Fan service. I remember the reactions when they first showed some Giger-like designs.
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brandonh83
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haha in the big documentary Spaihts is clearly perturbed about Fox bringing in Lindelof. I mean, some bad writing aside I think I like Damon bringing in the religious stuff and expanding things beyond it being just a straight up Alien prequel, but I'm convinced that Jon's draft would at least have been a lot more steady and coherent.
That's what I don't get. I think Erigu is right. It was simply a nod to Geiger and nothing more
SCULLIBUNDO
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You guys are obviously missing the very obvious answer that Jesus was a Xenomorph. That's why the mural has Jesomorph spread out all cross and nail-like.
Then Shaw (the woman who couldn't possibly conceive) all of a sudden has an immaculate conception and dawns the resurrection of our lord and savior the Jesomorph.
I for one can't wait to see the Engineer's mural of the last supper.
I noticed the same thing ! He clearly thinks Lindelof shit on his script
so maybe that Engineer they woke up was just really hungover?
CadetMahoney
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Nah that can't be right, the murals/wall paintings show facehuggers on the engineers too. The film isn't that bad it would have all that and it not mean anything (other than fan service). Plus the eggs on the original derelict in Alien.
Could very well be a mere nod to this Giger illustration:
Pretty much the same thing, really:
It's written by Damon Lindelof.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Are you sure?
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
His whole 'Hey maybe it would be fun if we made it so Bladerunner and Alien were the same universe' smugness lately really has me convinced he's losing his mind.
That and his constant hinting/pimping the idea of Ford returning for the next Bladerunner film. I never knew Ridley to be a fan service whore. Bleh.
That and his constant hinting/pimping the idea of Ford returning for the next Bladerunner film. I never knew Ridley to be a fan service whore. Bleh.
That one annoys me, too. Like, those movies are the sole property of Scott because he directed them, so he'll connect them if he wants to, damnit! Ridleyverse!
Yeah, no.
Watched a bit of the making of...
"They are religious. The whole story is about who made them. God made them."
Oh, shut up.
Yay. I am so excited right now.
I think this idea makes about a bajillion more times sense than the Prometheus script did. Seriously.
... I'm not even really sure that there's anything inherently contradictory about the idea, even if you include the Alien sequels.
... Hell, I think it makes more sense than Alien + Predator.
It's not the potential contradictions that bother me, but the way Scott seems to consider he gets to decide for those movies' writers.
I mean, it already annoys me when Lucas acts like he made all of Star Wars all by himself, so here...
I think there's a big difference here. Being additive to the mythos is not inherently a bad thing. I'd argue it's not even a bad thing if the additions are bad (no quantity of shitty sequels, prequels, or crossovers will ever taint Alien for me). And I think Ridley Scott is at the very least more entitled to create crossover fic in film form than anyone who was ever involved in Alien vs. Predator in any medium.
George Lucas is subtractive to his own mythos, and that is a bad thing. He wants to freeze it and prevent any vision but his own from existing.
George Lucas is subtractive to his own mythos, and that is a bad thing. He wants to freeze it and prevent any vision but his own from existing.
SCULLIBUNDO
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That's not my problem with it at all. It's the fact that he's making such a big deal out of it. Should have been a throwaway line like 'Yeah, they could technically be the same universe. That's a neat thought.' But he seems to think the idea is fucking genius and that only tells me where his expectations bar is at for the rest of his ideas.
Same thing for me. I have no problem ignoring shitty sequels (as long as the original was its own stand-alone story, anyway).
Well, when you put it that way, sure! ^^;
But when I read Scott's interviews regarding Prometheus, his thoughts on the premise, the themes, science and so on... well, I'd put them only marginally above "fucking magnets, how the fuck do they work?" level. I see that, and I think "fuck, I don't want that guy to write science fiction."
So all this "Ridleyverse" talk sounds quite arrogant to me. It's like he's taking too much credit for Alien and Blade Runner, and Prometheus got made because he figured "hey, I can totally come up with great sci-fi premises, too!" And I imagine nobody could tell him otherwise (which would be another unfortunate similarity with Lucas).
So, basically, it's not so much that I'm worried about what could come out of this Ridleyverse talk (hell, that would just mean more movies to mock or ignore, and the Alien franchise has already given me a bunch of practice in that area), it's more a matter of principle.
Well, it's not like they've actually done anything with that (yet?).
... Unless you count those Blu-ray blurbs, I guess, but like I think you pointed out yourself (?), all that extra material might just as well have been put together by some intern...
All fair enough, I suppose. I think Ridley Scott has some pretty fantastic vision, personally, that's often been marred by poor execution (on his part and others'). I think Alien is the closest to perfection he's ever achieved, so I have no problem calling it his baby in some sense. Much as I like Bladerunner there are things about it that I find very clunky and I don't think it's aged anywhere near as well, but I think in both these cases his vision shone through clearly.
I don't think it's a very science-oriented vision (and I don't think it was when he made those two either). Maybe that's why it took him so long to return to SF, and why it was so mediocre when he did.
I don't think it's a very science-oriented vision (and I don't think it was when he made those two either). Maybe that's why it took him so long to return to SF, and why it was so mediocre when he did.
SCULLIBUNDO
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It's an awful, awful thing to say and I don't mean to be disrespectful, but it would be ironic if the Blade Runner sequel was his next film considering he launched himself into the first film after losing his brother and wanting the film to completely dominate his time to get over it.
Damn, didn't know that he has lost two brothers. Poor guy.
symphonask
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Yep, and judging by the few pics of actors on set, Javier Bardem looks crazier in that than in Skyfall.
Incidentally, anyone here read the script for The Counselor? Any good?
Fassbender, Pitt, Bardem? Damn sick cast
Liquidsnake
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But we are talking about a movie that is 30 years old. It holds up amazingly well. There are movies from he 90's that look more dated no?
symphonask
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I have difficulty in saying that Blade Runner has aged. Everything - the art-deco future and neo noir wardrobe to the heavy synth soundtrack - is so deliberate; the atmosphere it creates is so dense. I think very few director's realized their vision so completely as when Scott did with Blade Runner.
It's easy to tell that Blade Runner is a product of its time (and all the better for it), whereas Alien has a more timeless feel (which again, it's all the better for). Saying the word 'aged' has connotations that the movie has lost some of it's lustre, which couldn't be further from the truth. If anything, Blade Runner gets better with age.
It's easy to tell that Blade Runner is a product of its time (and all the better for it), whereas Alien has a more timeless feel (which again, it's all the better for). Saying the word 'aged' has connotations that the movie has lost some of it's lustre, which couldn't be further from the truth. If anything, Blade Runner gets better with age.
CadetMahoney
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funny gif. . . seems to exceed bandwidth every now and then though so haven't tagged it:
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ThisWreckage
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The script is a hot mess, which is a shame because the film got so many things right.
I'd also like to weigh in on the whole "old man Guy Pearce" thing. I am staunchly against make up when it comes to aging actors. They could have cast an extremely old actor and it would have been more efficient.
I'd also like to weigh in on the whole "old man Guy Pearce" thing. I am staunchly against make up when it comes to aging actors. They could have cast an extremely old actor and it would have been more efficient.
Instigator
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It's the same problem as the Matrix Reloaded. And it didn't deliver with Revolution.
Scott has made several awesome films. He can maybe do it again. I would like to see him try over anyone else outside of Cameron.
SCULLIBUNDO
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He needs a good writer to bounce off of. He needs to be working with Alex Garland.
We can only dream. The slasher bullshit that fucked up Sunshine, would have been okay in Prometheus.
I just watched Alien today. No script is going to make Scott 30 years younger.
Look at the second half of Alien. It is like three or four lines of dialogue. If Scott does not understand what made the first film so great, I just cannot imagine he will whip it out now.
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i saw prometheus the other day, eh it's ok too star trekkie for me, a GIANT squid, really? i don't care if a few of giger's paintings depicted a squid like being it just looks odd
so then i thought ok so i will accept for a minute that this is a standalone film fair enough, so now i will buy into the squids, but the CGI looked bad, in a few years time it will look awful, P.S this is not Lovecraft guys
i read the other day that someone elses screenplay had the facehuggers, and i wish this version was made instead
seriously what was up with the engineers flute part, ugh this is not zelda the movie
and the baby alien looked offish at the end
Did we really need to see what was under the engineers exoskelaton?
did anyone else wish this film had more horror/chase sequences?
Praises:
The Abortion scene : everything about that scene was really F*cking excellent and creepy one of my favourtie scenes up until it was a baby squid alien and then i was like :/ oh really?, *sigh* ok ( i am aware how corny and bad the baby alien now comes across from the first alien film when it bursts out and runs away but at least it wasnt a squid thats my only complaint about the whole scene) and then when she staples herself back WOW nasty,
a good homage to the first film chestburster scene.
Vickers Turning the flamethrower on the infected holloway was absolutley cold and brutal
great!
The engineer briefly chasing shaw on the ship, I wish this was a bit longer or if they had the baby alien at the end chasing shaw off the ship but she never quite sees it and she doesn't know what she is running from, only something far worse and more deadly than the engineers
David was great although again in a previous script he was written as even more of a absurd b*stard
ahh found the article, apparently the previous script im reffering to was written by
john spaihts
"Spaihts says an unconscious Holloway gets facehugged in the chamber. Back on the ship and unaware, he has sex with Shaw and "it's while they're making love that he bursts and dies. So that lovemaking sequence echoed my original lovemaking sequence where he explodes! It was messy."
and The other scene involves Michael Fassbender's David character being more malevolent: "Shaw goes to stop him and David ties her up and deliberately exposes her to a facehugger… David doesn't smell like a person - his breath isn't moist - so he can handle the thing like a kitten. It doesn't want him; it's not interested. But then he exposes it to her and it goes for her like a shot. He toys with her for a bit and then lets it take her. That, in my draft, was how Shaw was implanted with the parasite that she had to remove with the medpod sequence."
wow that sounded awesome why didnt they make that version
i saw prometheus the other day, eh it's ok too star trekkie for me, a GIANT squid, really? i don't care if a few of giger's paintings depicted a squid like being it just looks odd
so then i thought ok so i will accept for a minute that this is a standalone film fair enough, so now i will buy into the squids, but the CGI looked bad, in a few years time it will look awful, P.S this is not Lovecraft guys
i read the other day that someone elses screenplay had the facehuggers, and i wish this version was made instead
seriously what was up with the engineers flute part, ugh this is not zelda the movie
and the baby alien looked offish at the end
Did we really need to see what was under the engineers exoskelaton?
did anyone else wish this film had more horror/chase sequences?
Praises:
The Abortion scene : everything about that scene was really F*cking excellent and creepy one of my favourtie scenes up until it was a baby squid alien and then i was like :/ oh really?, *sigh* ok ( i am aware how corny and bad the baby alien now comes across from the first alien film when it bursts out and runs away but at least it wasnt a squid thats my only complaint about the whole scene) and then when she staples herself back WOW nasty,
a good homage to the first film chestburster scene.
Vickers Turning the flamethrower on the infected holloway was absolutley cold and brutal
great!
The engineer briefly chasing shaw on the ship, I wish this was a bit longer or if they had the baby alien at the end chasing shaw off the ship but she never quite sees it and she doesn't know what she is running from, only something far worse and more deadly than the engineers
David was great although again in a previous script he was written as even more of a absurd b*stard
ahh found the article, apparently the previous script im reffering to was written by
john spaihts
"Spaihts says an unconscious Holloway gets facehugged in the chamber. Back on the ship and unaware, he has sex with Shaw and "it's while they're making love that he bursts and dies. So that lovemaking sequence echoed my original lovemaking sequence where he explodes! It was messy."
and The other scene involves Michael Fassbender's David character being more malevolent: "Shaw goes to stop him and David ties her up and deliberately exposes her to a facehugger… David doesn't smell like a person - his breath isn't moist - so he can handle the thing like a kitten. It doesn't want him; it's not interested. But then he exposes it to her and it goes for her like a shot. He toys with her for a bit and then lets it take her. That, in my draft, was how Shaw was implanted with the parasite that she had to remove with the medpod sequence."
wow that sounded awesome why didnt they make that version
brandonh83
Banned
Yes. This is why I was pissed that they cut the Shaw vs. Engineer scene short. The extended version is better-- not great-- but definitely an improvement.
Watched the movie again Thursday, and finally read the rest of this thread.
I've come to the conclusion:
-Humans are a biological mistake, the result of Engineers experimenting with the black-goo (biological weapon - though calling it a weapon is going far, since we have no idea what it was really intended for).
-Thus, Engineer in act 3 questions "What are you doing here". It would make sense Earth is a contained habitat for that "biological mistake", how did they find the installation? Perhaps it understood Weyland in the deleted scene... and scene was taken out since whoever edited the movie wanted to make it more ambiguous.
---Hey, but no... What makes you think the opening scene was on Earth?---
-As someone stated in previous post, original script had proto-humans in opening scene inhaling remnants of contaminated Engineer that fell into waterfall. It was probably taken out and the DNA multiplication scene was inserted to give the same effect.
I also agree Xenomorphs from Alien are a result of Shaw & Engineer inter-species mingling at the end.
---Dude, but the mural---
-No... forget about the mural. As someone said, it's fan service. For one, the mural is just too small to make out in the actual movie. Second, anyone who picks up on the reference of the facehugger obviously has Giggers artwork. Therefore (according to most filmmakers) moviegoers can not be expected to come to the conclusion that there are actual facehuggers on that planet.
-Also, if there are facehuggers, where are the eggs? If there were facehuggers, and this installation being abandoned, one would thing the huggers (over 2000 years without hibernation) would have found their way around the planet, infected Engineers in stasis in remaining ships, and run amok. Especially if a team of humans (Alien) so easily stumbled upon them and became infected.
Finally...
Since after the final scene, the proto-xenomorph is running around, which is obviously a queen of sorts. I think either a new crew of humans has to be sent for this queen to be sustained (Prometheus II) since it needs a host. That, or there are cadavers or survivors from the hammerhead ship that crashed (did the Engineer really kill Weyland's researchers that easily? Could some have limped away... unlikely). As stated earlier, if there are other ships, perhaps theres other engineers. In Alien, we see an Engineer as the space-jockey in the famous scene. So maybe proto-xenomorph made it to that particular ship. Anywho... who knows.
I still hate this movie. It suffers from too much editing. Rather than cut those scenes, the should have redone them to flow better with the pacing.
I've come to the conclusion:
-Humans are a biological mistake, the result of Engineers experimenting with the black-goo (biological weapon - though calling it a weapon is going far, since we have no idea what it was really intended for).
-Thus, Engineer in act 3 questions "What are you doing here". It would make sense Earth is a contained habitat for that "biological mistake", how did they find the installation? Perhaps it understood Weyland in the deleted scene... and scene was taken out since whoever edited the movie wanted to make it more ambiguous.
---Hey, but no... What makes you think the opening scene was on Earth?---
-As someone stated in previous post, original script had proto-humans in opening scene inhaling remnants of contaminated Engineer that fell into waterfall. It was probably taken out and the DNA multiplication scene was inserted to give the same effect.
I also agree Xenomorphs from Alien are a result of Shaw & Engineer inter-species mingling at the end.
---Dude, but the mural---
-No... forget about the mural. As someone said, it's fan service. For one, the mural is just too small to make out in the actual movie. Second, anyone who picks up on the reference of the facehugger obviously has Giggers artwork. Therefore (according to most filmmakers) moviegoers can not be expected to come to the conclusion that there are actual facehuggers on that planet.
-Also, if there are facehuggers, where are the eggs? If there were facehuggers, and this installation being abandoned, one would thing the huggers (over 2000 years without hibernation) would have found their way around the planet, infected Engineers in stasis in remaining ships, and run amok. Especially if a team of humans (Alien) so easily stumbled upon them and became infected.
Finally...
Since after the final scene, the proto-xenomorph is running around, which is obviously a queen of sorts. I think either a new crew of humans has to be sent for this queen to be sustained (Prometheus II) since it needs a host. That, or there are cadavers or survivors from the hammerhead ship that crashed (did the Engineer really kill Weyland's researchers that easily? Could some have limped away... unlikely). As stated earlier, if there are other ships, perhaps theres other engineers. In Alien, we see an Engineer as the space-jockey in the famous scene. So maybe proto-xenomorph made it to that particular ship. Anywho... who knows.
I still hate this movie. It suffers from too much editing. Rather than cut those scenes, the should have redone them to flow better with the pacing.
Watching the deleted scenes is really interesting. Is it okay to talk about all this in this thread? One thing I still don't get is Halloway's character. Why is he so pissed once they find out some aliens are dead? He's been searching for some proof of alien life his whole life, he finds it, and now he's pissed? They find advanced tech, a new species of worm-thing, a dead humanoid alien, and more ruins to be explored but he acts like they found nothing? Doesn't make sense.
Oh my that was great.
So I haven't followed the Blu-Ray/DVD release, as I didn't plan to pick it up because of how I felt about the movie; does it actually answer questions, or dodge them? Is there still a likely chance of a sequel?
The idea is that he wanted to find live aliens. Talk to them. Stand alongside them. Etc.
I'll let you decide whether it rings true that he'd be so disappointed with what they do find, though
I tend to agree though, I think it's a bit overdone.The idea is that he wanted to find live aliens. Talk to them. Stand alongside them. Etc.
I'll let you decide whether it rings true that he'd be so disappointed with what they do find, though
I totally get that he wanted to find living aliens but the wealth of what they did discover would be enough to make any scientist of any kind happy. He went from looking at cave paintings on earth to finding Alien bodies and technology. I think his anger was way overdone.
He's the worst character in the movie by far and seems to be entirely the result of Lindelof's rewrites. He even spouts off Lindeloff dialog in the deleted scenes like "The earth was a Petri dish!" In Spaihts draft he was much older and Shaw was a student of his at Uni. Nothing like the petulant hot head we find in this movie. The guy who plays him seems to be exactly this way in real life. I want to know whose dick he sucked to get cast in this movie
Holy shit I'm pissing myself
Wow the Peter Weyland files under Quiet Eye: Elizabeth Shaw on the blu-ray completely contradict the events of the movie. The file states that Weyland Corp has detected a faint, almost imperceptible signal emanating from one of the lesser moons of the system, that moon being LV426. And David will be programmed to know about LV426 and the rest of the crew - including Meredith - will know nothing about the transmission they've received until the time is right.
How could there be a Juggernaut on LV426 w/ a cargo of eggs when the Xeno at the end of Prometheus is the very first of its kind?
How could there be a Juggernaut on LV426 w/ a cargo of eggs when the Xeno at the end of Prometheus is the very first of its kind?
Well, what is the mural of the alien then? Plot hole, of course...
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