Apple's October 23 Event | We've got a little more to show you.

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I wanted discrete graphics in the $799 Mac mini and expected they would more than likely use a dual-core processor.

I was pleasantly surprised when it had a quad-core processor in it though a tad disappointed when there were no discrete graphics. Also the cost of adding an SSD in the BTO is $300 which is not too insane with the cost of your average 256 GB SSD as long as it is SATA III speeds. I am hoping they use a Samsung 830.

(sketchy territory time)

What I am looking to do though is play Gauntlet Legends and Gauntlet Dark Legacy the arcade versions (I don't like the console versions) and I'm not sure if I can run them on the quad-core Mini or if I have to step up to an iMac to do that. I would prefer not to buy a PC.
 
Probably posted already but I guess why not?

Some Apple Retail Stores Offering 30-Day Window to Exchange iPads for New Model

The manager at the Stockton Street store in San Francisco explained that "this specific store" would allow purchasers of the third-generation iPad to exchange their device for the fourth-generation iPad if purchased within the last 30 days. She emphasized that, unless the recently-purchased iPad showed serious signs of wear-and-tear, the usual 14-day return policy would be waived.

"And what about other stores?" You'll have to call and find out. She explained, "We can't speak to other stores' policies -- this is something our store has decided to do."
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I am definitely getting a mini. Will be ordering it Friday. I just have to decide which color to get. I always get white, but man that black back looks amazing. It's the same dilemma I'd have if I were buying an iPhone 5. The black just looks nice.

I wish they were colored because it'd make the decision much easier. Too bad they won't have a display at the store I'll be ordering from. (Non-Apple Store)

I'd get white if Apple had revealed some kind of wrap-around case for it like the 3 had. Actually, I just want a case for the back. Eh. Whatever. So glad 16GB is the low-end. I'd not even bother if it were 8GB.
 
Anyone want an iPad 3? I got a laptop this summer and never use the thing. Also just got it swapped out so it's in perfect condition.

What I'm selling:
-Ipad 3rd Generation 32GB in Black LTE model - (new price 729$)
With original box and cables
-Black leather smart cover - (new price 69$)
-Sleeve - (new price 49$)
-Wooden smart cover from Minoit - (new price 69$)

I figure I'm going to just get a basic 16gb lte model and call it a day. Still use the hotspot function, but mostly just web browse and play games now. I used to use the thing like a full computer.
 
Autumn Wind said:
I wanted discrete graphics in the $799 Mac mini and expected they would more than likely use a dual-core processor.

I was pleasantly surprised when it had a quad-core processor in it though a tad disappointed when there were no discrete graphics. Also the cost of adding an SSD in the BTO is $300 which is not too insane with the cost of your average 256 GB SSD as long as it is SATA III speeds. I am hoping they use a Samsung 830.

(sketchy territory time)

What I am looking to do though is play Gauntlet Legends and Gauntlet Dark Legacy the arcade versions (I don't like the console versions) and I'm not sure if I can run them on the quad-core Mini or if I have to step up to an iMac to do that. I would prefer not to buy a PC.
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You should have no problems running them. Far lesser machines appear to run those apps just fine.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
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Must convince myself I don't need a new desktop...
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you'd have to if you are going to buy an imac.
 
I wasn't really following this media event because I wasn't interested in the iPad Mini and I already have a Retina Macbook Pro.

I just found out that they updated the iPad to 4.

..... motherfuckers.
 
Hmm, strange.

Says no updates available in the App Store but the icon still has the "1" next to it in iBooks.

Maybe it's one of the books I have in the cloud?
 
jobber said:
So can anyone tell me the pros of a faster iPad cpu?
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gifs animate way faster. (based on using an iphone 5) makes tumblr and gaf much more pleasant to browse when gifs start flying

Apple's fancy 3D maps rotate and draw in faster.

web pages load faster, apps load faster. photo editing effects will apply faster

whatever else you would expect to run faster on a computer with a 2X CPU bump...
 
LCfiner said:
gifs animate way faster. (based on using an iphone 5) makes tumblr and gaf much more pleasant to browse when gifs start flying

Apple's fancy 3D maps rotate and draw in faster.

web pages load faster, apps load faster. photo editing effects will apply faster

whatever else you would expect to run faster on a computer with a 2X CPU bump...
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are you telling me a faster CPU would make the iPad faster!?

apple does it again™
 
Phoenix said:
You should have no problems running them. Far lesser machines appear to run those apps just fine.
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Well one thing. I didn't know if I needed both a desktop quad-core processor and discrete graphics or if I can skate by on just a mobile quad-core processor.

It apparently can run well on Wolfdale processors but needed more video memory.
 
How do Apple's preorders typically work?

I'd like to preorder a 4th gen iPad. What's the best way to get it ASAP? FYI, I have an Apple store nearby.
 
SnakeXs said:
Still not a peep as to iTunes 11... *solitary tear*
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I continue to suspect that there's a new service tied to it that Apple's having trouble launching because they need to finish up negotiations. Remember those NYT/WSJ stories about Apple readying a Pandora competitor.
 
badcrumble said:
I continue to suspect that there's a new service tied to it that Apple's having trouble launching because they need to finish up negotiations. Remember those NYT/WSJ stories about Apple readying a Pandora competitor.
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That would be nice, but I think it's just that software is hard, and it's taking longer than they expected.
 
I called myself out on that prediction several times since the announcement but glad to see you did your duty and dug it out yourself.
 
LCfiner said:
I called myself out on that prediction several times since the announcement but glad to see you did your duty and dug it out yourself.
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I actually thought your reasoning:
LCfiner said:
Guys. some things to consider for the base model pricing:

1. Apple consistently makes around 40% margins on its key products.

2. Andy Rubin stated the Nexus 7 is sold at cost. Note that its not sold at a major loss (eg: game consoles at launch). it's sold at 200 bucks at cost so that's how much it costs them to build and probably also factors in the initial design effort.

3. Apple will almost surely be using older tech in this mini iPad so there's not much new design cost aside from the new casing and screen size.

4. Apple has the ability build their devices cheaper than their competition since they build in such large quantities so the iPad mini will likely cost about the same or less than the Nexus 7 to build. so that's around 200 bucks. probably a bit less.

6. So add 40% to, say, $180. what do you get? $250. what kind of margin would this thing have if it cost $300 (and still cost 200 to build and ship)? over 65%

The baseline, el-cheapo 8GB model will be 250 bucks. a premium price over the Kindle Fire HD and Nexus 7, with a likely cheaper screen and 2 year old hardware. It's not like Apple will be pushing technical boundaries with this.

$250 is entirely possible and I think it's very likely since I doubt Apple will want to concede the entire sub-500 dollar tablet market to amazon/ google in order to try to grab over 60% profit margin on the new device. Cook even said he's aware of price umbrellas and doesn't there to be any obvious ones for the ipad.
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was quite good so I'm surprised you were so far off-base. Where do you think the mistake lies?
  • Apple is no longer able to build devices cheaper than the competition?
  • Apple wants 60% margins?
  • Your assumption of a baseline 8GB model at $250 is right in line with a 16GB model at $3250? (Google is EOL the 8GB, while Amazon and B&N didn't start that low, so 16GB should be the new baseline anyhow)**

Apple analysts have been off on their predictions lately (they overestimated the iPhone launch sales too)...

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Yeah you already though of that
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thinking a bit more about price premiums. right now, the 7" tablets are 200 bucks.

But they're more likely to drop in price in the next year than a new ipad, right? so, if the ipad launches at 300, it may be "only" 100 bucks more than the competition at launch but it may soon find itself being 150 more - double the price - than the others. seems like a harder sell to make even with the app library on the ipad.

250 would narrow that gap a bit more.

I'll hedge my bet in one way. if this thing launches with a 326 ppi retina screen and 16 GB minima, then I can see it being 300 bucks. But I still think Apple wants to build this to a more strict price target.
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badcrumble said:
I continue to suspect that there's a new service tied to it that Apple's having trouble launching because they need to finish up negotiations. Remember those NYT/WSJ stories about Apple readying a Pandora competitor.
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My thoughts exactly. It's either that, or the new software is buggy as heck.

I'm sure we're going to see more than one "iTunes 11 deleted my library, took my job, then stepped on my dog!" type of comment.
 
Greyface said:
I actually thought your reasoning:

was quite good so I'm surprised you were so far off-base. Where do you think the mistake lies?
  • Apple is no longer able to build devices cheaper than the competition?
  • Apple wants 60% margins?
  • Your assumption of a baseline 8GB model at $250 is right in line with a 16GB model at $3250? (Google is EOL the 8GB, while Amazon and B&N didn't start that low, so 16GB should be the new baseline anyhow.)

Apple analysts have been off on their predictions lately (they overestimated the iPhone launch sales too)...
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Apple doesn't make a consistent margin. The iPad has always been lower margin than iPhone based on build estimates, and the margin is averaged out across the entire line, including Macs and accessory sales. The lower storage sizes do not have the same margin as the higher storage sizes, unless you believe that $499 16 GB iPad costs $356 to make and market, and the $699 64 GB iPad costs $499 to make and market ($143 to increase storage to 64 GB).
 
numble said:
Apple doesn't make a consistent margin. The iPad has always been lower margin than iPhone based on build estimates, and the margin is averaged out across the entire line, including Macs and accessory sales. The lower storage sizes do not have the same margin as the higher storage sizes, unless you believe that $499 16 GB iPad costs $356 to make and market, and the $699 64 GB iPad costs $499 to make and market ($143 to increase storage to 64 GB).
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... yeah the lower storage sizes don't have the same margins as the higher storage sizes — the higher storage sizes have a much greater margin. That's balanced out by Apple selling a lot more of the lower storage sizes than they do of the higher storage ones. In relating these margins to LCfiner's analysis, what's ostensibly happen here would be analogous to Apple removing the 16GB iPad for $500, the model that most people buy, and requiring an entry level purchase at the 32GB iPad for $600 where they have great margins.

Meanwhile the competition is eliminating their 8GB model and requiring their entry level purchase to be the 16GB — but reducing the price on the 16GB model at the same time. Asus has been able to get volume and manufacturing efficiencies up after only 3 months to reduce the price... so Apple can't match that?
 
Greyface said:
... yeah the lower storage sizes don't have the same margins as the higher storage sizes — the higher storage sizes have a much greater margin. That's balanced out by Apple selling a lot more of the lower storage sizes than they do of the higher storage ones. In relating these margins to LCfiner's analysis, what's ostensibly happen here would be analogous to Apple removing the 16GB iPad for $500, the model that most people buy, and requiring an entry level purchase at the 32GB iPad for $600 where they have great margins.

Meanwhile the competition is eliminating their 8GB model and requiring their entry level purchase to be the 16GB — but reducing the price on the 16GB model at the same time. Asus has been able to get volume and manufacturing efficiencies up after only 3 months to reduce the price... so Apple can't match that?
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Apple does not sell devices at zero margin or charge for shipping. And according to iSuppli, the cameras are at least $10 more than the one Nexus camera. There are many things that are unknown, including Apple's commitment to reducing OT and offering higher wages to their manufacturing workers, probably leading to reduced margins.

My basic point is that you can't apply Apple's average margin, which includes everything from iTunes, data cables, smart covers, iPads, etc. to a pricing strategy.
 
LCfiner said:
I'm gonna guess End of October means October 31st, 11:59 PM. :(
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I really hope not. It would make sense for them to release it before or around the time pre-orders start, I think. So that's either today/tomorrow/day after tomorrow. Putting it off far after the Mini ships seems dumb.
 
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