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The Office: Final Season |OT| It's better to burn out than it is to rust

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I am married, so I know that "you fucking did WHAT" look and conversation and I thought that they handled it so well. I could feel Jim's pain. I have very, very few complaints about how Jenna Fischer handles the Pam Halpert character these days.

What is extra good is how they kept up that story line this week. They could have completely ignored the Pam/Jim thing which was interesting to instead focus on Andy and Erin or the terrible Oscar/Senator story line.
 

MMaRsu

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I havent seen the new season yet since last season sucked so much ass I didnt even bother watching the final..

Is this season better? No Nellie?
 
I havent seen the new season yet since last season sucked so much ass I didnt even bother watching the final..

Is this season better? No Nellie?

Nellie is still in it, but in a diminutive sort of role. They are trying to make her much more likeable and personally I think it is working. I am sort of in the bag for this show so you can take this with a grain of salt but I do think this season is better than last season. But you will find that I have only NOT liked about 2 episodes of the show, ever. Scott's Tots, and China.

I like the new season.
 

Enco

Member
Show continues to be crap.

This episode got 1 or 2 laugh out of me which kinda shocked me but everything is still crap.
 

OnPoint

Member
Pam's one of the few people I still consistently like on the show. She's not the reason I watch and I don't think she's the best character, but she's one of the only ones who rarely annoys me on the show. It's not saying much, but that's how bad the show's gotten.

Different strokes, I guess, because she's one that annoys me the most now. And I used to love her. The stupid, cartoonish faces she makes now when cracking corny jokes too loudly for her character... in fact, her whole new, forced extroverted personality just doesn't jive with me. I'm all for character evolution but this is like a whole new person at this point (though you could say this about a lot of characters on the show).
 

linsivvi

Member
I think they chose him as the lead, because they were banking on Ed Helms' success in The Hangover movies to carry the show, much like how they banked on Steve Carell's success in 40 Year Old Virgin to carry the show initially.

Probably could've carried the show with better writing.

They could have saved it with much better writing indeed, but Steve Carell is also a lot more talented than Ed Helms and has the ability to turn shitty materials into semi-decent.
 

Flash

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Am I suppose to care about the new Jim or something? Should I be rooting that he gets the girl? Kind of confused about the direction they are taking Andy... do they want us to hate him now or something?

And why do they make Nellie one of the most horrible character last season only to become a sympathetic lonely woman who wants to adopt babies?

ugrgh characters on this show are so inconsistent and I'd say majority of the characters no longer resemble what they were at one point or have not followed reasonable character progression. Only person I could argue for is Jim, but that's probably because his character development hit the pause button from when he got married to this season.
 
They could have saved it with much better writing indeed, but Steven Carell is also a lot more talented than Ed Helms and has the ability to turn shitty materials into semi-decent.

Yup, even during the weaker seasons/ episodes Steve Carell could act extremely well with even subpar material. He always seemed to pull off whatever was given to him. With him gone the bad writing is more glaring.
 

big ander

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It seemed with the andy stuff that they realized how much we've grown to hate him and are playing into that, so we won't feel bad for him at all when Erin goes for Pete. and then I guess the show will end with him learning he needs to move on? Who knows. Anyway it had direction. wasn't good, wasn't bad.
Oscar stuff was boring.
But the Dwight call plot...was hysterical. I am astounded at how much I laughed during that. I can't remember actually liking a joke like that for seasons or so. Whoa. It was such a throwaway thing so I don't see it as a good sign for the show or anything, but at least it happened.
 

VanWinkle

Member
It seemed with the andy stuff that they realized how much we've grown to hate him and are playing into that, so we won't feel bad for him at all when Erin goes for Pete. and then I guess the show will end with him learning he needs to move on? Who knows. Anyway it had direction. wasn't good, wasn't bad.

What annoys me is that they've already established him as a certain character (completely different than he was in season 3, but still), and someone who loves Erin and would never be mean to her. So even though I didn't think the two actors had chemistry or that it made much sense, I don't like that they're having him going out of character and being mean and cold to her. It's frustrating. And it's not like anybody is rooting for Erin and Pete. He's not an established character, even in this season.

But the Dwight call plot...was hysterical. I am astounded at how much I laughed during that. I can't remember actually liking a joke like that for seasons or so. Whoa. It was such a throwaway thing so I don't see it as a good sign for the show or anything, but at least it happened.

It was okay, but I didn't like when they would have Pam do an accent because it was so painfully obvious that it was her. I kind of cringed when you could hear her over the phone saying "please hold for [so and so]" or something and it was just like "ugh. that's so obviously Pam".
 

Chittagong

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That was an amazing episode. The Dwight plot was fantastic through and through, and Kevin was hilarious. Andy stuff was shrug worthy at best.
 
...what was up with Dwight this episode?

I can't figure out what they're tying to do with the Oscar/Angela thing. Is that literally the only way to make us root for Angela?

the new guys are still useless and don't fit in at all with their plots from the first couple episodes
 

DrEvil

not a medical professional
I still question why they're rewriting the same fucking story with Erin and the intern as jim and pam.. is it supposed to be a tongue in cheek "ha ha look what we're doing, derp derp" type thing, or are they seriously trying to just re-do the Jim and Pam thing again? He even looks at the camera the same way..

gah.
 

Enco

Member
Wow.

That was a surprisingly hilarious episode.

Everything was brilliant apart from Andy. Lots of laughs.
 

OnPoint

Member
Wow lots of replies from that episode... lol

Did they just kill Jim's hopes and dreams, or is this setting up an exit for Jim from the show...
 
Pedo Toby was the best. I think they're setting up Jim and Pam leaving Scranton. Erin and Andy well probably have a forced bullshit happy ending. Michael Scott returns with his wife and kids. Dunder Mifflin goes down for good and everyone retires. The End.
 

J10

Banned
I lost my shit when Erin was describing New Jim's mustache. Her delivery is always so on point. The rest of the episode was crap, but I like that the Oscar situation is finally coming to a head. Jan looked great as always.
 

Arment

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...what was up with Dwight this episode?

I can't figure out what they're tying to do with the Oscar/Angela thing. Is that literally the only way to make us root for Angela?

the new guys are still useless and don't fit in at all with their plots from the first couple episodes

I'm still not rooting for Angela really.
 

OnPoint

Member
I'm still not rooting for Angela really.

How can you? She's obnoxious about the whole situation with the Senator from the moment she meets him, they never redeemed her from the Andy/Dwight thing. I mean, it doesn't justify what Oscar is doing, but it's not making me root for her in any way.
 

Quick

Banned
Okay, it was stupid, but enjoyable. I enjoyed the card stacking, very old-style Office.

The Jim story was forgetful. Either I missed an episode, I missed some sort of beginning somehow, or I'm misinterpreting "this isn't working out" from the last episode. No big deal, though.

I like that the Oscar and Senator thing is almost done with.

Final scene with Angela and Dwight asking Toby about gay people genuinely made me laugh. Especially the last question.
 

VanWinkle

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First half of Season 4 is really good. Fun Run and Dinner Party are two of the best episodes of the entire series.

Definitely. I loved the first half of season 4. (although I personally wasn't huge into Dinner Party since it was really awkward)

I've just given up on expecting there to be a decent episode from here on out. My fiancee and I were watching this tonight and were just blown away by how terrible this show has gotten.
 

Enco

Member
Wow. What the hell did I just watch?

Has everyone turned into a complete moron? Angela wanted to kill someone? Everyone wanted to lose a client? Jesus.

The Jim/Stanley/Phillis part was pretty fun but that's about it. Shame after the last 1-2 good episodes.
 

Cousteau

Member
Watching the last few seasons has been similar to sitting in a room, with a long lost friend.Looking but not really wanting to look.Gazing into the casket,wondering where all the time went.The good time.Leaving before the service is completely over seems so unfair to them and to you.But, as a cold,lifeless, soulless shell, this isnt how you want to remember your friend.So you just sit there, waiting, hoping it ends sooner rather than later so you can get back to remembering the good times.
 

Link

The Autumn Wind
I liked this episode. Felt old-school with the card stacking. The Jim story was funny, and the Dwight-Angela-Oscar plot was kept surprisingly grounded considering where they could have went with it.
 

J10

Banned
Rainn could barely keep from breaking as he delivered that last line. I can't imagine how hard it must have been to ask that question with a straight face.
 
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