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Zaph said:
Don't have to wait 4 years, just look at Beijing 2008 - 19 golds. We're only up 6 from that. Not really that much of a host advantage.

But good effort on the troll bruv.
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we also spent more this time with £235 million on olympic sports going into beijing but £264 million for london 2012*. the home crowds and desire to win in the home olympics help boost performances - but maybe also put too much pressure too? - but i think money and sustained investment over time are key here.

* http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19144983

which also has a breakdown into how much we spend on each sport - if you want you can compare swimming and cycling and our returns from the two and weep.
 
LTWheels said:
She should have caught it. The shot is around head hight, not too far from where she was standing.

She did not put enough power in the punch, to clear the ball from the danger area. If there was a Japanese player running in from deep - goal.

It looks impressive as her dive is exaggerated and theatrical. It's at its most exaggerated after she saves the shot. She did not need to dive that way.
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That is a 1 on 1 situation and she narrowed the angle perfectly. Being goal keeper isnt all about the actual save but how well you stay in the right position and cover the goal along with being a presence that intimidates the attacker. She brilliantly closed off near post on a quick turn over and taunted far post shot to be able to make the save. Her positioning and diving were secondary to closing off near post.
 
3rd for Brazil, you're kidding right? We've only just about kept Russia out of third, and having this 'home advantage' hasn't catapulted us above Beijing, we're doing better but it's the funding and pure grit and determination from our athletes which has given us a boost in the medal table, not the home crowd.

Brazil will be extremly lucky to manage top 10, for that they'd need to double their total from these games (where they havn't seen a boost in these games, like GB did in Beijing.)
 
24FrameDaVinci said:
lol They have 11 total as of this moment. I take you're not a gambling man, are you?
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- they can sweep Judo across the board or most of it
- they can get a few in combat sports(wrestling, tae, boxing etc) they're not far from the best at them.
- Football (men and women) very possible
- Volleyball (indoor/beach , men and women)

Home Court advantage does alot, im sure they'll have surprise performances
 
24FrameDaVinci said:
Seriously. On what planet is that first save considered "poor"?
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It's not a "poor" save, because well... she stopped the ball going into the goal. However, the poster is right, it's a ball that she should have easily held onto. She made it look acrobatic when in reality all she had to do was reach out and grab it (the other angle shows that better). If there was a Japanese player nearby it would have been an easy goal.

However, like I said, no goal therefore it's a good save. :)
 
Psychotext said:
It's not a "poor" save, because well... she stopped the ball going into the goal. However, the poster is right, it's a ball that she should have easily held onto. She made it look acrobatic when in reality all she had to do was reach out and grab it (the other angle shows that better). If there was a Japanese player nearby it would have been an easy goal.

However, like I said, no goal therefore it's a good save. :)
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This, this, and this. Poor is probably too strong of a word I used, but it is not really a good save. USA-GAF were just hyped up in the moment.
 
UFCLOL said:
4 years is a long time, but yeah you have to have talent, but who knows what will happen till 2016. Although I bet 10-15 golds wouldn't be outrageous.
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It took Britain from 1996 to 2012 to get from 1 gold to where we are now. Not only that but Brazil aren't competitive enough in the pool, on the track/field, in boats or on bikes to get 10-15 golds. Those events have a huge number of medals available and a nation has to be strong in two out of four to really get a decent number of golds because China and Russia are just way too strong at the ex-USSR specialist sports.

The other problem for Brazil is that after such a large amount of national embarrassment one imagines that Australia will pump up funding for swimming, rowing and cycling to be more competitive in all three sports, especially swimming so they will have a mini-surge for 2016.

I hope Brazil can do well for 2016 as it's always good for the atmosphere of the games when the host nation does well, but I just don't see where their medals will come from, unless you assume that all other nations will stand still and only Brazil will invest, which is not going to happen. The British government is about to lock down the whole cycling management team for two more Olympic cycles and they have pumped up lottery investment back to 20% which amounts to around £70m extra over four years vs this cycle which will be used to invest in swimming and athletics to improve our performance in both disciplines for Rio.
 
~Devil Trigger~ said:
- they can sweep Judo across the board or most of it
- they can get a few in combat sports(wrestling, tae, boxing etc) they're not far from the best at them.
- Football (men and women) very possible
- Volleyball (indoor/beach , men and women)

Home Court advantage does alot, im sure they'll have surprise performances
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But then you look at other sports such as Rowing, Cycling, Archery, Gymnastics, Track and field, Table Tennis, Tennis.... Brazil has quite some holes in their CV
 
It's about the bucks. We saw it in Sydney, Beijing, Vancouver and now London. Brazil's success will depend on how much they invest in their sport programs. It's not going to happen just because they're hosting.

I have no connections to GB, but I'm glad they had a good games. I was cheering for them. Hosting costs mega bucks so it's their party to enjoy and I'm happy that they could enjoy some success. The atmosphere at the velodrome and the stadium looked fantastic. You put on a good show. Well done, mates.
 
Empty said:
we also spent more this time with £235 million on olympic sports going into beijing but £264 million for london 2012*. the home crowds and desire to win in the home olympics help boost performances - but maybe also put too much pressure too? - but i think money and sustained investment over time are key here.

* http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19144983

which also has a breakdown into how much we spend on each sport - if you want you can compare swimming and cycling and our returns from the two and weep.
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lol

Swimming? GTFO
 
danwarb said:
Host nation doesn't always get a bump.
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(You knew I'd have to look these up, right?)

China (65% bump over average of prior two years)
2000
G: 28 S: 16 B: 14 T: 58
2004
G: 32 S: 17 B: 14 T: 63
2008 (host nation)
G: 51 S: 21 B: 28 T: 100

Greece (52% bump over average of prior two years)
1996
G: 4 S: 4 B: 0 T: 8
2000
G: 4 S: 6 B: 3 T: 13
2004
G: 6 S: 6 B: 4 T: 16

Australia (70% bump over average of prior two years)
1992
G: 7 S: 9 B: 11 T: 27
1996
G: 9 S: 9 B: 23 T: 41
2000
G: 16 S: 25 B: 17 T: 58
 
Parch said:
It's about the bucks. We saw it in Sydney, Beijing, Vancouver and now London. Brazil's success will depend on how much they invest in their sport programs. It's not going to happen just because they're hosting.
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This exactly. As soon as we found out we got the games, 3 years before Beijing, we plowed so much money and effort in, and for that effort we doubled our gold count from Athens 2004 (9) and had our best ever olympics (19)

Is Brazil doing something similar? Because if they are it's not working, they're 1 Gold, 2 Silver and 1 Bronze below Beijing with 3 days to go.

You get out what you put in, simply being the host doesn't generate success.

The reason host nations get a bump is because of their preperations.
 
Nolan. said:
But then you look at other sports such as Rowing, Cycling, Archery, Gymnastics, Track and field, Table Tennis, Tennis.... Brazil has quite some holes in their CV
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They got an Artistic Gym Gold... lol

Brazil got top talent in alot of sports, and point is, im sure alot of Brazilians and the Brazilian sports program will push hard to pick up Gold in alot of events. Yea obviously not Track or Basketball or Tennis(unless some awesome tennis player emerges in 2 years) but they can trickle em in.
 
Iceman said:
(You knew I'd have to look these up, right?)

China (65% bump over average of prior two years)
2000
G: 28 S: 16 B: 14 T: 58
2004
G: 32 S: 17 B: 14 T: 63
2008 (host nation)
G: 51 S: 21 B: 28 T: 100

Greece (52% bump over average of prior two years)
1996
G: 4 S: 4 B: 0 T: 8
2000
G: 4 S: 6 B: 3 T: 13
2004
G: 6 S: 6 B: 4 T: 16

Australia (70% bump over average of prior two years)
1992
G: 7 S: 9 B: 11 T: 27
1996
G: 9 S: 9 B: 23 T: 41
2000
G: 16 S: 25 B: 17 T: 58
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Your statistics are flawed. Only China got a huge bump from previous year. The other 2 nations were already better from their previous Olympic before hosting.
 
Speaking of my home country, I don't think Brazil stand a chance on winning more than 25 medals.

But most of them will be gold, due extreme focus on our best chances.
 
mokeyjoe said:
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This is the first thing I thought of when I clocked Daley Thompson on the Olympic highlights on BBC tonight. Then I remembered this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBetudbtRto

Daley + Iron Maiden = Awesome.
 
I am more impress with China this year than last Olympic.

China got the automatic home field advantage and there was no way to tell how good they were.

This year China competes with US fairly you can see they are hanging in very tough with the US.
 
Akkad said:
More saltiness incoming, what a joke

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olymp...-t-shirts-were-tacky-vain-213051108--oly.html
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No branding allowed in the Olympics!

Except for... y'know... all the ones that are approved.

Acid08 said:
Lol he's a funny guy. Still, someone else became the most decorated Olympian ever this year so he's always going to be second to Phelps, for right now at least.
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Huh? He'll never be close to the most decorated Olympian because the range of events he competes in is incredibly small.
 
Carl Lewis needs to shut up. A juicer calling others juicers = :lol

Pick your explanation. The press conference broke up in laughter when a nervous reporter called the Jamaican track team as the “Jamaican drug team,” while attempting to ask whether the group was doping free. Bolt, as he always does, brushed it off. “These guys train really hard,” he said, gesturing to Blake and Weir. He went on to chide Carl Lewis, saying he’d “lost all respect” for the U.S. sprinting legend for recent remarks Bolt felt cast today’s sprinters as dopers.

Whatever the explanation, the upcoming 4×100-metre relay is clearly Jamaica’s to lose.

And after that? Bolt says he’ll keep running, but not forever. He joked with reporters about playing Premier League soccer, or trying out long jump. “I need a goal. I need something to motivate me.” But he made no promise to run in Rio, acknowleding that, at 30, he might be too slow to keep up with his compatriots. And as the newser wound down, he left the sense that he’d done all he needs to do. Seizing the mic one last time, he declared: “I am now a living legend. Bask in my glow”
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I get the impression that Bolt is an incredibly insecure man.

He really overdoes the whole cult of personality thing he's got going and during the 200m race I remember he was constantly looking to his left to see if Blake was going to overtake him. It is almost as if his entire sense of being orientates around being "the greatest". It wouldn't surprise me if we don't see him in Rio, I don't think he'd risk losing his legendary status.
 
Gorillaz said:
With Phelps out of the olympics Bolt will most likely be the driving force in 2016
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He's hardly old or anything but I wonder if he can maintain this form or even improve it for 2016. It would be a miracle if he still manages to be a major force and still have the kind of margin he enjoys now. Will be interesting to see how he manages the next few years.

Napoleonthechimp said:
I get the impression that Bolt is an incredibly insecure man.

He really overdoes the whole cult of personality thing he's got going and during the 200m race I remember he was constantly looking to his left to see if Blake was going to overtake him. It is almost as if his entire sense of being orientates around being "the greatest". It wouldn't surprise me if we don't see him in Rio, I don't think he'd risk losing his legendary status.
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I think you're over analysing
 
cube444 said:
Bolt might not even be there. A lot can happen in 4 years.
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I can't imagine that he'd be able to win the 100m or 200m in another four years. With that said, he could finally try for the 400m and long jump. He's said that he's interested in doing both. The expectations for him really wouldn't be there for those events.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
I get the impression that Bolt is an incredibly insecure man.

He really overdoes the whole cult of personality thing he's got going and during the 200m race I remember he was constantly looking to his left to see if Blake was going to overtake him. It is almost as if his entire sense of being orientates around being "the greatest". It wouldn't surprise me if we don't see him in Rio, I don't think he'd risk losing his legendary status.
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maybe because he knew blake was the only one who could come close to beating him? i think you're reading wayyyy too far into that.
 
Anyone know who else will run the 4x100 relay with Bolt and Blake? I'm assuming Powell is a no go with his bad groin. I know they have three other sprinters that have also run sub 10 seconds 100M times this season.
 
Nolan. said:
He's hardly old or anything but I wonder if he can maintain this form or even improve it for 2016. It would be a miracle if he still manages to be a major force and still have the kind of margin he enjoys now. Will be interesting to see how he manages the next few years.



I think you're over analysing
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I really don't think so. The most insecure are usually the ones that really overdo it, it's the 200m footage that cemented that idea for me. If you're constantly told that "you're the greatest" you eventually start to believe it and it becomes a part of your identity. Who would want that source of fame and adoration taken from them?
 
Iceman said:
(You knew I'd have to look these up, right?)

China
1984
G: 15 S: 8 B: 9 T: 32
1988
G: 5 S: 11 B:12 T: 28
1992
G: 16 S: 22 B: 16 T: 54
1996
G: 16 S: 22 B: 12 T: 50
2000
G: 28 S: 16 B: 14 T: 58
2004
G: 32 S: 17 B: 14 T: 63
2008 (host nation)
G: 51 S: 21 B: 28 T: 100
2012
G: 37 S: 24 B: 19 T: 80

Greece (52% bump over average of prior two years)
1984
G: 0 S: 1 B: 1 T: 2
1988
G: 0 S: 0 B: 1 T: 1
1992
G: 2 S: 0 B: 0 T: 2
1996
G: 4 S: 4 B: 0 T: 8
2000
G: 4 S: 6 B: 3 T: 13
2004
G: 6 S: 6 B: 4 T: 16
2008
G: 0 S: 2 B: 2 T: 4

Australia (70% bump over average of prior two years)
1988:
G: 3 S: 6 B: 5 T: 14
1992
G: 7 S: 9 B: 11 T: 27
1996
G: 9 S: 9 B: 23 T: 41
2000
G: 16 S: 25 B: 17 T: 58
2004
G: 17 S: 16 B: 16 T: 49
2008
G: 14 S: 15 B: 17 T: 46

United States
1984
G: 83 S: 61 B: 30 T:174
1988
G: 36 S: 31 B: 27 T: 94
1992
G: 37 S: 34 B: 37 T: 108
1996
G: 44 S: 32 B: 25 T: 101
2000
G: 37 S: 24 B: 33 T: 94
2004
G: 36 S: 39 B: 27 T: 102
2008
G: 36 S: 38 B: 36 T:110

South Korea
1984
G: 6 S: 6 B:7 T: 19
1988
G: 12 S: 10 B: 11 T: 33
1992
G: 12 S: 5 B: 12 T: 29
1996
G: 7 S:15 B:5 T: 27
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It looks like the only year a host country didn't get a significant bump was 1996 in Atlanta. USA got 94 medals in 1976 but 28 countries boycotted that one. It's kind of sketchy including anything during the cold war era as the easter block/USSR owned the olympics hard - not leaving many medals for the rest of the world.
 
SolidSnakex said:
I can't imagine that he'd be able to win the 100m or 200m in another four years. With that said, he could finally try for the 400m and long jump. He's said that he's interested in doing both. The expectations for him really wouldn't be there for those events.
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Hard to say but Gatlin at age 30 ran a 9.79 for the Bronze so anything is possible considering how much more superior Bolt is to Gatlin.

It's all about health and hunger/desire for Bolt from here on IMO.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
I really don't think so. The most insecure are usually the ones that really overdo it, it's the 200m footage that cemented that idea for me. If you're constantly told that "you're the greatest" you eventually start to believe it and it becomes a part of your identity. Who would want that source of fame and adoration taken from them?
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i feel like i'm taking crazy pills
 
Bread said:
maybe because he knew blake was the only one who could come close to beating him? i think you're reading wayyyy too far into that.
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This.

“The key for me is always to run the corner as fast I can because I know I’m a better turner than Yohan,” he shrugged. “When I came out of it, I could feel a slight strain in my back , so I decided I was going to keep my eyes on [Blake], and make sure I stayed in front of him. I did just that and that’s the reason I slowed down at the line.”
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