Apple's October 23 Event | We've got a little more to show you.

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xxracerxx said:
Not really, I just see you more of an Apple consumer. All they are doing is changing the release schedule and now you can basically go back to getting a new iPad once a year (which is a really high rate).
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What's an early adopter of a product in your eyes? Just curious.
 
Matrix said:
What's an early adopter of a product in your eyes? Just curious.
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You are an early adopter of the iPad on the very first one, that much is true. But if you buy one every year, you know what is coming basically. But there are variations, like from the iPod brick to the iPod touch, but then if you had already had an iPhone you are not an early adopter of the touch.

Someone who buys an iPad mini right out of the gate I would almost not even consider an early adopter.

Just because you buy something day 1 does not mean you are necessarily an early adopter in my eyes.
 
Matrix said:
First time Ive ever been really disgusted by apple and I'm an apple whore.

iPad 3 already replaced... lol incredible.

No more early adopter stuff for me. I don't trust them without Jobs around any longer after this move.
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I think from Apple's perspective, if they released a new iPad this holiday, iPad 3 owners would not upgrade, they are not expecting people to upgrade every six months or even every twelve months. This new iPad is really for people on the verge of getting one.

Hell im using an iPad 2 and its absolutely fine for browsing... and its only a year and a half old - feels old but its not.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Every reference to people wanting a thinner display is from wall mounting and how it will look there. I never see anyone complain about the thickness when putting it simply on a stand. I think you're wrong on this one. There's no evidence that suggests people want a thin display for no reason other than aesthetics outside of a wall mount.
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Do you think laminating the LCD to the glass makes a difference visually? Do you think people don't want laminated displays, which happen to make displays thinner?
 
renitou said:
Buying a new iPad every year makes you something.
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Yea I already called myself an apple whore. Though I also tend to trade/sell my older iPad. It's not like I still have the 1 and 2 sitting around my house. I just am not doing it this time.


"I think from Apple's perspective, if they released a new iPad this holiday, iPad 3 owners would not upgrade, they are not expecting people to upgrade every six months or even every twelve months. This new iPad is really for people on the verge of getting one."

It just stinks, I despite being the apple whore could have waited 6 extra months to go from the 2 to 4. I guess I haven't really kept up with all the rumors, I knew the mini was coming (actually have no desire for it), but this was just like wut

"You are an early adopter of the iPad on the very first one, that much is true. But if you buy one every year, you know what is coming basically. But there are variations, like from the iPod brick to the iPod touch, but then if you had already had an iPhone you are not an early adopter of the touch."

I guess I just didn't see this coming, I guess I should have since they have started doing it with touches and phones. Then again I'm clearly not the only one who feels this way about the quicker move from 3 to 4.
 
arbok26 said:
I think from Apple's perspective, if they released a new iPad this holiday, iPad 3 owners would not upgrade, they are not expecting people to upgrade every six months or even every twelve months. This new iPad is really for people on the verge of getting one.
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I'm loathe to admit it, but this point nails it, because we probably weren't going to get anything different in March. Existing iPad users have something new to buy, people who want something smaller/cheaper have something new to buy, and there's no "but wait 'til March" sentiment.

I'd love to see a new iPad chassis but I have to admit it's pretty unlikely to happen until they can reduce power consumption enough to cut down on battery capacity. That means we're waiting on a die-shrink (smaller A6 -> lower power consumption -> smaller battery needed for same "battery life")...which is far more likely to happen late 2013 than in the near future.
 
If its any consolation, Matrix, I do not see this as a trend. I think it was necessary in Apple's view to get the lightning connector out there on the flagship iPad, and beneficial to get the refresh cycle moved to Fall.

I'm not expecting the 5th gen iPad until next October.
 
Tobor said:
If its any consolation, Matrix, I do not see this as a trend. I think it was necessary in Apple's view to get the lightning connector out there on the flagship iPad, and beneficial to get the refresh cycle moved to Fall.

I'm not expecting the 5th gen iPad until next October.
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Yup.
 
Looks like iBooks has been updated.

iBooks (iTunes Link)

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• Scroll vertically through your books with the flick of a finger using the new Scroll theme
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• Look up definitions for words in German, Spanish, French, Japanese and Simplified Chinese with iOS 6
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numble said:
Do you think laminating the LCD to the glass makes a difference visually? Do you think people don't want laminated displays, which happen to make displays thinner?
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I think most people don't even know what a laminated display is, so what makes you think that they would know they would want one? You're also going down the wrong avenue of the discussion on this.
 
Tobor said:
If its any consolation, Matrix, I do not see this as a trend. I think it was necessary in Apple's view to get the lightning connector out there on the flagship iPad, and beneficial to get the refresh cycle moved to Fall.

I'm not expecting the 5th gen iPad until next October.
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Almost definitely this.
 
Crazymoogle said:
I'm loathe to admit it, but this point nails it, because we probably weren't going to get anything different in March. Existing iPad users have something new to buy, people who want something smaller/cheaper have something new to buy, and there's no "but wait 'til March" sentiment.

I'd love to see a new iPad chassis but I have to admit it's pretty unlikely to happen until they can reduce power consumption enough to cut down on battery capacity. That means we're waiting on a die-shrink (smaller A6 -> lower power consumption -> smaller battery needed for same "battery life")...which is far more likely to happen late 2013 than in the near future.
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If they didn't put out this small refresh, I would've expected a new chassis that looks like the mini (incl. a laminated display) for March. In fact, that's retty much the reason I'm kinda disappointed with this refresh, because I was hoping for a new look. The shape and edges look so much more comfortable to holc, than the sharper ones of the iPad 2/3. I definitely would've preferred to wait few months longer for a real upgrade.
 
Matrix said:
I guess I just didn't see this coming, I guess I should have since they have started doing it with touches and phones. Then again I'm clearly not that only one who feels this way about the quicker move from 3 to 4.
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people who bought the iPad 3 would definitely feel a little aggreieved, but know that your device is still really good and we are likely not to see the benefits of the A6 chip for a while anyway (unless you are a real racing 3 fiend, which would be a small percentage of users)

From a business perspective, Apple would make more money releasing an updated iPad for the holiday season than holding off because a number of iPad 3 users would be mad at them for releasing an updated model, however I still thought that with the iPhone, iMac, iPod and iPad mini upgrades they really had enough out there.

I liked it better when they had the iPhone update in October and the iPad update in March.... now it feels a bit too close together.

Perhaps they are opening the March media event up for Apple TV stuff or a new camera.
 
Tobor said:
If its any consolation, Matrix, I do not see this as a trend. I think it was necessary in Apple's view to get the lightning connector out there on the flagship iPad, and beneficial to get the refresh cycle moved to Fall.

I'm not expecting the 5th gen iPad until next October.
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Yea that makes perfect sense, still this stings a little.

"I liked it better when they had the iPhone update in October and the iPad update in March.... now it feels a bit too close together."

Totally agree with this.

Also at this point I too am really curious to see what they have in store for the next March event. The rumored Apple tv set has to show itself one day... right? lol
 
Marty Chinn said:
I think most people don't even know what a laminated display is, so what makes you think that they would know they would want one? You're also going down the wrong avenue of the discussion on this.
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I think most people can see the difference with a laminated display, it doesn't matter if they know how the display was manufactured to make it look that way. Are you saying that the iPhone 4/4S lamination and iPhone 5/iPod Touch in-cell sensor doesn't make a difference visually? People would rather not have it?
 
NYR said:
S'up.

Sold my 3rd gen 64 GIG yesterday for $600. $100 upgrade fee for something I use everyday? I got this.
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Yea I can easily do this, just not sure about it this time. This is usually what I do.
 
numble said:
I think most people can see the difference with a laminated display, it doesn't matter if they know how the display was manufactured to make it look that way. Are you saying that the iPhone 4/4S lamination and iPhone 5/iPod Touch in-cell sensor doesn't make a difference visually? People would rather not have it?
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Given the number of people who bought HDTVs to watch SD content and still thought it was HD, and given the number of people who like LCD panels which are worse than plasma displays, and the number of people who watch streaming sports online and don't see the difference between a live broadcast in quality, and the number of people who buy movies off iTunes and think the quality is as good as a Blu Ray, yes it doesn't surprise me that people don't know and wouldn't care unless you explicitly pointed it out to them and even then might only care because they have a mindset that it's different rather than it actually being in their face and obvious to them.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Given the number of people who bought HDTVs to watch SD content and still thought it was HD, and given the number of people who like LCD panels which are worse than plasma displays, and the number of people who watch streaming sports online and don't see the difference between a live broadcast in quality, and the number of people who buy movies off iTunes and think the quality is as good as a Blu Ray, yes it doesn't surprise me that people don't know and wouldn't care unless you explicitly pointed it out to them and even then might only care because they have a mindset that it's different rather than it actually being in their face and obvious to them.
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You are confusing quality of the video with quality of the display.
 
Hesitant to upgrade 3rd to 4th gen. Not sure if I care enough about the horsepower to justify the hassle plus ~$100 difference. Camera means nothing to me. Fuck it, I'll probably do it. Seems like they are probably shifting the cycle to Fall.

Mini looks beautiful but I use mine on the couch 80% of the time and I love the full size display.
 
Marty Chinn said:
I also listed in there LCD vs plasma so I'm covering both. The point is people tend to not see these things and tech interested people over emphasize the importance.
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I don't think people chose LCD over plasma when the price was the same, plasma always just came at a heavy premium.

I think people do tend to notice the quality of the display, it doesn't matter if people put cheaper content on it. If you don't think display quality matters, do you think people whining over lack of retina are crazy (in iPad mini, and even in iMac), or if they had put in a non-IPS 3GS-like display?
 
Treefingers said:
lol the shots on the iMac page are reeeeaaally misleading. Genius angle work.
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When Phil was showing it off he said "Let me turn it just a liiiiitle bit" and made sure the camera only saw the edge. Then when he turned it around 180 he did it quickly so you couldn't tell. Even the website doesn't seem to mention the actual thickness.

lol
 
Has this been posted?

Apple's New 'Fusion Drive' Not a Typical Hybrid Drive

Ars Technica compares it to an enterprise feature called Automated Tiered Storage.
In a caching solution, like Intel's, files live on the hard disk drive and are temporarily mirrored to the SSD cache as needed. In an enterprise auto-tiering situation, and with Fusion Drive, the data is actually moved from one tier to another, rather than only being temporarily cached there.

The Mac Observer reports that there are two separate drives that appear as one logical partition. As a result, if your Hard Drive fails, it could be replaced with a 3rd party drive and reconfigured as a Fusion Drive.

Meanwhile, they note that all writes take place on the SSD drive, and are later moved to the mechanical drive if needed, resulting in faster initial writes. The Fusion will be available for the new iMac and new Mac mini models announced today.
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Apple Releases Major Final Cut Pro X Update with Dual Viewers, Multichannel Audio Tools, RED Camera Support and More

• Expand multichannel audio files directly in the timeline for precise editing of individual audio channels
• Unified import window for transferring media from both file-based cameras and folders of files
• Redesigned Share interface for exporting projects and range selections to one or more destinations
• RED camera support with native REDCODE RAW editing and optional background transcode to Apple ProRes
• MXF plug-in support that allows you to work natively with MXF files from import through delivery using third-party plug-ins
• Dual viewers, each with a video scope display, let you compare shots to match action and color
• Option to add chapter markers in the timeline for export to video files, DVD, and Blu-ray disc
• Range selection now preserves start and end points in the Event Browser and allows you to create multiple range selections on a single clip
• Paste attributes window lets you choose specific effects to copy between clips
• Flexible Clip Connections allow you to keep Connected Clips in place when slipping, sliding or moving clips in the Primary Storyline
• Add a freeze frame to your timeline with a single keystroke
• Drop shadow effect with intuitive onscreen controls to adjust position, edge falloff, angle, and more
• New controls for combining audio from multiple angles within a Multicam Clip
• Compound Clip creation in the timeline now saves the clip in the Event Browser for re-use in other projects
• XML 1.2 featuring metadata import and export for richer integration with third-party apps
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numble said:
I don't think people chose LCD over plasma when the price was the same, plasma always just came at a heavy premium.
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Plasma is cheaper than LCD and has been for a long time.

I think people do tend to notice the quality of the display, it doesn't matter if people put cheaper content on it. If you don't think display quality matters, do you think people whining over lack of retina are crazy (in iPad mini, and even in iMac), or if they had put in a non-IPS 3GS-like display?
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Who is whining? Tech geeks? So everything they say is now gospel? Or are you trying to say the iPad Mini won't sell so well because everyone wants a Retina display on it? I think your average person only notices when a buzz word is thrown at them, or someone tells them, or they do a side by side. I'm not saying nobody notices, but I think you're over estimating how obvious it is to most people. The fact that they can't see the video examples above or care about plasma over LCD just shows the visual quality be it the source or the display isn't as obvious to a lot of people. Right now you sound like someone trying to argue in favor of Super Audio CD.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Plasma is cheaper than LCD and has been for a long time.

Who is whining? Tech geeks? So everything they say is now gospel? Or are you trying to say the iPad Mini won't sell so well because everyone wants a Retina display on it? I think your average person only notices when a buzz word is thrown at them, or someone tells them, or they do a side by side. I'm not saying nobody notices, but I think you're over estimating how obvious it is to most people. The fact that they can't see the video examples above or care about plasma over LCD just shows the visual quality be it the source or the display isn't as obvious to a lot of people. Right now you sound like someone trying to argue in favor of Super Audio CD.
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Okay, so why are people choosing LCD over plasma? Are they heavier and use more power? I always thought there was that heavy premium to them.

You seem to be indicating that people actually are willing to choose inferior displays when given the choice, and without any downsides, I don't think so.

I think people can see the difference in quality of display, I never talked about audio quality, or video content quality--you love to resort to these strawman arguments. Accepting lower quality content as a tradeoff for convenience is different than accepting lower quality displays when they're offered at the same price without tradeoffs.
 
Why the hell do you make an OP and not update it? That should be a rule, especially for conferences...Someone should find giga and rip him a new one!! >:-(
 
Everyone's talking about the iPad mini price today, but the price of the 13" Retina MBP was even more eye-opening to me.



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Only makes me feel better about my 2012 13" MBA.
 
RBH said:
Everyone's talking about the iPad mini price today, but the price of the 13" Retina MBP was even more eye-opening to me.



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Only makes me feel better about my 2012 13" MBA.
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That SKU is so pointless, you won't be able to do real work with out a dedicated gpu.
 
Well I'm glad I just decided to upgrade my early 2010 iMac with an SSD and a bunch of RAM. I'll hold out on a new iMac until mine dies. I wanted a bezel-less display. Looks exactly the same from the front. Meh.
 
numble said:
Okay, so why are people choosing LCD over plasma? Are they heavier and use more power? I always thought there was that heavy premium to them.
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A number of reasons. LCDs were getting thinner faster than plasma, LCDs can be shown brighter in a store display despite you would never have it that bright inside your home, misconception about the tech, and in general not always the best thing wins out due to a number of factors which includes ignorance. Informed people know that plasma was/is better than LCD.

You seem to be indicating that people actually are willing to choose inferior displays when given the choice, and without any downsides, I don't think so.
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I didn't realize there was a choice here. Can we buy the new iMac without it?

I think people can see the difference in quality of display, I never talked about audio quality, or video content quality--you love to resort to these strawman arguments. Accepting lower quality content as a tradeoff for convenience is different than accepting lower quality displays when they're offered at the same price without tradeoffs.
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I never said you talked about audio quality. You don't seem to understand analogy do you. I'm comparing someone who is screaming how awesome Super Audio CD is when most people don't notice or care. That's how you're coming off by over stressing how big of a deal this is. People aren't simply accepting lower quality for convenience, they're doing it because they can't tell the difference. There isn't a whole lot of difference in trying to differentiate video quality and display quality because they can go hand-in-hand. The point is they don't notice the visual difference as much as people seem to stress. They don't care about the visual fidelity to the degree that some people think.
 
Apple mocking the Nexus 7 aside, Google and Asus do have a more compelling product to me. Regardless if iPad 2 tech is still good or not. Looks like I still like bleeding edge tech over everything. So that means time to buy an iPad 4th gen.
 
Marty Chinn said:
A number of reasons. LCDs were getting thinner faster than plasma.
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Why does being thin matter? Anyway, you're listing tradeoffs, not things that are equal except the display being different.
I didn't realize there was a choice here. Can we buy the new iMac without it?
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Your lists of things are all about tradeoffs. They are lower quality but people accept them for convenience. Buying a movie off iTunes, or streaming sports, NetFlix takes less than a minute, and you can do it while you are doing something else in another window. Going to buy a BluRay or ordering one online is less convenient.

There is no trade-off to replacing the fat iMac display with one that is thinner, has the display laminated to the glass, supports a fuller color profile and is less reflective. I can see a stickler old man insisting on going to the store to buy a Blu-Ray for better resolution, but I don't see someone whining that the iMac is using a better thinner display instead of a fatter one.

I never said you talked about audio quality. You don't seem to understand analogy do you. I'm comparing someone who is screaming how awesome Super Audio CD is when most people don't notice or care. That's how you're coming off by over stressing how big of a deal this is. People aren't simply accepting lower quality for convenience, they're doing it because they can't tell the difference. There isn't a whole lot of difference in trying to differentiate video quality and display quality because they can go hand-in-hand. The point is they don't notice the visual difference as much as people seem to stress. They don't care about the visual fidelity to the degree that some people think.
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It's not the right analogy because I am saying that people notice the quality of displays, especially when it comes to lamination, IPS and high DPI. I don't think many people notice audio quality.

I think people notice the difference between a laminated display and a non-laminated display--you don't. You also don't seem to think people notice retina/high-dpi displays and IPS displays. I think people do. We can just agree to disagree.
 
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