Direct X 11.1 is Windows 8 exclusive, no plans to retrofit
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joeygreco1985
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Meh. The pulled the same shit with DX10 and Vista. Doesn't make it right, but not surprising either. I have Windows 8 on my gaming rig anyways
what if the xbox3 will support 11.1? Than every multi game will support it on the PC.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
If they do that and go in that direction Linux will finally get its "Year of the Desktop"
legacyzero
Banned
No thank you, Microsoft. I'll stand being Gabe and Notch on this one.
I'll not be going along with this, knowing what they did to Halo 2.
I'll not be going along with this, knowing what they did to Halo 2.
lol
Really guys? You didn't see that one coming from a mile away? As soon as I heard about Win 8 I knew this was in the works as well. They did it before so why wouldn't they do it now?
As someone mentioned though, it's really nasty of them to make something numbered 11.1 only run on the new platform. Obviously if it's just an iteration of 11 then it would run just fine on Win 7 and I expect someone to hack it to work on 7, like they did with DX10 and Win XP.
As someone mentioned though, it's really nasty of them to make something numbered 11.1 only run on the new platform. Obviously if it's just an iteration of 11 then it would run just fine on Win 7 and I expect someone to hack it to work on 7, like they did with DX10 and Win XP.
I'm calling this one too
Takamura-San
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Could someone please summarize what developers (like notch and Gabe) have against win 8.
I use Steam with no qualms on win 8. No different than I was using it on 7.
I install and use software outside of metro just fine.
Metro is not forced on me, is just there.
I use Steam with no qualms on win 8. No different than I was using it on 7.
I install and use software outside of metro just fine.
Metro is not forced on me, is just there.
Metalmurphy
Member
Hopefully it'll be easily hacked into Win7.
This sort of shit should be illegal.
They want to turn it into a closed device with an IOS like store so they can get a cut on every sale.
This sort of shit should be illegal.
They want to turn it into a closed device with an IOS like store so they can get a cut on every sale.
The idea is Metro will be forced on us in the future as far as gaming is concerned, all this is just leading up to it.
As it essentially is with even DX11 right now. I have a DX11 GPU, but not a ton of games have meaningful DX11 in them. I doubt 11.1 will have any overly meaningful updates to it anyway.
I will re-evaluate Windows 8 when the first service pack comes out.
The Win 9 - 8 analogy has nothing to do with 7 - Vista because anyone with a pulse knows what MS is doing here. It's the first step towards a closed platform. They've been trying to kill PC gaming for almost a decade now (minus a half hearted attempt here and there) and get them into the royalty paying console ecosystem.
The fact they now have Apple envy and are eying even bigger royalties (if they can completely close the platform off) makes this the most telegraphiced pass in computer history. The end game of this shift is blatently obvious.
The fact they now have Apple envy and are eying even bigger royalties (if they can completely close the platform off) makes this the most telegraphiced pass in computer history. The end game of this shift is blatently obvious.
Why? DirectX and Windows are Microsoft's property, they can do whatever they want with them. The reaction the gaming community is having over Windows 8 is ridiculous, just goes to show some people can't adapt to something simple like a UI change.
Valve needs to work double time with ATI, Nvidia, Intel and all the game devs on making Linux the new king.
I somehow see MS suing Valve out of all this. I don't know on what grounds but I see it happening.
As for Windows 8, I bet it bombs, we got an excellent release on 7, followed by something that is trying to push a new UI.
Hopefully this is not the Wii equivalent of grabbing a new target audience that hasn't really existed in the past which would marginalise the hardcore base.
Only time will tell.
I somehow see MS suing Valve out of all this. I don't know on what grounds but I see it happening.
As for Windows 8, I bet it bombs, we got an excellent release on 7, followed by something that is trying to push a new UI.
Hopefully this is not the Wii equivalent of grabbing a new target audience that hasn't really existed in the past which would marginalise the hardcore base.
Only time will tell.
Metalmurphy
Member
Ever heard of Monopoly laws?
Internet Explorer is also their property and it didnt' stop them from getting sued over and over again.
You should get on Google for not porting all those Android 4.2 features back to Gingerbread.
Pot meet kettle.
So they're going to be sued by... themselves?
AndyMoogle
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Unless their Win 8 store is a massive failure, I really don't see them dropping metro anytime soon.
Metalmurphy
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Have you actually tried Windows 8? It's essentially a better version of Windows 7 with a tiled start menu and a built-in smartphone-like store. Most of the whining is from people that don't have it installed, cos if they did, they'd be wondering what the fuss is all about - every piece of software that I used on Windows 7 works fine on Windows 8. There's even easy ways to bring the Start menu back if you really want it.
Takamura-San
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I have stated, as an user of win 8, I can install software outside of metro. Download .exe and install. Completely outside of metro and their store front.
Is there a statement from microsoft saying that they will disable installing software that way?
Until that happens this is some tinfoil NRA "they are going to take our guns" kind of crazyness.
Mind you, I'm not saying that everyone should like Win 8. But the idea that Metro is being forced as a way to install and distribute software on win 8 is Factually false.
Dictator93
Member
Wow I was flatout wrong. Wow
I wish I could say I knew this would happen. but I was 60% sure it was not gonna happen.
Well fuck me
I wish I could say I knew this would happen. but I was 60% sure it was not gonna happen.
Well fuck me
Hasn't happened to me, something's wrong with your computer.
plagiarize
Banned
It's such a small update. I'm sure we'll see plenty of games supporting 11.1 on PC, but those games are not going to be 11.1 only. They'll be games that work well in 3D on any card that supports a 3D output (using the native 3D resolution support Windows 8 has) and they'll be games that multitask better.
They won't look any prettier or run any better on Windows 8 than they will on Windows 7.
KojiKnight
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Right now, DirectX 11.1 is simply a post in the ground. That post may just be to put up a shiny new bird feeder in the yard, or it may be the first in a series of posts that eventually form a fence...
What you don't seem to understand is that it's just another step in that direction... The time to throw a fit about this stuff is NOW before any possible implementation... not after microsoft has put up the fence.
What you don't seem to understand is that it's just another step in that direction... The time to throw a fit about this stuff is NOW before any possible implementation... not after microsoft has put up the fence.
And? Developers don't have to use direct-x
I installed it the day it became available. I did the same with Windows 7. With one difference. After trying Win 7 for two days I uninstalled XP. After trying Win 8 for two weeks I went back to 7.
Microsoft was sued on the basis that they used their OS dominance to leverage Internet Explorer (against other browsers). They're now using their DirectX dominance on Windows to leverage Windows 8 (against other versions of Windows). The only person that could possibly sue them for doing this is, uh, Microsoft.
Same thing I was thinkin'.
Kazuma Kiryu
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i'm glad they announced it, just makes it more obvious win 8 is vista 2. i'll be waiting for win9 or win8 sp1 
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
Not a problem if not many developers use it...
Goddammit, I swear to god Crytek, I know you will be the first to jump. To this day you are not even using your own tech at full potential, why do you need a decimal for?
Goddammit, I swear to god Crytek, I know you will be the first to jump. To this day you are not even using your own tech at full potential, why do you need a decimal for?
Metalmurphy
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No one is saying that, why are you missreading what people are saying? What they have been doing however, points in every way that eventually it will be the only way to install software on a windows PC.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=498468
It's not against win8 as it is, but what it foreshadows: sure, the desktop is there, but the very architecture of the thing has opened the door for it not being there in win9 if Metro takes off. It's not just a worst-case supposition, every Microsoft dev event is geared towards that direction. They're pushing Office and even the dev tools towards the cloud, the business products like SharePoint are turning towards more app-like models, XNA is unofficially considered dead for game prototyping because it can't run on Metro, they've tried to make the newer Visual Studio Express only able to compile Metro apps (and only went back because devs complained) and so on.
The core of their current message to devs is how easy it is to switch and not look back, and how portable it is: a metro app will run pretty much the same on desktop and mobile, and nobody's missing the obvious underlying message, that the next console will run Metro apps all the same and so you'll get free console-to-PC conversions, no need to port to the Win desktop.
And it *is* a wonderful, very functional thing. I'd switch to Metro any day if it weren't for the closed marketplace, where I can't just put up software for download with a PayPal link, but where I need a MS-approved account, a MS credit check, MS-dictated price range for selling MS-approved software on which MS will perceive a 30% cut. But they've definitely put the framework together for it to happen, all they need to do is switch off the legacy desktop, something they can perfectly do as soon as it's not a commercial danger to them.
Takamura-San
Member
Please lay down the path in which this is going to happen.
1. Make DX11.1 exclusive to win 8.
2. ?????
3. ?????
4. Metro storefront is required to install all software to win 8.
Even Apple with their app store doesn't require developers to use their storefront to install software in OSX. That is, if something changed since i sold my macbook. I will admit to be wrong if this is the issue. But AFAIK you can just download the DMG, unpack and runs application on Mac OSX.
There's no precedent for this.
Of all the things that people complain about Win 8, justified or not, why do they hinge on this?
Application that want to be part of the Metro interface require to be sold on the win store and pass cert. I have not stated otherwise.
There's no indication that they will take the ability from developers and users to install software outside of the storefront. Like I said, not even apple is doing this with their storefront. The article you pointed is just speculation.
Call me naive, but Why would microsoft do it? When even apple is not doing it.
Metalmurphy
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Not win 8, win 9 with DX12 exclusive to win 9.
Wanna play that brand new game? Well shit, you can't, buy win9 so that MS can take 30% of developers money for doing nothing but shitty certifications that will only make your games even worst.
CharmingCharlie
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You know if I was a conspiracy theorist I would swear this is an attempt at Microsoft to cripple and restrict PC gaming as much as possible. It is no secret that Microsoft considers the PC platform to be a competitor to their console (they have said as much in the past). What better way to restrict PC gaming than to make the key component of the gaming platform exclusive to Win 8. This will ensure most PC devs won't touch 11.1 for years because most pc gamers won't have access to 11.1 with them rocking win 7.
That is what I would be saying if I was a conspiracy theorist, but I am not. So that is definitely not what is happening and it is all wonderful and light, windows 8 is wonderful blah blah blah, no dodgy shit going on blah blah blah.
That is what I would be saying if I was a conspiracy theorist, but I am not. So that is definitely not what is happening and it is all wonderful and light, windows 8 is wonderful blah blah blah, no dodgy shit going on blah blah blah.
They think that because Metro apps can only be installed through the Windows Store, that ALL apps will have to be installed that way in every version of Windows, perhaps as soon as Windows 9. In other words, they have so much tin-foil wrapped around their craniums, that they can't think straight. Windows 8 is as open as Windows 7 was. The Windows Store is additional to what existed in Windows 7. It doesn't replace desktop software - if it did, I wouldn't be using it and I'd be on the "fuck this shit!" train too.
Bl4ckSunsh1n3
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It's still not enough to make me move from 7 to 8. If a game comes out that requires it and I consider it a must play then I'll think about it. Otherwise I think (hope) most developers will realize that developing a game exclusive to Windows 8 would be silly from a financial perspective.