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[LCfiner]

I wonder if they were sitting on a bunch of panels (or still had the supply chain cranking) and instead of cutting them into aging phones, they're making minis out of them? Would give them a really fat margin.

this is an IPS display, those old iphones weren't. so the panels are new.

But they're still making fat margins on this. must be nuts.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Dat extra screen space. Plus the mini is lighter .. That $79 premium is easy to justify.

$129.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Zero stealth edits, son.

And I'm not wrong. Basically not taking a rumor on face value means I'm wrong? Boy, the Android crowd sure is tough!

the ipad mini was a rumor, we have really good guesses for some things and people here are trying to decide what to buy

 

[Sec0nd]

Still too expensive.

 

[dallow_bg]

Well in that case I understand. When you have a wall mount display, the closer it can be to the wall the better. Here, they just made it thinner on the sides but it still has a fat ass. Don't see the point or what it bought them

Design and weight savings.
It looks a lot better to me and I have zero interest in iMacs.

 

[acheron_xl]

this is an IPS display, those old iphones weren't. so the panels are new.

But they're still making fat margins on this. must be nuts.

And it gives them room to cut in the future. All the bitching today will be payed back when they magically sell it for 200-250 some time in the future.

 

[whatsinaname]

Do you feel angry when a faster CPU is added to an existing desktop you bought?

lol, yea. I'm so pissed that Intel released Ivy Bridge after I bought my Sandy Bridge! Arg!!

I think its just expectations and jealousy really. Folks expected a yearly refresh, and now only 6 months later, they will see the same games and some apps running faster then theirs.

There are legitimate reasons for people with iPad 3s to get annoyed. Apple's refresh cycles have been fairly constant so a lot of consumers base their purchase decisions on that.

Considering that iPad 2 and 3 are at a similar level of performance and the iPad 4 got announced within 6 months of the iPad 3, maybe the users feel this is what they should have gotten in the first place?

Also, a lot of users also factor in resale values while considering Apple products. This mid-cycle refresh screws with that.

 

[Marty Chinn]

I don't want to descend into a Marty debate on something so obvious. Lets agree to disagree.

Every reference to people wanting a thinner display is from wall mounting and how it will look there. I never see anyone complain about the thickness when putting it simply on a stand. I think you're wrong on this one. There's no evidence that suggests people want a thin display for no reason other than aesthetics outside of a wall mount.

But, yes it's so obvious that someone else made my observation as seen here below here:

Well in that case I understand. When you have a wall mount display, the closer it can be to the wall the better. Here, they just made it thinner on the sides but it still has a fat ass. Don't see the point or what it bought them

Here's another quote:

Reason No. 3: Form Factor
I want a 65 inch plasma to replace my 50 inch 1080i Panasonic Professional plasma in my living room and I want it badly but the form factor of today's LEDs make a compelling argument in that I can literally float a 65 inch LED over the hole that I built my 50 inch set into and have it literally float above the fabric wall with its unbelievably thin form factor. Add in the stunningly bright LED screens and the ambient light that flows into the room - I might have to put the new 65-inch plasma in my new offices. Today's sickly thin HDTVs make installing a television more compelling and relevant than ever before.

http://hometheaterreview.com/eight-reasons-to-buy-an-hdtv-today-that-doesnt-include-3d/

 

[MightyHealthy]

I don't think announcing 4 is as bad as trying to pretend 3 doesn't exist.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipad/compare

 

[fse]

iPad 3 has Wireless n as well.

Anyones wifi on the iPad3 crap out as you go like 30 feet away from the router?

 

[artist]

the ipad mini was a rumor, we have really good guesses for some things and people here are trying to decide what to buy

Do all rumors pan out?

 

[Bboy AJ]

I like the thinner iMac for aesthetic reasons. It looks lighter, which is awesome on my glass desk.

 

[Phanatic8390]

Anyones wifi on the iPad3 crap out as you go like 30 feet away from the router?

I think N has really short range. Like being in the same room.

 

[coldfoot]

In the education store, $100 more gets a 15" retina over a high end 13" retina where you gain a quad core and a dedicated GPU...easiest decision ever.

 

[Betta Lines]

Man my iPad 3 is so last season. That dock connector just looks horrible. And it's literally falling apart in my hands.

 

[dallow_bg]

Every reference to people wanting a thinner display is from wall mounting and how it will look there. I never see anyone complain about the thickness when putting it simply on a stand. I think you're wrong on this one. There's no evidence that suggests people want a thin display for no reason other than aesthetics outside of a wall mount.

I have to really disagree with you.
I don't mount TVs, but I would always prefer a thinner display and bezel on any tv or monitor I buy.

I don't think announcing 4 is as bad as trying to pretend 3 doesn't exist.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipad/compare

The 3rd gen iPad is discontinued so they wouldn't show it there.

 

[Lima]

So where is iTunes 11? That is all I wanted.

 

[fse]

I think N has really short range. Like being in the same room.

shit, even if I don't use N but B/G?

 

[entremet]

I like the thinner iMac for aesthetic reasons. It looks lighter, which is awesome on my glass desk.

Yep. People care about aesthetics. I don't know why people can't see this.

 

[Phanatic8390]

shit, even if I don't use N but B/G?

I haven't had problems with G and range but I can't leave the room my router is in while connected with N.

 

[Tobor]

Every reference to people wanting a thinner display is from wall mounting and how it will look there. I never see anyone complain about the thickness when putting it simply on a stand. I think you're wrong on this one. There's no evidence that suggests people want a thin display for no reason other than aesthetics outside of a wall mount.

But, yes it's so obvious that someone else made my observation as seen here below here:



Here's another quote:



http://hometheaterreview.com/eight-reasons-to-buy-an-hdtv-today-that-doesnt-include-3d/

You really want to trade anecdotal evidence on this? Ok.

I like the thinner iMac for aesthetic reasons. It looks lighter, which is awesome on my glass desk.

There you go.

 

[nib95]

Yep. People care about aesthetics. I don't know why people can't see this.

Appreciated. And very good for iPads, Macbook's etc, where portability is important. But for a desktop device, what's more important, aesthetics, or performance, features, upgradability and price. Obviously the great thing about Mac's is that it's always been a nice balance between the two. With the iPad, Macbook Pro Retina etc, I think changes are positive. iMac is more difficult to gauge.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

You're reaching. People want thin displays regardless if its mounted or not. My TV isn't wall mounted, yet the bezel and thickness were part of my criteria for purchase.

I'm surprised you don't get this.

The difference is that the iMac is a full computer and not just a display. If you make it thinner then you will compromise the specs, or if the newer model is faster then it'll be less than what it could be.

Not everyone can afford Mac Pros (which Apple have failed to revamp) so they buy iMacs to do processor intensive tasks such as video editing. The problem is that Apple seem to be increasingly alienating those types of people in favour of a form over function approach to hardware design.

 

[Lima]

I haven't had problems with G and range but I can't leave the room my router is in while connected with N.

I think you have a shitty router. Wireless N has a greater range than B/G.

 

[entremet]

Appreciated. And very good for iPads, Macbook's etc, where portability is important. But for a desktop device, what's more important, aesthetics, or performance, features, upgradability and price. Obviously the great thing about Mac's is that it's always been a nice balance between the two. With the iPad, Macbook Pro Retina etc, I think changes are positive. iMac is more difficult.

iMacs are the wrong machines if you want upgradiblity; they're basically laptops in terms of internals, like most all in ones.

 

[.GqueB.]

Appreciated. And very good for iPads, Macbook's etc, where portability is important. But for a desktop device, what's more important, aesthetics, or performance, features, upgradability and price. Obviously the great thing about Mac's is that it's always been a nice balance between the two. With the iPad, Macbook Pro Retina etc, I think changes are positive. iMac is more difficult to gauge.

Did they sacrifice performance for aesthetic? I'm not a tech guy so I wouldn't know.

 

[LyleLanley]

I think you have a shitty router. Wireless N has a greater range than B/G.

Doesn't N have problems going through walls?

 

[Mudkips]

Do all rumors pan out?

It's not a

 

[dallow_bg]

Appreciated. And very good for iPads, Macbook's etc, where portability is important. But for a desktop device, what's more important, aesthetics, or performance, features, upgradability and price. Obviously the great thing about Mac's is that it's always been a nice balance between the two. With the iPad, Macbook Pro Retina etc, I think changes are positive. iMac is more difficult to gauge.

iMac upgrades were always difficult.
This isn't the machine for that.

 

[Diablohead]

Doesn't N have problems going through walls?

Feels like it in my home, N signals like to act up in other rooms for me.

 

[LCfiner]

Did they sacrifice performance for aesthetic? I'm not a tech guy so I wouldn't know.

Well, iMacs have had mobile GPUs for ages. that's always been the biggest performance sacrifice. this new design does not change that in any way. there's no new sacrifices in power by making it thinner - it's the same old ones.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

iMac upgrades were always difficult.
This isn't the machine for that.



It's better now even.

It isn't going to be worse...

As I said above, it is less than what it could have been due to the focus on form instead of function. When it comes to design I think they've put themselves in a corner with "the entire computer is the screen".

iMac upgrades were always difficult.
This isn't the machine for that.

They're not updating the other one that is easily upgradeable... plus it is incredibly expensive and not suited for typical home use.

 

[mrklaw]

I think 16 GB 4th gen it is for me.

I had a 32 GB 3rd gen, but hardly went over 4-5 GB. The hype about the size of retina apps wasn't justified after all.

Or was it?

I think I'd struggle with 16GB, although it might make me keep things streamlined. But if you read any magazines that can get eaten quickly

 

[Marty Chinn]

You really want to trade anecdotal evidence on this? Ok.



There you go.

That's an iMac, you said the driving factor behind thin HDTVs is purely on aesthetics and has nothing to do with wall mounting the TV aesthetics. I want you to supply a source or evidence of this. It's your statement that I want you to back up. You say it's obvious but when you see people talking about how thin the TV is, they're using talking about it context to a wall mount. So show me otherwise that this is generally true and not just one or two people out there.

I have to really disagree with you.
I don't mount TVs, but I would always prefer a thinner display and bezel on any tv or monitor I buy.

A monitor on a desk, I can see because it eats up space, but an HDTV that you put on a stand that has nothing else to it? You'd sacrifice quality for aesthetics which is something you don't see when you're watching TV? At what point is it good enough to be a non issue for you then? It seems silly to worry about how thick it is when you don't use it from the side.

 

[dallow_bg]

It isn't going to be worse...

As I said above, it is less than what it could have been due to the focus on form instead of function. When it comes to design I think they've put themselves in a corner with "the entire computer is the screen".

It will get better as tech improves and also gets smaller.
Same as it always been.

All-in-one computers have always been like this.

 

[Phanatic8390]

I think you have a shitty router. Wireless N has a greater range than B/G.

I'm probably thinking of 2.4 vs 5. 5 doesn't go far at all.

 

[Lima]

Doesn't N have problems going through walls?

That kinda depends on the materials used for the walls.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Do all rumors pan out?

in the mobile world? the major ones? like 99.9% of the time

 

[kr2t0s]

Dumb question:

How has wireless changed in the ipad 4th generation or even the mini? Apple keeps advertising Advanced Wi-Fi and I'm just curious if that is snake oil or something real. Isn't N still the fastest? 5ghz or whatever?

 

[MightyHealthy]

The 3rd gen iPad is discontinued so they wouldn't show it there.

What was wrong with it, to discontinue it so early?

 

[Marty Chinn]

What was wrong with it, to discontinue it so early?

I'd imagine there is very little difference between it and the 4th gen to keep both around.

 

[Diablohead]

What was wrong with it, to discontinue it so early?

ipad4 is the same thing with a better processor, should not really be called a 4.

 

[LyleLanley]

Dumb question:

How has wireless changed in the ipad 4th generation or even the mini? Apple keeps advertising Advanced Wi-Fi and I'm just curious if that is snake oil or something real. Isn't N still the fastest? 5ghz or whatever?

http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/

Advanced Wi-Fi technology. Built in.
The new Wi-Fi capabilities built into iPad keep you connected faster than ever — up to twice as fast as any previous-generation iPad. With dual-band (2.4GHz and 5GHz) 802.11n Wi-Fi and support for channel bonding, download speeds can reach up to 150 Mbps.5 Translation: Many of the things you do every day may start to feel a whole lot faster.

 

[dallow_bg]

A monitor on a desk, I can see because it eats up space, but an HDTV that you put on a stand that has nothing else to it? You'd sacrifice quality for aesthetics which is something you don't see when you're watching TV? At what point is it good enough to be a non issue for you then? It seems silly to worry about how thick it is when you don't use it from the side.

When did I say I'd sacrifice quality?
I said I'd always prefer a thinner display and bezel. (over a thicker one for less money for instance). At home I went with an quality IPS monitor with a thin bezel.

The other benefit is less weight.

 

[Marco1]

What worries me about their future products is that they are not using samsung for their displays anymore. That leaves LG and sharp and are samsung not the better choice of displays when it came to the macbook?
If true then apples arrogance amazes me and it's obvious they don't give a shit about the quality of the end product.

 

[acheron_xl]

What worries me about their future products is that they are not using samsung for their displays anymore. That leaves LG and sharp and are samsung not the better choice of displays when it came to the macbook?
If true then apples arrogance amazes me and it's obvious they don't give a shit about the quality of the end product.

They have enough cash, they should just start building factories to make panels themselves.

 

[mrklaw]

Feels like it in my home, N signals like to act up in other rooms for me.

5GHz has crappy range, but better speeds and importantly, less congestion from all your neighbours on 2.4

It I'm fine with g on my iPad, not like I'm downloading huge files - just the occasional stream

 

[Marty Chinn]

When did I say I'd sacrifice quality?

Well one of the things that pushed plasma out, which people regard as the superior display tech, is because of the push to thinner displays. I was wondering if you fit that camp.

I said I'd always prefer a thinner display and bezel. (over a thicker one for less money for instance).

I'm always for a thinner bezel, but at what point do you call it a day for the thickness and why does it matter when you watch it from the front and don't see the thickness while watching it? I get that in general a thin display is nice to have over a CRT, again at the expense of quality, but I think at a certain point, how much thinner it gets becomes a non factor.

The other benefit is less weight.

Unless you're wall mounting it or constantly moving it, why does this even matter? Most HDTVs are light enough already and the limiting factor of carrying them is the size, not the weight.

 

[dallow_bg]

What worries me about their future products is that they are not using samsung for their displays anymore. That leaves LG and sharp and are samsung not the better choice of displays when it came to the macbook?
If true then apples arrogance amazes me and it's obvious they don't give a shit about the quality of the end product.

Uhhhh....
The iPhone 5's screen is seemingly the best out there among any device.
I thought Sharp was making them.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6334/iphone-5-screen-performance

Well one of the things that pushed plasma out, which people regard as the superior display tech, is because of the push to thinner displays. I was wondering if you fit that camp.

Nope.

I'm always for a thinner bezel, but at what point do you call it a day for the thickness and why does it matter when you watch it from the front and don't see the thickness while watching it? I get that in general a thin display is nice to have over a CRT, again at the expense of quality, but I think at a certain point, how much thinner it gets becomes a non factor.



Unless you're wall mounting it or constantly moving it, why does this even matter? Most HDTVs are light enough already and the limiting factor of carrying them is the size, not the weight.

I don't see why I should ever stop caring?
If it can get smaller and lighter, and still look amazing. Go for it! It's certainly not a negative.

And my room is structured that I always see the side profile of my TV when I'm in another area working (and not using it myself). It'd be neat if all I saw was a thin line.

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

Also relax guys. They're probably just shifting over to an October-based update cycle for all things iOS. There won't be anymore March events if you ask my opinion. It's probably a transition.

I'll relax when you buy my iPad 3 64GB Verizon model for $830.