with organisms that look so different anyway. Those aliens were far bigger than is common in humans. Additionally, they are a phenotype that is unobserved in humans. Because phenotype is directly related to genotype, and because on average the phenotypes of the two populations are so different then there must be genetic differences between the two populations. So it would really be impossible for the genotypes to have 100% homology - there must be differences in genes that cause the differences. it's unreasonable that it's simply alleles that are causing the differences.
Third, none of those people are "scientists". Scientists use the scientific method to formulate falsifiable hypotheses. Science doesn't look to "prove" things. And it certainly doesn't use poor deductive reasoning, based on ancient wall paintings. Science is almost never portrayed reasonably in films. Prometheus is no exception. In fact, I'd say it's the worst flaunting of bad fake science by a major film since Jurassic Park.
Visually, it was pretty nice.... except for the bad CGi....
TLDR
Cliche story, reliance on tired tropes, bad fake science, and sucky characters.
Now onto the "science". First, it makes no sense that humanity has the technology to go light years into space, but there's still poverty on earth. Second, it makes no sense that humanity has the technology to go light years into space, has artificial gravity, but a simple surgical machine is state-of-the-art.
Second, humans need to get over themselves. We're monkeys lets just deal with it. We didn't come from outer space and there's nothing particularly special about ourselves. The reason we have the cognitive abilities we do is because of a pedomorphisis - basically our skulls maintain the round shape into adulthood that we have as juveniles. This is into contrast to Chimpanzees, Bonobos and Gorillas whose skulls flatten out as they move into their adult forms. Those cognitive abilities may seem great in comparison to other vertebrates, but bacteria has us absolutely dominated when it comes to reproductive capability and survivability.
Furthermore, the idea of something matching "100%" is silly. Unless you have an identical twin there isn't even 100% homology between two humans. Also, so even if there is some extraterrestrial organism that has 100% homology then what does that say about the fact that humans share 98% homology with chimpanzees and 40% with chickens (I think that number is right, correct if wrong)? Humans and chimpanzees are so similar because of convergent evolution? That doesn't seem to make sense because convergent evolution just means that thing look similar because of similar environmental constraints - it doesn't mean that their genomes become so similar. Also, it seems unlikely that humans could share "100%" homology with organisms that look so different anyway. Those aliens were far bigger than is common in humans. Additionally, they are a phenotype that is unobserved in humans. Because phenotype is directly related to genotype, and because on average the phenotypes of the two populations are so different then there must be genetic differences between the two populations. So it would really be impossible for the genotypes to have 100% homology - there must be differences in genes that cause the differences. it's unreasonable that it's simply alleles that are causing the differences.
Third, none of those people are "scientists". Scientists use the scientific method to formulate falsifiable hypotheses. Science doesn't look to "prove" things. And it certainly doesn't use poor deductive reasoning, based on ancient wall paintings. Science is almost never portrayed reasonably in films. Prometheus is no exception. In fact, I'd say it's the worst flaunting of bad fake science by a major film since Jurassic Park.
Visually, it was pretty nice.... except for the bad CGi....
TLDR
Cliche story, reliance on tired tropes, bad fake science, and sucky characters.
Yes, he was accessing the ship/base recordings.
Which is also a great movie. It sounds like you know what you are talking about, but it also sounds like you would get more enjoyment out of a science journal than a movie ment for entertainment.
I don't know much science besides high school. Even I thought it was whacko when the dude removed his helmet. Then I remembered they scanned the air for microbes, and then I remembered that Holloway was pretty much a religious zealot along with his GF. He had long ago stopped being a scientist and became more like Ahab chasing the white whale. A real scientist/archeologist would of been ecstatic just to find a clay pot from an alien race, he was disappointed it was just another tomb.
Quick question, what are you referring to? Is there a specific scene (or scenes)?
Anything with non-humans in it, especially the fight scene between the Engineer and the squid. It was too uncanny. The overlays looked good though.
we.are.the.armada
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This. Ridley and his writer are sheltered and so detached from reality that it hurts.
Hey what did you think about that squid baby that breaks pretty much every bit of thermodynamic law?
This could be a possibility since in Ridley's fiction for Alien, eggs are metamorphosed from other lifeforms (ie. humans) and thus no need for a queen to create eggs; however, Ridley already spoke to the lore of that original crash that happened thousands of years ago IIRC. Also, the eggs are shot in nice neat rows which implies facility/precision of some sort. Maybe the sequel has time travel, it can't get anymore preposterous, right?
Bluemercury
Member
yes that things has the two air sacks like the facehugger we all know, in the movie you dont see this.
it was bad specifically because it was uncanny to my eye. I could tell it was CGi, and being able to tell bothered me.
I wondered how it was possible that its cells could divide so fast (faster than bacteria), could differentiate so fast, and all without a food source.
Haha, really? You know how humanity works right? We've got so much technology now and there's still poverty. It's 2012, we should have fixed it by now.
Anyway, science fiction tends to float towards a dystopian/utopian view of the future for effect.
If space travel is based more on corporate interests than government control, I would absolutely beleive that humanity has the technology to go light years in space, but still suffer poverty on earth. And it is always (to me) heavily implied that corporate control over space travel is pretty paramount in this universe.
Seems like every just asumes Star Trek is the future. It's clearly not in Ridley Scotts mind. I find his corporate dominated dystopia much closer to reality I'm afraid.
You do know the engineer was a guy in a suit, right?
I personally thought that scene was flawless. Oh well, to each his own I guess. Obtrusive CG ruined the Lord of the Rings franchise for me, so I can understand your general complaint.
Speedymanic
Banned
I'd love to know the reason why they changed the design. Ugh, the artbook will be mine soon, but it's almost like a slap in the face as it contains almost everything that should have been in the movie but wasn't for whatever reason.
C'mon dude. Really?
Pretty much. crazy.
we.are.the.armada
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Maybe there were gallons of blood, tissue, and nutrients inside of the medpod for it to eat
It's simple that it doesn't make sense. In order to travel light years in the future (especially in just two years) it requires massive amounts of energy. Absolutely massive. the only thing that seems reasonable to me is nuclear fusion. Currently, we don't have this technology. But if we did, if we had the energy capability to make cheap and massive amounts of energy, enough to travel light years in a couple of years, it seems completely unreasonable that people would be suffering poverty in ways that we suffer them today. Poverty exists because ultimately people don't have access to energy. So I'm expected to believe that this major (and seemingly readily available technology exists), but that it's not being used to elevate poverty as well? It doesn't really make sense.
Now I'm not saying that there would be no poverty. I'm not saying that there would be utopia. I'm saying that traditional poverty, like you see today, wouldn't exist. There would be have and have nots, but it wouldn't be what you see in the film.
The CGi was uncanny. I see things in the real world that aren't human all the time, but they don't look unreal.
Maybe there were gallons of blood, tissue, and nutrients inside of the medpod for it to eat
It could of ate the medical supplies, maybe it just absorbed oxygen.
You see space monsters all the time? What are you comparing it to that makes it seem uncanny?
we.are.the.armada
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It had a jar jar binks quality to it. People were laughing in the theater I was in :/
Bluemercury
Member
Also the hugger thing in the movie is way bigger than in that concept art....
Does no one know what the Uncanny Valley is? It has nothing to do with him being in a suit or not. In fact, it would probably look less fake if it was a suit because according to the Uncanny Valley the closer something comes to looking real the more you scrutinize it. But maybe I'm just really sensitive to it - films that use extensive CGi, especially those with moveable models, always look fake to me. They look like they're made out of rubber, and stick out and look out of place.
Maybe there were gallons of blood, tissue, and nutrients inside of the medpod for it to eat
Still it couldn't grow that fast. Also, it was growing in her stomach (was it her uterus, it wasn't clear?) so where did it get the food in that short of time?
agrajag said:
No, see things that "aren't human" all the time. Maybe I was being too literal, but it would still be the same even if I did see space monsters. Read about the Uncanny Valley.... it's exactly the phenomenon that I'm talking about. the CGi looked like CGi and not like something "real" is all I'm saying.
My memory needs jogging. Where in the movie does it present Earth's poverty?
I know what the uncanny valley is, and it's only because the engineer looks humanoid but isn't human that you're thinking it looks fake. The CGI in this movie is really well done, better than anything I've seen recently.
Pachterballs
Banned
The only bad thing visually about the whole film is weylan
You're moving goalposts. You were complaining about CGI, not about guys in suits. The Engineer looked fine.
True. If there's a legitimate uncanny valley complaint to be found in this film, it's Weylan.
Lol, what. We all know what the Uncanny Valley is, it just doesn't seem to apply here because 1) it is a guy in a suit and not CG and 2) he is not supposed to look exactly human, he intentionally looks alien yet familiar.
Yes its chest was burst open
we.are.the.armada
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Space Jockey Actor - "So wait, you want me to attack these dudes even though I don't know how many of them there are and what kind of weaponry they have?"
Ridley - "Yes, we need a monster scene, like in a slasher flick!"
Space Jockey Actor - "I rip this guy's head off? Not very subtle, kind of risky... hey they obviously have interstellar travel, so they might have some pretty powerful weapons are you sure I just attack them?"
Ridley - "Stop asking completely logical questions!"
Space Jockey Actor - *sad face*
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Ok, so does anybody have a layout of the Prometheus ship?
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