PROMETHEUS UNMARKED SPOILER THREAD!
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Pachterballs
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I hope the sequel gets greenlit. Can't imagine what it'd be about? She don't speak alien; david does; but he's a head in a bag - but she's a archaeologist? I don't see her repairing david. So fassbender spends movie 2 as a head?
its a revenge movie? How is it going to work? The $240million budget was for 2 films; so they already sort of had an idea of what to do next.
Its intriguing.. Prometheus 2 probably has the goo infecting the engineers with a full flegdged alien2.0 outbreak if it wants to retain the horror grounding.
In terms of other scifi that changes genre... :Chronicles of Riddick one was a horror creature flick. two was a gladiator space opeara. I wonder where they'll take P2.
indigo-cyclops
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I thought my wife would be like that, but she was surprisingly attentive.
Just saw the movie today.
And I don't really buy this space Jesus theory.
To me it was all about what David (Fassbender) said.
Throughout the film it is clearly implied that he wants to be human, more human, accepted.
At one point he even said something about "children" always wanting to kill their parents, and Holloway said that everybody want to create life if they can, just because they can.
That's the thing, the engineers created life because they could, but why do they want to kill humans? Maybe because they realized that one day those children were going to try to kill them.
My main question though is what went wrong with the engineers, probably something to do with the aliens yet we see nothing about an alien outbreak whatsoever. And the only thing we know it's that apparently they know what the black ooze is going to transform into ultimately meaning they did try it on themselves and already created aliens or everything ultimately ends in the creation of aliens. (or the black ooze in the jars is programmed to create aliens and not to create human like life)
And I don't really buy this space Jesus theory.
To me it was all about what David (Fassbender) said.
Throughout the film it is clearly implied that he wants to be human, more human, accepted.
At one point he even said something about "children" always wanting to kill their parents, and Holloway said that everybody want to create life if they can, just because they can.
That's the thing, the engineers created life because they could, but why do they want to kill humans? Maybe because they realized that one day those children were going to try to kill them.
My main question though is what went wrong with the engineers, probably something to do with the aliens yet we see nothing about an alien outbreak whatsoever. And the only thing we know it's that apparently they know what the black ooze is going to transform into ultimately meaning they did try it on themselves and already created aliens or everything ultimately ends in the creation of aliens. (or the black ooze in the jars is programmed to create aliens and not to create human like life)
its bee done.
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but Bishop did teach Ripley how to repair him a little bit in Alien 3.
Saw it today, and I really liked it. The plot was pretty much what I thought it would be watching the first teaser, I was expecting more terror and biological nightmares, but what we got was ok. However it seems very clear to me the movie was either cut to hell and back, or the writing/editing process was just terrible. Is not that much was left unexplained, is just that it didn't follow logical order at all in some instances, things that should have been given more development were rushed. Like Shaw being almost killed by their crewmates and then going around with them all happy, we know why, but the movie never had that scene when she gets to the conclusion she has no other option.
From what I could gather Weyland was a sexist jerk, when he says David is the closest to a son he has ever had in the video presentation, the subtle response of Vickers tipped me off, she was closer than what they were showing. I would have really liked her to survive as well, o at least to have a better death, that was lame for such an interesting character.
From what I could gather Weyland was a sexist jerk, when he says David is the closest to a son he has ever had in the video presentation, the subtle response of Vickers tipped me off, she was closer than what they were showing. I would have really liked her to survive as well, o at least to have a better death, that was lame for such an interesting character.
They say they cut the explanation of that because the explanation was too on the nose. They left the implications for you to figure that out and come up with that idea.
Works much better.
The "Space Jesus" theory is such complete and utter crap that I cannot believe it's gotten this far.
In order for a theory in a movie to be plausible, it needs to have some kind of tangible basis in the film itself and not be COMPLETELY extraneous to what is happening on-screen. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in Prometheus that points towards this theory whatsoever.
Any "evidence" supporting the theory is so very circumstantial that it's not even worth considering!
In order for a theory in a movie to be plausible, it needs to have some kind of tangible basis in the film itself and not be COMPLETELY extraneous to what is happening on-screen. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in Prometheus that points towards this theory whatsoever.
Any "evidence" supporting the theory is so very circumstantial that it's not even worth considering!
what about the space squid in Vickers room?
Count Dookkake
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lol
Denial.
ooohhhh THATS the space jesus theory. Now I get it. Wow the Alien saga is getting deep.
catotheyounger
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Anyone read Film Crit Hulk's critique that was published today? I always like his breakdowns.
http://badassdigest.com/2012/06/17/film-crit-hulk-smash-the-damon-lindleof-intervention/
http://badassdigest.com/2012/06/17/film-crit-hulk-smash-the-damon-lindleof-intervention/
STILL, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE RALLIED AGAINST THE NOTION OF CONFUSED THEMES AND DEFENDED THE FILM, MOST NOTABLY A POPULAR INTERPRETATION OF THE RELIGIOUS COMPONENT OF THE FILM. READING MOST OF THESE DRAWN-OUT THEORIES ON THEIR OWN, HULK WOULD AGREE: YES, THERE IS A WAY THAT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IN THESE ESSAYS MAKES A KIND OF LOGICAL SENSE WHEN THE ESSAYS ARE TAKEN ON THEIR OWN SINGULAR MERIT. BUT THESE THEORIES ALSO FALL VICTIM TO A WHOLLY COMMON PROBLEM HULK SEES IN MOST ACADEMIA, AND THAT IS PEOPLE CONSTRUCTING SOUND LOGICAL THEORIES, BUT CONSTRUCTING THEM FROM UNSOUND DEDUCTION. MEANING THE LOGICAL IDEAS ARE EITHER NOT STRONGLY SUPPORTED BY THE TEXT, NOT DEDUCED FROM THE TEXT AT ALL AND ARE SIMPLY CONTINUING A LINE OF THINKING FROM AN EARLIER DEDUCTION, OR THEY RUN CONTRARY TO OTHER INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THE TEXT. THE END RESULT IS WHAT IS REFERRED TO IN ACADEMIA AS "UNDUE EXTRAPOLATION."
And that is PRECISELY the problem with the "Space Jesus" theory!
Count Dookkake
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Except not.
Alright, show me the evidential matter from the film that supports the theory. From the film itself, not from any interviews with Scott and Lindelof where they discuss material that was cut from the film at the script drafting stage.
Count Dookkake
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Read the thread.
Or watch the movie.
Or watch the movie.
Count Dookkake
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Then I can't help you.
Ridley Scott "took it out" but didnt replace it with anything. Except he just left the fact that the engineers are pissed with us cause of something that happened 2000+ years ago.
What happened 2000+ years ago that could be seen as humanity pissing off its creator? the killing of jesus.
That's enough for me to make the connection. I went in with a media blackout having seen only one trailer. When I walked out of the theatre I was talking with my dad about why they'd be mad at us and this was already on both our minds by the time we discussed it.
It's a theory. I dont think you get the concept of theory. Nobody's stating it as fact. People who choose to believe that this is what happened are basing that purely in the "engineers were pissed at us and tried to come here 2000 years ago" and having their own conclusions considering what's believed to have happened at that time by religious culture. That + the Ridley Scott interviews saying that this was the original intention but that he cut the explanation are more than enough to support these for those who choose to think that way, so seriously, think what you want but no need to get pissed over people answering an obviously rised question.
edit: might as well mention the other thing going around (wich doesn't change anything for me since I already believed to be what was supposed to happen and it could still be an impressive coincidence). Movie takes place in the moon designated LV-223.
Bible's Leviticus 22:3:
You just have to have faith.
Im kinda surprised at the people who go all "PFF LOL PEOPLE REACHING" when what's clearly presented in the movie is this:
something pissed off the engineers 2000+ years ago and they decided to come to our planet to destroy us.
how is it so far fetched to think that what they're refering to is the whole jesus sheanigans? I mean, for you NOT to believe that your argument needs to be that something else happened, but you dont have an answer for it. No one has any other theory other than "fuck if I know, the fact that it happened around the same time as Jesus is a mere coincidence your theory is stupid!"
something pissed off the engineers 2000+ years ago and they decided to come to our planet to destroy us.
how is it so far fetched to think that what they're refering to is the whole jesus sheanigans? I mean, for you NOT to believe that your argument needs to be that something else happened, but you dont have an answer for it. No one has any other theory other than "fuck if I know, the fact that it happened around the same time as Jesus is a mere coincidence your theory is stupid!"
Count Dookkake
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I love him more than do you and I have to say no. It really does not have any of the major themes found in his work, nor would it benefit from the satirical edge of his sci-fi stuff.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Also, later in the article Film Crit Hulk acknowledges that the "2000 years old" line is a painfully obvious reference.
I never thought of it as "OMG THE IMPLICATIONS" until I saw the internet's opinion about the movie. It was a pretty straightforward plot device in order to have the Engineers be pissed at us, and as such, im glad it was left ambigious, up to you, and not painfully explained.
You lack faith! Repent! Didn't you get the faith subplot. You have to have faith that there's a Space Jesus. Christianity 101, duh.
Joe Shlabotnik
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I assumed Holloways theory was that ancient languages could be "reverse engineered" to uncover a single root proto-language. So Latin might bear some resemblance to it but the "roots" would be from the Engineer language, not the other way around.
Sub_Level
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I totally agree. She was much more in line with the original Ripley.
"Open the goddamn door!"
"No. We can't break quarantine. You risk jeapordizing the whole ship."
And of course their problems with the androids, Ash and David respectively.
And it's totally fine, not every main character in these movies has to be Ripley. But she was much more sympathetic and normal than the rest of the crew. Plus, you know, she's gorgeous. I'm hoping that they retcon it in the sequel and have it so that she was pushed into the soil by the ship and managed to escape and get the remaining oxygen tanks. Then a Weyland/Yutani/Marine vessel picks her up. Or that she comes back as an android.
At the very least, the Bluray with more footage will have more Vickers, and that's cool.
Yeah, I would hate to see that happen. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but I really don't think there was anything in the film that implies she's an android. She feels genuine resentment towards David and her father (androids cannot feel emotions), she has sex (which I suppose androids COULD have but...meh), and near the beginning of the movie she's clearly sweating doing pushups (why would an android need exercise?). In relation to androids, Alien isn't Blade Runner, it's more like Terminator (cyborgs). The androids in this series are much more robotic and less human.
Speaking of which, I am now wondering if cyborgs have DNA since they are more organic than Androids, and if the black goo would affect them....certainly it would affect The Borg, no?
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Pretty sure it's pseudo-sumerian, just like the writing. No reason for it to be latin, lol.
We'll find out she was an android, and now the real Vickers will show up.
It's just that a friend of mine is a classical language major and speaks some Latin. According to her, when David speaks to the Space Jockey, the language is very much spoken with Latin roots. She did say that the gist of it was "This man is dying and can you help him live?"
Me being fairly uninitiated in classic languages, I was hoping there was some article or interview somewhere that could tell what's what.
Something gives me the feeling that the production didn't put too much thought into the intracacies of one written language and the spoken language of another.
ViewtifulJC
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REALLY, ASK YOURSELF THIS: HOW IS THE MAIN SCIENTIST LADY DIFFERENT FROM HOW SHE WAS IN THE BEGINNING? WHAT DID SHE LEARN? WHAT DID ANYONE IN THIS FILM LEARN? EVERYONE JUST PILES THROUGH WITH RECKLESS ABANDON AND MEETS SOME SORT OF END. AND THUS THE CONSEQUENCES OF EVERYTHING WE'VE SEEN ARE RENDERED MEANINGLESS. THAT AWESOME CESAREAN SCENE? BARELY FUCKING MENTIONED AGAIN AND THUS ROBBED OF ANY IMPACT. SO WHY SHOULD WE EVEN REALLY CARE? THE CHEST-BIRTH SCENE IN THE ORIGINAL ALIEN STANDS THE TEST OF TIME BECAUSE IT RADICALLY CHANGES THE DIRECTION OF THE MOVIE. IN THIS? IT HARDLY MATTERS OR AFFECTS ANYTHING. SHE TELLS WEYLAND "WE WERE SO WRONG!!!" AND THEN IMMEDIATELY SAYS WHATEVER AND GOES ALONG WITH HIM ANYWAY. BY THE END OF THE FILM, SHE LEARNED NOTHING. SHE LOST HER HUSBAND AND HAD AN ALIEN BABY TORN OUT OF HER AND SHE WAS BASICALLY LIKE "SIGN ME UP FOR MORE OF THIS!"
The Questions, Hulk! She's gotta know about Those Questions! It's why she's a human, and not a robot
is flashlight technology have a revolution coming up within the next 70 years?
And she will also turn out to be an android.
that was a recording
So after having a quick skim-read of a few pages in this (having only seen the film recently myself) I have yet to see anyone ask the question of whether or not this was the first planet that the Engineers planted humans on. It seems plausible enough to me that if they created life here, they could have done so elsewhere as well.
If this is the case, it is possible that the aliens were created before we got to a point of space-travel, and this movie was entirely to show the way that the Xenomorphs could come into existence. Could it not be possible that this is the way the Queens are created and then the queens populate the rest of the planet with face-huggers? Possibly used a sport by other advanced races or something? (ala Alien vs Predator, but possibly without the cheesy cross-over)
The mural/panel with the likeness of the Xenomorph in the tomb leads on to the idea that the room was a biological weapon either used to create the Xenomorphs or were some kind of research into resurrecting them.
If this is the case, it is possible that the aliens were created before we got to a point of space-travel, and this movie was entirely to show the way that the Xenomorphs could come into existence. Could it not be possible that this is the way the Queens are created and then the queens populate the rest of the planet with face-huggers? Possibly used a sport by other advanced races or something? (ala Alien vs Predator, but possibly without the cheesy cross-over)
The mural/panel with the likeness of the Xenomorph in the tomb leads on to the idea that the room was a biological weapon either used to create the Xenomorphs or were some kind of research into resurrecting them.
It certainly conflicts with the idea of the deacon (final xenomorph-looking alien we see) being the first of it's kind. So anything's possible.
the android factory made nothing but Vickers?
But there was no improvement...
Count Dookkake
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I'd buy two.
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I'd buy the factory.
Count Dookkake
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You win this round...
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