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[Owzers]

So fucking right. That attitude is mind boggling to me. It's all Remender that book. He wants to move onto something else, why on Earth would anyone be against that or, even more mystifyingly, take it as a sign of creative bankruptcy on the part of Marvel NOW!.

"Sopranos is ending? HBO sucks."

"Breaking Bad is ending? Real creative, AMC."

Okayyyyyyyyyyy
yyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

All I want is an omnibus fitting conclusion and i'm fine, helps the wallet too

 

[Supermanisdead]

So fucking right. That attitude is mind boggling to me. It's all Remender that book. He wants to move onto something else, why on Earth would anyone be against that or, even more mystifyingly, take it as a sign of creative bankruptcy on the part of Marvel NOW!.

"Sopranos is ending? HBO sucks."

"Breaking Bad is ending? Real creative, AMC."

Okayyyyyyyyyyy
yyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

Except that they're putting Daniel Way and the most pedestrian artist I can think of on it.

Yup exactly. It's more like if Breaking Bad "ended", then was brought back the next day with the writers and actors from ABC's Work it. Marvel is obviously sabotaging the X-Franchise and the writers know to get out if they want to keep their popularity.

 

[crimsonspider89]

Nu52just threw so many good books under the boss and good characters as well. I mean Batgirl with Stephanie Brown was so lighthearted and funny. Not to mention too much editorial mandates.

Marvel NOW outside of All New X-Men and FailNova seem like they could be interesting concepts and the teams sound wonderful.

Also at Fan Expo confirmed some of the New Mutants will be on the Avengers team.

 

[Sblargh]

The only thing I can take away from internet forums is that people hate Johns and Bendis now because they are too popular. I wonder how long it will be before people start complaining about Snyder, Lemier, Hickman, and Gillen.

Ouch, that's unfair. tbh, I don't even know who is "too popular" right now since my only comic book forum is this thread and random comments on the few news I read on CBR and such (and then, I only lurk).

So I don't know, it usually to be great to open a Bendis book and see walls of text because it was good dialogue. Now it just seem 20 pages of random giberish where nothing happens.

I know I am reading a Bendis story when I reach the end and got the feeling nothing at all happened; to the point I have to re-read it consciously trying to look for plot points that advanced.

Nu52just threw so many good books under the boss and good characters as well. I mean Batgirl with Stephanie Brown was so lighthearted and funny. Not to mention too much editorial mandates.

Marvel NOW outside of All New X-Men and FailNova seem like they could be interesting concepts and the teams sound wonderful.

Also at Fan Expo confirmed some of the New Mutants will be on the Avengers team.

What do you mean FailNova?

 

[Spike Spiegel]

Except that they're putting Daniel Way and the most pedestrian artist I can think of on it.

Do we even know that Way is continuing the vision set by Remender? What's the new X-Force about? It's not even keeping the same title, is it? For that matter, is Way/Garza X-Force anything more than a RUMOR at this point?

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Yup exactly. It's more like if Breaking Bad "ended", then was brought back the next day with the writers and actors from ABC's Work it. Marvel is obviously sabotaging the X-Franchise and the writers know to get out if they want to keep their popularity.

If you really want to believe Remnderless Uncanny X-Force bears any resemblance to the title you enjoyed, I guess you'll be disappointed.

Do you think that whatever New X-Men book staring a bunch of new kids in any way tarnished or even affected Morrison's run?

What -- I don't even --

okay

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Do we even know that Way is continuing the vision set by Remender? What's the new X-Force about? It's not even keeping the same title, is it? For that matter, is Way/Garza X-Force anything more than a RUMOR at this point?

I love you, fellow voice of reason. May our common sense continue to flourish and together, we can change this country.

 

[crimsonspider89]

The new Nova is often referred to as FailNova. Cause he sucks.

 

[sycam0re]

The thing is that UXF is popular both critically and financially. I can't imagine that they're going to change the comic too much if they want to keep the current UXF readers on board. Unless they just royally fuck it up.

Anyway, the one thing that an X-Force book doesn't need is more fucking T&A

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

The thing is that UXF is popular both critically and financially. I can't imagine that they're going to change the comic too much if they want to keep the current UXF readers on board. Unless they just royally fuck it up.

But the idea that Remender would be kicked off or end his story prematurely is just bonkers to me.

Frankencastle ended with a perfect conclusion. Why would this be any different? Do people just not follow Remender and are just on board UXF because it's like "hot" and "k" "e" "w" "l"?

 

[sycam0re]

Remender was on board until Rucka took over the Punisher relaunch.

If they got Greg fuckin' Rucka to relaunch X-Force, that's much more acceptable than Daniel Way.

 

[Supermanisdead]

But the idea that Remender would be kicked off or end his story prematurely is just bonkers to me.

Frankencastle ended with a perfect conclusion. Why would this be any different? Do people just not follow Remender and are just on board UXF because it's like "hot" and "k" "e" "w" "l"?

Lol at the idea that Remender would somehow run out of stories after 26 issues. There was a time when writers would go over a decade on the same series and keep it fresh and fun. Marvel is just shaking things up and want their talent on Avengers instead of X-Men.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

The new Nova is often referred to as FailNova. Cause he sucks.

I like calling him Eric Fail.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Remender was on board until Rucka and Hitch took over the Punisher relaunch.

If they got Greg fuckin' Rucka to relaunch X-Force, that's much more acceptable than Daniel Way.

"Relaunch"?

Do you read these comics? They are standalone, contained stories which reached natural conclusions. Who cares what happens after they're over and the creator (you know, the one whose story you enjoyed?) moves on?

As long as it's not some lame "co-writing" thing where the story just peters out, why should I care who writes X-Force or Uncanny X-Force or X-Force'd Avengers or whatever they want to call it after Remender leaves?

 

[Vyer]

Read a few things from the last few Comixology sales.

I really liked Kevin Smith's Daredevil run, but I just can't get into his versions of Batman. It just seems...off. It's so strange that his Bats seems so out of character, seeing as how much he loves the guy.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Lol at the idea that Remender would somehow run out of stories after 26 issues. There was a time when writers would go over a decade on the same series and keep it fresh and fun. Marvel is just shaking things up and want their talent on Avengers instead of X-Men.

"Guys! I want to keep writing Uncanny X-Force! I have so many more stories to tell!"
"Nope. You turned a garbage franchise into a masterpiece. You're done on this book. Get the fuck out of my office."
"But -- but --"
"You're writing Avengers now."
"NOOOOOOOOO. I HAVE NO IDEAS FOR THEM. *hides secret avengers scripts as they would refute this outburst*"

 

[Supermanisdead]

"Guys! I want to keep writing Uncanny X-Force! I have so many more stories to tell!"
"Nope. You turned a garbage franchise into a masterpiece. You're done on this book. Get the fuck out of my office."
"But -- but --"
"You're writing Avengers now."
"NOOOOOOOOO. I HAVE NO IDEAS FOR THEM. *hides secret avengers scripts as they would refute this outburst*"

More like:

"Hey do you want to launch the brand new Avengers flagship book with Cap, Thor and Wolvie? You'd have to leave XForce."
"Yes, obviously"

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

More like:

"Hey do you want to launch the brand new Avengers flagship book with Cap, Thor and Wolvie? You'd have to leave XForce."
"Yes, obviously"

So either way, "I want to tell these stories more than those stories and I can only tell a certain amount of stories."

They're still Rick Remender stories. What is the problem here? Or do you guys just like these characters not this writer?

 

[ViewtifulJC]

No one wants the good times of UXF to end. If 35 issues is the complete thing, it's the complete thing, but it's becoming clearer from his interviews and twitter account that things HAVE changed from his plan on the original UXF run and he's using his ideas for other books he's been offered. I asked him about Dr. Mindbubble, originally a seed of an idea for UXF and Weapon Plus, has now been moved to Captain America. Clan Akkaba will probably appear in Uncanny Avengers.

In a perfect world, we'd be getting new Remender stories from UXF, Uncanny Avengers, and Cap. Sadly, that is not to be.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

No one wants the good times of UXF to end. If 35 issues is the complete thing, it's the complete thing, but it's becoming clearer from his interviews and twitter account that things HAVE changed from his plan on the original UXF run and he's using his ideas for other books he's been offered. I asked him about Dr. Mindbubble, originally a seed of an idea for UXF and Weapon Plus, has now been moved to Captain America. Clan Akkaba will probably appear in Uncanny Avengers.

In a perfect world, we'd be getting new Remender stories from UXF, Uncanny Avengers, and Cap. Sadly, that is not to be.

I hear you, but like you said, at least we're still getting those ideas.

I don't know, I'm a Remender fan, I'm not a character fan. I love Longshot because of how Claremont wrote him. I have no interest in reading X-Factor because he's in it.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

Steve Trevor.

They need to not reveal shit like this till the story line in which we are lead to believe that STEVE TREVOR IS DEAD, has been finished. I mean shit that plot point basically just happened, but hey here's a new book with Steve Trevor coming in 2013.

 

[sycam0re]

"Relaunch"?

Do you read these comics? They are standalone, contained stories which reached natural conclusions. Who cares what happens after they're over and the creator (you know, the one whose story you enjoyed?) moves on?

As long as it's not some lame "co-writing" thing where the story just peters out, why should I care who writes X-Force or Uncanny X-Force or X-Force'd Avengers or whatever they want to call it after Remender leaves?

Where's the confusion? It's a relaunch. It's part of Marvel NOW!. Its going to have a new #1. They're relaunching the title. Everyone except you is calling it a relaunch and you're the only one who is confused by that.

I've clearly said that I understand and accept Remender's departure, but the writer they're putting on to follow him is far less than ideal. I'm not going to stay on the bus if Daniel Way is behind the wheel.

You're getting way pushed out of shape about this.

 

[Supermanisdead]

I hear you, but like you said, at least we're still getting those ideas.

I don't know, I'm a Remender fan, I'm not a character fan. I love Longshot because of how Claremont wrote him. I have no interest in reading X-Factor because he's in it.

We will get some version of those stories. But we'll be losing the character work on Psylocke, Fantomex, Angel, etc. which has been the best thing for those characters in years. It's perfectly reasonable to want Remender to continue telling these stories in the UXF context so he can keep writing those characters.

 

[tim1138]

I wonder if he will have formed the team out of a broken heart. "Oh yeah, Wonder Woman, take this, I have my OWN Justice League now!!! *cries in the corner*"

I know this will fall on deaf ears because it's hip to dump on Johns and DC, but they started laying the groundwork for this in issues 7 and 8.
In issue 7 the government tried to force Trevor into giving them access to the Watchtower and then in 8 when Trevor offered Ollie a spot on a new team that was more street level and socially conscious.

 

[Spike Spiegel]

"Comic Relief with Mark Waid" (Paste Magazine interview)

The whole thing is absolutely a must-read, but here's the part that drew CBR's attention and thus mine:

Paste: Congratulations on the Eisner wins. That was an impressive haul for Daredevil. At what point did you realize you had something special with that book?

Waid: When the reviews started pouring in for #1 and we weren’t pilloried for ignoring 25 years of tone and making such a radical tonal shift. The last guy who tried straying from the Frank Miller road was Karl Kesel. I think his books were great but they were not well received because they weren’t dark and gritty and crime noir oriented. I get that that’s what Daredevil has been for a very long time, but I think a lot of those tropes are played out and I was eager to bring him back in to the Marvel Universe as a character without given up the street-level stuff. That’s a fine line to walk but I think we’ve walked it. I knew we had something when people didn’t burn us in effigy.

Paste: Do you think that sort of grim tone has permeated superhero comics so thoroughly that…

Waid: Do you read superhero comics? (laughing)

Paste: Not as much as I’d like to anymore.

Waid: The grimness is just absurd. It’s “how do we out-grim each other, how do we out-violence each other”. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not offended because I want comics to be like they were when I was a kid. I don’t care. I don’t want comics to be like they were when I was a kid because I still have my comics. If I need that I’ll go look at those. What I need is for comics to not cheapen out and just do what they think a bunch of bloodthirsty 15 year old fans want. Stop trying to gross us out with blood and violence. It’s just cheap. It’s bad storytelling. I’m not offended on a moral or ethical level, I’m just offended on a creativity level. There are other ways to create tension and drama than to have somebody stabbed through the back with a sword.

Paste: Are publishers’ internal decisions behind those types of comics as cynical as they might seem? Do you think that’s actually what these creators want to create, or do they rationalize it to themselves?

Waid: I think it’s a little bit of both. On a higher level of publishing I think it really is an attempt to do something that they think is right for the market, as misguided as that sounds. I think on a creative, boots on the ground level, for the people who actually have to execute these stories, I think they’re just glad to have jobs. They realize this is just one of those fashionable patterns that will hopefully trail off some day. In the meantime they need a paycheck.

Paste: Do you think a book like Daredevil could potentially enact some kind of change in the attitude of the superhero publishers?

Waid: I don’t know. History will tell. It would be nice if that were the case. Not that I think all comics should be of the same tone. I just think the relentlessness and constant tone of the grimness, despair and hopelessness is just deadening. If our creative success gives anybody else on the fence the creative courage to take that same chance and create their own voice with their book rather than just follow what the marketplace seems to demand, then that’s awesome. We’ll see if that helps.

Paste: It seems like Marvel has a lot of superhero books that aren’t that grim right now, like Dan Slott’s Amazing Spider-Man. Matt Fraction’s Defenders is a lot of fun too.

Waid: It’s somethat Buckley and Quesada both understand that I wish was more understood throughout the industry, and that I appreciate. Not everything that you publish has to be to your personal taste. I’m not limiting this to one publisher, there are dozens of publishers across the industry, and while it’s important that your company has an identity, at the same time not every comic is to every body’s taste. It doesn’t need to be strictly to your taste if you’re the publisher. Not that you should publish stuff you don’t believe in or dislike if you’re a publisher, but put your ego aside long enough to realize that just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean it’s bad. Joe and Dan are really good about that. We’ve had frank discussions. There are things that Marvel publishes that they like, and there are things they publish that they don’t like as much, but it’s not a vanity press. Marvel doesn’t exist just so they can have something to read.

Also, Mark Waid's dream job in comics?

Spoiler

Being Editor-In-Chief.

 

[Owzers]

I stopped reading Brubaker's Daredevil after the Mr Fear arc or whatever, soooooooooo depressing, but then i caught the rest on MDCU. Wish Bru could have just skipped that entire Milla/Fear arc.

Action Comics #10 and #11 were okay, i don't think i'm going to really miss Morrison leaving at #16 but i'm looking forward to the rest of his issues.

 

[kswiston]

35 issues is a decent run. Also, while I am not going to bet the farm that the Way X-Force (if that happens) will be any good, but I remember being disappointed that Uncanny X-Force was replacing the Kyle/Yost book that I was enjoying. Look how that turned out.

Overall, I am pretty excited for Marvel Now. I am sad that Remender is leaving UXF and Hickman is leaving FF/Fantastic Four, but I am looking forward to at least half of what has been announced. The Avengers books should be great, Waid on Hulk sounds like fun, Aaron in Thor has me intrigued, and I am at least curious to see if Bendis can pull off his X-Men story.

 

[Parallax]

"Comic Relief with Mark Waid" (Paste Magazine interview)

The whole thing is absolutely a must-read, but here's the part that drew CBR's attention and thus mine:

Also, Mark Waid's dream job in comics?

Spoiler

Being Editor-In-Chief.

i would fucking love to go back to a simpler time in comics

 

[beastmode]

"Comic Relief with Mark Waid" (Paste Magazine interview)

The whole thing is absolutely a must-read, but here's the part that drew CBR's attention and thus mine:

Also, Mark Waid's dream job in comics?

Spoiler

Being Editor-In-Chief.

So his Daredevil is basically All-Star Superman/Grant Morrison Batman?

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

I kind of want this t-shirt.

http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2012/08/26/geek-gear-the-avengers-rogers-and-stark-2012-shirt/

 

[CorvoSol]

I kind of want this t-shirt.

http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2012/08/26/geek-gear-the-avengers-rogers-and-stark-2012-shirt/

No joke, a guy named Steve Rogers is running for office in Washington State.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

No joke, a guy named Steve Rogers is running for office in Washington State.

Needs to tie Stark in somehow (insanely tangential even) and then order a ton of those shirts.

 

[Sblargh]

Needs to tie Stark in somehow (insanely tangential even) and then order a ton of those shirts.

Brazil is in election time, too.

He calls himself, literally, Wolverine (in Brazil, you don't have to use your real name while on campaign) and the sign says "vote on who has claws" (because here, when we see someone with perserverance, we say he "has claws")

Also, Prof. Moises; the Spider-Man.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Brazil is in election time, too.

He calls himself, literally, Wolverine (in Brazil, you don't have to use your real name while on campaign) and the sign says "vote on who has claws" (because here, when we see someone with perserverance, we say he "has claws")

Works for me.

Surprised more here don't invoke The Punisher. lol

 

[BaroqueSampson]

I like calling him Eric Fail.

Sorry, but we don't know anything about Sam Alexander? How can we pass judgment upon him?

 

[Spike Spiegel]

Sorry, but we don't know anything about Sam Alexander? How can we pass judgment upon him?

"He's a Jeph Loeb creation! He's named after his dead son! He's in that horrible Spider-Man cartoon! He said "EPIC FAIL" in his first appearance ever! Blaaah!!!"

Given the things fanboys usually freak out over, that's actually quite a lot.

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

JLA has a sweet lineup, Vibe and Stargirl. An Arabic GL probably from Deerborn Michigan. Hawkman finally being written by Johns again. This is Obama's America.


Gonna beat BC to a scoop here, Johns will leave GL instead of Aquaman.

 

[BaroqueSampson]

As a huge fan of Richard Rider and the Nova Corps, and someone who hasn't seen aforementioned godawful spider-man cartoon, I'm still optimistic. He's getting an ongoing with NOW, right?

 

[tim1138]

JLA has a sweet lineup, Vibe and Stargirl. An Arabic GL probably from Deerborn Michigan. Hawkman finally being written by Johns again. This is Obama's America.


Gonna beat BC to a scoop here, Johns will leave GL instead of Aquaman.

As much as it pains me to say, I have a feeling his Aquaman run is like his pre Flashpoint run on the Flash-reestablish the character and his mythology and let someone else take over.

 

[CorvoSol]

The new Nova is often referred to as FailNova. Cause he sucks.

I thought it was because he cried "Epic Fail" while running from the Phoenix?

Brazil is in election time, too.

He calls himself, literally, Wolverine (in Brazil, you don't have to use your real name while on campaign) and the sign says "vote on who has claws" (because here, when we see someone with perserverance, we say he "has claws")

Also, Prof. Moises; the Spider-Man.

Election time in Brazil is such a crazy, crazy thing. I was there for the Presidential and Deputado Estadual race. Oh man, that's so crazy. "Do you know what a State Deputy does? I don't. Vote for me and I'll tell you!"

 

[Owzers]

Animal man 11 was decent, still slow as always

 

[NawidA]

But the idea that Remender would be kicked off or end his story prematurely is just bonkers to me.

Frankencastle ended with a perfect conclusion. Why would this be any different? Do people just not follow Remender and are just on board UXF because it's like "hot" and "k" "e" "w" "l"?

Frankencastle was cut short. Way short.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Frankencastle was cut short. Way short.

I think Marvel tells their writers to say, "Yeah, this was the whole story, don't worry about it being cancelled". The most obvious example of this was Jason Aaron's PunisherMAX, where in one interview (during the Frank story) he said he wasn't done yet after his upcoming Kingpin stories. Then, later on when the sales were shit, it was all, "oh no, the Kingpin is the last story, full circle, all that jazz"

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Sorry, but we don't know anything about Sam Alexander? How can we pass judgment upon him?

Fan:
I just read a complaint on here about Jeph Loeb's characterization of Nova. But considering Nova looked even smaller than Richard Rider, is it possible that the Nova in Point One wasn't Rich at all, but instead someone who actually would say "Epic Fail?"

Brevoort:
I think it would be funny if his real name was Eric Fail.

Even despite Loeb I was curious about the new Nova, but his portrayal in Point One short as it may have been, was downright poisonous. The USM cartoon version also has yet to be any more than the token cocky douche character so while I agree with not being to hasty my magic eight ball isn't optimistic.

 

[SpiderJerusalem]

I hope they leave Aquaman alone. I'm so glad he's back...

SOMETHING of Marvel has to suffer in order for us to get Hickman on Avengers and New Avengers.

I'm not sure yet but I don't think I'm buying any Avengers stuff so I'm losing all my Xbooks except maybe X-factor? :/

 

[NawidA]

I think Marvel tells their writers to say, "Yeah, this was the whole story, don't worry about it being cancelled". The most obvious example of this was Jason Aaron's PunisherMAX, where in one interview (during the Frank story) he said he wasn't done yet after his upcoming Kingpin stories. Then, later on when the sales were shit, it was all, "oh no, the Kingpin is the last story, full circle, all that jazz"

Same thing with SHIELD. No way it was supposed to only go twelve issues.

 

[Troll]

Comic-Gaf. Give me your top run of all time. Ever. Only pick one.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Same thing with SHIELD. No way it was supposed to only go twelve issues.

I can't imagine how it went past 6, man that sucked. Bleh, I hate that I waste money on it.

 

[slightconfuse]

well al least PAD is still on x-factor and jason aarron is on WXTM. Remenders run on UXF is amazing but he seems to be going out on his own terms.

Johns and bendis can be very hit or miss. johns aquaman is one of the highlights of the new 52 while JL is garbage. Bendis alais and ultimate spiderman are great are great while avengers dips in quality

 

[Silexx]

Do we even know that Way is continuing the vision set by Remender? What's the new X-Force about? It's not even keeping the same title, is it? For that matter, is Way/Garza X-Force anything more than a RUMOR at this point?

Just got back from the Fan Expo. I attended at least 3 Marvel panels and the most consistent message that came out concerning the Marvel NOW creative shakeups is that they want the new creative teams on all the books to be taking a different approach from their predecessors.

You're right that Way on X-Force is but a rumour at this point, but if this does pan out, the very mandate of Marvel's editorial dept. will be to have Way do something different from Remender's run.