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Count Dookkake
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[shakes fist]
Not possible. Would be so hot the place would just spontaneously combust.
They had those pups floating around.
Floating lamp pups would have been nice.
Yeah but in all those movies the infected person knew they were gonna die or there wasnt a doctor around.
What I don't get is, if the Xenomorphs were accident that the Engineers are afraid of, then why the Hell do they have a painting with shrine dedicated to it?
If it was intentionally created, then why are they running around like a bunch of wusses when they should have known what they have created in the first place.
Last but not least, why was the movie trying to give the impression that Xeno Deacon we saw at the end was the first time such creature was created when the painting said otherwise? The film lead me into thinking that without a human passing the sperm infected with alien goo, Shaw wouldn't be pregnant with squid-creature (Trilobite). And without the squid eating the Engineer, a Xeno won't be born in the first place.
If it was intentionally created, then why are they running around like a bunch of wusses when they should have known what they have created in the first place.
Last but not least, why was the movie trying to give the impression that Xeno Deacon we saw at the end was the first time such creature was created when the painting said otherwise? The film lead me into thinking that without a human passing the sperm infected with alien goo, Shaw wouldn't be pregnant with squid-creature (Trilobite). And without the squid eating the Engineer, a Xeno won't be born in the first place.
Phoenix
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There be two turds in the toilet bowl and the other one has a name that starts with a P.
Nappuccino
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Phoenix?
(nah, I'm just joshing you)
I am surprised there is such an intense fallout over Prometheus being an average movie though... You'd think this were the second coming of Troll 2.
I don't even know how I should be reading that. Is he referring to himself in the third person? Why the caps lock? 2 prefaces. When does the actual fucking write up start because the caps lock cruise control seems to just summarize whatever Hulk plans on talking about.
I thought the movie kind of explained this, they made their bio weapon but it got out of control and ended up killing them. The shrine means nothing, the xeno was not worshiped just because there was a mural of it, it only means it was important for them. They might as well have feared it or something.
The last scene for me is just fan service, I honestly think if we ever get a real alien connection it will be in a sequel if there is one, Alien is not even on the same planet.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Hulk refers to hulkself in third person. He always shouts, ergo the caps. It's not hard to read.
catotheyounger
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As stated before, he writes in third person because that is how the Hulk traditionally speaks. It only serves as a voice for the author, but the content is nearly always strong. So much so that he was a featured columnist in the New Yorker. Once you get past the caps lock, his pieces read well and engages with his readers further in the comments and over twitter. Hulk voice or no, his media theory approach to film - and sometimes video games - is refreshing.
Phoenix
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Indeed. It would have been better if Shaw has been stuck there under the ship with her air running out and something actually interesting happened somewhere else. The whole lifeboat thing was embarrassingly bad.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Because when Space Jesus died, he was carrying a deadman's switch that released the black goo which infected almost everyone on the planet. This in turn killed somehow everyone in the Engineer empire.
It may not have been feared as them showing what they intended to create with it? Also, it is possible that this has happened before, as I stated in a previous post, who's to say they hadn't created humans before? Or possibly they created the race of humans from their own DNA as a way to breed the xenomorphs for some other reason?
Honestly who knows what the motives are, and I agree the connection so far seems to be fan-service, however why does it necessarily have to be on the same planet to be connected? This movie obviously shows that there is the possibility for the xenomorphs to exist elsewhere and to have existed elsewhere in the universe before the original Alien movie.
I don't get this either. It just makes me think that the base/installation the crew explored was a failed attempt. Shit went down regardless and things didn't pan out for the engineers.
Perhaps the installation that Alien takes place on had the successful experiment.
I must say the center piece of the mural looked bad ass.
It's definitely got some crucified motif dealie thing going on.
Besides that all, any clue to what that green translucent stone was during the same mural scene?
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
While the movie had a lot of unanswered questions, the biggest for me was the nature of the black goo. It was a bio weapon, but designed to do what? It turned the worms into facehugger penis snakes, Halloway started looking like the Engineer from the first scene prior to his disintegrating, and the other guy who got a face full of it turned into a lumpy faced contortionist. Meanwhile Shaw got knocked up with a squid that grew up into a jumbo face hugger with a vaginapenisanus face, implanted the Engineer, who had a full grown xenomorph relative burst out of him.
It *seems* like they developed some sort of prototype xenomorph compared to what we're used to, but to get there one had to get infected with the goo, impregnate a chick who gives birth to a squid, which grows up to mouth rape a victim? Seems convoluted...
It *seems* like they developed some sort of prototype xenomorph compared to what we're used to, but to get there one had to get infected with the goo, impregnate a chick who gives birth to a squid, which grows up to mouth rape a victim? Seems convoluted...
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Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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After seeing the movie today I made a (lame) joke about the engineer guys wanting to kill us because of Jesus. Funny to see it's an actual theory.
Basically this case is exactly my case. The movie felt disembodied as a whole. But so many things that were good. Its a rough gem.Eh, my expectations for the movie were too high.
It wasn't bad movie in anyway but it just wasn't great either. Maybe I was expecting more of another claustrophobia, dark and gritty space horror film, this wasn't one
The mural itself was the perfect amount of fanservice. Ending fucked it up.
I posted this in the ot but ill post it here as well...just got back from seeing it and these are my thoughts
first half of the movie was fantastic.
Then theron burned the guy and its like the writers said "oh shit guys, we gotta wrap this up! None or the character reactions or interactions make sense. NONE.
Women gets a c section to take out the implanted alien and stumbles upon david and weyland. They are basically like oh hey take a seat. You alright?
Then the captain comes to her room. No question what happened to her? Why are you hurt and bloody? Oh well I just fly the ship.
Then Shaw decides to go out with david and crew, one of which is the lady she knocked out to escape being re cryoed. No one is like, oh hey why is weyland here? Oh well that's cool let's go!
Then the captain decides to crash into the alien ship. His crew basically says sounds great let's do it!
And finally....why wouldn't you just run sideways when a ship is ROLLING towards you. Why in Gods name would you just keep running in front of it.
If only this movie just stayed like the first half. Its like two totally different movies
first half of the movie was fantastic.
Then theron burned the guy and its like the writers said "oh shit guys, we gotta wrap this up! None or the character reactions or interactions make sense. NONE.
Women gets a c section to take out the implanted alien and stumbles upon david and weyland. They are basically like oh hey take a seat. You alright?
Then the captain comes to her room. No question what happened to her? Why are you hurt and bloody? Oh well I just fly the ship.
Then Shaw decides to go out with david and crew, one of which is the lady she knocked out to escape being re cryoed. No one is like, oh hey why is weyland here? Oh well that's cool let's go!
Then the captain decides to crash into the alien ship. His crew basically says sounds great let's do it!
And finally....why wouldn't you just run sideways when a ship is ROLLING towards you. Why in Gods name would you just keep running in front of it.
If only this movie just stayed like the first half. Its like two totally different movies
Black Mamba
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So, has anyone figured out the significance of the Engineers returning 1400 years ago which is 600 years after the event that killed them in their ship?
OH WHAT THE SHIT!
Why don't I remember this. Hahahaha
Now it just needs to be made into a film.
Hmmm I missed this reference. Where did the movie suggest they returned 1400 years ago? To Earth or the LV223? Was it one of the star map references?
Dark ages? Black plague? Not sure of the dates on those.
Karma Kramer
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Here's a question. Is the lack of character development for the human characters (David is the only character that learns and wonders) bad writing or is it intentional? The humans move through this alien environment looking around, hoping to find something definitive about their origins. But they don't find it immediately, only DNA samples. However interesting that may be, they do very little analyzing of what it might mean. Nor do they speculate on other things they witnessed. The two main scientists see these Engineers as Gods... and wish nothing more to meet them. Same as Weyland. Yet almost everyone in the film recklessly, hopelessly, meets some sort of end. Most deaths being undignified and meaningless. Before they realized the Engineers wish to terminate Earth/humanity, the Engineers are Gods. They have the answers. When Shaw and others come to understand the Engineers plans, they no longer hold any respect towards it. They assume its motivation and reasoning is wrong. They assume the moral ground even though that ground was built on the shoulders of the Engineers (scene with ground breaking open represents human reality/culture literally breaking open). David on the other hand, knows everything all along I think. He knows waking up the Engineers will lead to events that end humanity. His view on humanity is that if their creators saw no more purpose with humans and humans see no purpose in life then the reasons why (for any of it, origin, why we were made etc) are meaningless. The audience isn't meant to find definitive meaning. It's almost essentially trolling those who take the film seriously. Who think there might actually be some kind of answer. There isn't one is the fact. But for some of us, we can look at life around us and wonder regardless. David has more love and passion for life than humans because he doesn't pretend that his creator cares about him. He doesn't pretend that he will go to heaven when he dies. He doesn't blink an eye when his creator says he has no soul. Perhaps that is what the Engineers would have told us... but unlike David, we continue pretending, denying, and ultimately living in fear.
So yeah, I think you are right atop. This film will be looked back on more highly. At least it continues to grow on me and I still have only seen it once. It's becoming something rather brilliant actually.
So yeah, I think you are right atop. This film will be looked back on more highly. At least it continues to grow on me and I still have only seen it once. It's becoming something rather brilliant actually.
everything except for thre last two points is right. Its like they really did cut out so much due to time. anyway though. I felt the Captain genuinely believed that ship was going straight to earth and this was the only chance to stop it and the same goes to those two co pilots. As for the running point is just a nitpick. It is easy for viewers to ay "Run Sideways!" but when that is happening to you, your just running. Thats it. Just run.
Black Mamba
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Note the years for Mayan and Hawaii. They are after the date the Engineers died on that ship.
Clayton Bigsby
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Saw this for a third time today. I did not really want to, but my Dad and bro wanted to see it..But it was pretty good even after a third time. Plot holes are very apparent, but it is just a very nice looking film, and pretty well acted. I really hope Ridley gets to make a sequel.
In their defense, they probably didn't expect the alien ship to defy the laws of physics and inertia.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
If the thing had anti gravity generators and inertial dampeners of some sort...
Was it? That's what the human speculation was. That's not a solid answer as to its actual purpose though. From what the movie actually showed, it just messes with DNA exactly like that dissolving guy demonstrated.
Worms got into it, you got the one eyes monsters. Geologist dies and falls face first into it, he turns into some kind of mutant. Same with sciendude. Sciendude's eye parasite swims into sciendudette and becomes facehuggersquid. Facehuggersquid gets Engineer and ends up a squid humanoid hybrid.
That just comes across to me as a tool that can cut both ways rather than something that's explicitly a bioweapon.
"What if the mission involved a gangbang?"
Ololololololol.
Good movie, I see Scott as a Master Troll who just sits in his villa, reads all comments on the internet, bursts laughing, counts money on the second screen and plays "all Your Base Are Belong To Us" in the background loop, eating Beluga and suffocating in Krug.
Causing it to roll like tire down a hill on a completely flat stretch of ground after dropping from the sky? There's super advanced science, and there's just plain stupid.
Freshmaker
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Just saying that laws of physics and inertia might not be playing by the same rules in a situation like that.
my big question is why does shaw assume the engineers want to kill them before the engineer starts killing them. shaw and crew stumbled upon a warship that was used for war, but it seemed like a big jump to assume they were going to go to earth to murder everyone.
i also don't know where the space jesus stuff is coming from, especially within the movie.
as far as the black goo goes, i think it's some super adaptable living thing. something i noted was that it doesn't affect david when he holds it on his finger when it is gloved and ungloved (because he's not human, and doesn't have any flesh or blood). however, it appears to affect fifeld's glass helmet when he falls in the goo. but before that happened, the blood from the mutated worm had sprayed on his helmet. the black goo was interacting with the blood, and sort of disintegrated the helmet, similar to how it killed the insides of the sacrifice engineer at the beginning of the film. halloway's infection appears to be a much slower-acting version of this (taking hours instead of seconds).
the worms go swimming around in it, and become a super strong and irritable version of their former selves. once the glass on fifeld's helmet melted away/connected the black goo with his skin, it had the same reaction with him. while halloway's insides might have been deteriorating, it could have been that some of the black goo enhanced one of the sperm cells (or maybe all of them together?) that went into shaw, turning it into a small squid creature. based on that origin, maybe it had a strong desire for reproduction, which is why it doesn't murder the final engineer in the traditional sense. i'm not sure how to trace the deacon back to that though, it's an extra step that was never taken with the other interactions with the black goo.
my guess is that the black goo was traditionally used to speed along some sort of evolutionary process, and the xenomorph had been created before using similar methods (only it would be engineer -> engineer and not human -> engineer). things get messier when you try to fit in the facehugger eggs though.
i also don't know where the space jesus stuff is coming from, especially within the movie.
as far as the black goo goes, i think it's some super adaptable living thing. something i noted was that it doesn't affect david when he holds it on his finger when it is gloved and ungloved (because he's not human, and doesn't have any flesh or blood). however, it appears to affect fifeld's glass helmet when he falls in the goo. but before that happened, the blood from the mutated worm had sprayed on his helmet. the black goo was interacting with the blood, and sort of disintegrated the helmet, similar to how it killed the insides of the sacrifice engineer at the beginning of the film. halloway's infection appears to be a much slower-acting version of this (taking hours instead of seconds).
the worms go swimming around in it, and become a super strong and irritable version of their former selves. once the glass on fifeld's helmet melted away/connected the black goo with his skin, it had the same reaction with him. while halloway's insides might have been deteriorating, it could have been that some of the black goo enhanced one of the sperm cells (or maybe all of them together?) that went into shaw, turning it into a small squid creature. based on that origin, maybe it had a strong desire for reproduction, which is why it doesn't murder the final engineer in the traditional sense. i'm not sure how to trace the deacon back to that though, it's an extra step that was never taken with the other interactions with the black goo.
my guess is that the black goo was traditionally used to speed along some sort of evolutionary process, and the xenomorph had been created before using similar methods (only it would be engineer -> engineer and not human -> engineer). things get messier when you try to fit in the facehugger eggs though.
I just watched the original Alien and I think:
1) Prometheus is the better film by far. Alien on its own has a great setup but really just turns into a stereotypical 'murderer-on-the-loose' kind of movie. IMO, Prometheus explores some very deep stuff and for that alone it's the better movie for me.
2) I was thinking, after the events of Prometheus...maybe everything that happened in Alien was already planned out. That is to say, the company knew something was up in that solar system (because of what happened in Prometheus) and tricked the crew in Alien into a regular cargo kind of mission which was successful until they were to return and were then forced to explore this other planet with the signal. I think the signal was always known to the company, and they rigged the whole mission from the get go including putting Ash on board because they wanted to see what this Alien stuff is all about.
1) Prometheus is the better film by far. Alien on its own has a great setup but really just turns into a stereotypical 'murderer-on-the-loose' kind of movie. IMO, Prometheus explores some very deep stuff and for that alone it's the better movie for me.
2) I was thinking, after the events of Prometheus...maybe everything that happened in Alien was already planned out. That is to say, the company knew something was up in that solar system (because of what happened in Prometheus) and tricked the crew in Alien into a regular cargo kind of mission which was successful until they were to return and were then forced to explore this other planet with the signal. I think the signal was always known to the company, and they rigged the whole mission from the get go including putting Ash on board because they wanted to see what this Alien stuff is all about.
D.Lo
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i thought that was essentially spelled out in alien. ash calls the xenomorph the ultimate life form, so he has some knowledge of it already.
Can't really remember much anymore but wasn't that because David discovered their flight route to earth while touching stuff in the space ship? And since the ship was loaded full with stuff that had killed their entire team it's fair to assume the engineers meant no good.
And I thought it was the acidic blood from the worm that melted fifeld's helmet/face?
it did start melting away at it, but then he falls in the goo and the goo starts moving the glass towards and around his face.
did that news ever get back to shaw? i can't remember if that conversation happened.
i actually do like that shaw and no one else (aside from david) knows what actually started the infection. she does kinda pause when david tells her it wasn't the air/atmosphere that did it, but i don't think she put two and two together at the end of the film.
You should have watched Alien first. Prometheus retroactively sucked the mystery out of Alien, and replaced it with something unsatisfying.
Slightly different kinds of movies, but Alien has better tension, pacing, dialogue, and characters than Prometheus. Alien is a better film on almost every level IMO.
Prometheus tries to explore deep stuff, but just ends up presenting a bunch of confused themes that remain shallow and don't coalesce into any kind of cohesive message, resolution or point.
That's pretty much implied through several things presented in Alien already.
EleventhDoctor
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You really don't think she did? I took that look she gave him as confirmation he had something to do with it, and her going along with the flow with everything after the vasectomy was due to her wanting to 'finish' what she started. This may have been confused with stupidity. While she isn't the most likable heroin ever, I think some of the criticisms are harsh.
Except the xenomorph had already been reborn, and their planned destruction of humanity would have made millions of them.
The xenomorphs were the Biblical plague.
D.Lo
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Alien >>>>>>>> Alien 3 > Aliens > Alien Resurrection >>>>> AVP1 > Prometheus = AVP2
Even the complete garbage AVP films at least made sense, and the B-movie feel they went for actually fit 'retarded slasher film character' actions.
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Alien >> Prometheus > Alien 3 > Alien Resurrection > AVP1 > AVP2 > Aliens
Even the complete garbage AVP films at least made sense, and the B-movie feel they went for actually fit 'retarded slasher film character' actions.
Visually
Alien >> Prometheus > Alien 3 > Alien Resurrection > AVP1 > AVP2 > Aliens
WordAssassin
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I gotta say, plot qualms aside, this movie blew my fucking mind visually.
It's very, very rare for me to not be able to pick out what's real and what's CGI, but honestly the lines were super blurred in Prometheus.
Were the Engineers real people in costumes? Were their faces CGI? Were they completely CGI? Was the Xenomorph at the end of the movie a puppet? Guy in a suit? CGI?
Obviously the snakes and the giant facehugger were CGI, but those other things, I just couldn't tell.
HOWEVER
The make-up on Wayland was fucking AWFUL and looked like a damn joke. I have a friend who just got out of MUD (make-up school) who can make a more convincing old person that that. Fucking Ms Doubtfire's face looked more realistic than that. Out of everything in the entire movie, that was the only thing that SCREAMED "fake" at me and pulled me out of the movie every time he was on screen. It was SO BAD. WTF
It's very, very rare for me to not be able to pick out what's real and what's CGI, but honestly the lines were super blurred in Prometheus.
Were the Engineers real people in costumes? Were their faces CGI? Were they completely CGI? Was the Xenomorph at the end of the movie a puppet? Guy in a suit? CGI?
Obviously the snakes and the giant facehugger were CGI, but those other things, I just couldn't tell.
HOWEVER
The make-up on Wayland was fucking AWFUL and looked like a damn joke. I have a friend who just got out of MUD (make-up school) who can make a more convincing old person that that. Fucking Ms Doubtfire's face looked more realistic than that. Out of everything in the entire movie, that was the only thing that SCREAMED "fake" at me and pulled me out of the movie every time he was on screen. It was SO BAD. WTF
The Engineers were guys in suits. These were the same people seen eating lunch in leaked set photos eons ago("xenomorph looking suits with no Xeno-heads").
They made an animatronic of the giant squid as well but it's clearly CGI enhanced in the final film.
Engineers were all make up all awesome. Prob some minor CGI enhancements here and there though.
Weyland did look bad but that could be explained. He was clearly obsessed with immortality if he is willing to fly across the universe and spend a trillion to see the engineers. So it's not out of the question the he used many other means to increase his age some of which made him look like shit.
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