Looking at that whole conversation, I'm not sure why aegies is discouraging comparison of the GPUs by pointing at that slide, or by suggesting the numbers being put out about Durango and Orbis are as airy-fairy as those in that slide.
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Looking at that whole conversation, I'm not sure why aegies is discouraging comparison of the GPUs by pointing at that slide, or by suggesting the numbers being put out about Durango and Orbis are as airy-fairy as those in that slide.
Stereo 1080p or 4k.
The raw teraflop numbers for either console aren't going to tell you much about what they're actually capable of.
Angelus Errare
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esram is faster than edram but more expensive which is why edram is used more.
I genuinely lol'd.
Btw, can anyone be kind enough to explain in lay person terms what exactly is the function of ES or EDRAM? I mean is it the last stop for rendering info to travel to before it actually gets shown on screen and consecutively, the empty space of ES/ED RAM is once again filled with final rendering data to be displayed on screen within a 30th or 60th of a second? Does it mean that the memory consumed by each frame of an image including mesh data, physics data, animation data, lighting data and texture data can at max amount to 32MB, ergo, resolution and AA solutions would have to be adjusted to ensure staying within that limit?
Fourth Storm
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Everything points to UMA, though. Why add complexity? Actually, maybe this is a stupid question, but is there any reason for them to not simply use DIMMs for the main RAM pool?
pharmboy044
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Really dumb question but tesselation, will the Orbis have anything similar to it?
phosphor112
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Well I think that's enough for 2xMSAA "free" but I doubt it would be used for AA, but instead just getting timely renders out without bogging down the system.
I don't know how they'd add up, but the ESRAM would be what communicates with the CPU/GPU while the DDR3 would be communicating with CPU and transferring data to the ESRAM. So you can't just add those two numbers together.
Fourth Storm
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Yes, since they both seem to be based on the same line of GPUs.
The point here is:
Why settle for something that should be standard in 2013? 1080p @ 60fps should be the minimum going forward or the console will already be yesterdays news in 2014. And I don't mean that in terms of "something is always going to be better" because in technology it's already outdated as soon as you buy it pretty much.
Ideally, this is what we need to be shooting for.
ProtomanNeo
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At a reasonable price point? Bullshit.
Does it go for both PS4 and XB3?
Iacobellis
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It won't happen. Most developers favored graphics over gameplay this gen.
Insane Metal
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thuway please tell me what you know. PM me. I promise I won't tell anyone!!
These numbers are not like the '2 TFlop' PS3 number though, I wouldn't dismiss them as similar. They are a reflection of programmable resources, of what will actually run the shaders programmers write. Nothing in isolation tells you anything about performance but that part of a GPU is responsible for the performance of a large part of the render pipeline. If we are comparing GCN compute units to GCN compute units or even to a slightly lesser extent GCN to GCN2, those parts of the GPUs will be more directly comparable than any two console GPUs before.
AgentP
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Where is that pic of the Princes Bride guy? You can't have one pool read/write into a smaller one and add their bandwidth. If you did it right you could get to 102GB/s by not stalling it with the 64GB/s pool.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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thuway please tell me what you know. PM me. I promise I won't tell anyone!!
Not a fair game! My inbox is waiting before yours!
Can Crusher
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Orbis GPU fully supports DX 11 class features. Obviously Sony will use opengl though, but it's the same thing.
Isn't Durango's gpu GCN2? DX 11.1 or whatever
That just shows that you don't know anything about game development. Do you think that a GTX 680 on the PC runs the latest game at 60 FPS because the game was designed for it?
No. High end cards on PC run games at all that speed because effectively they are ahead of what the game is trying to do.
pharmboy044
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Karak
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How about very basic.
Its like a memory supercharger. Allowing very small super fast bursts of speed to the output and if used correctly and wisely allows the use of additional effects to the image before the frame hits the screen.
infinityBCRT
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I just really hope E3 is exciting. I remember being glued to gametrailers.com during E3 2006. every night I'd download all of the videos and just watch it for hours on end. I was fucking blown away by Rainbow Six Vegas and that game ended up totally delivering for me (unfortunately, the sequel did not).
TheGreyHulk
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it would go for anything really.
TF #'s on mordern GPU's just tells you the raw numbers that the compute shaders in a gpu are capable of cruching @ 100% efficiency @ the rated clock speed and in single precision. It tells you nothing else. This is why going to TF score isn't the best thing to do. It gives you a general idea of how powerful the GPU can be, but that's about it. It's pretty vague. You can have a GPU with a high TF rating be outperformed by one with a lower rating in games because the other factors come into play... like architecture efficiency, mem bandwidth, more advanced shader models, better tesselation engines...etc
Insane Metal
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Not a fair game! My inbox is waiting before yours!
Ok but I'm serious, thuway
I'll just share the info with shagg. And shagg will share only with me, deal??
You should be happy.
Ya the sequel was a$60 map pack for the first game. I traded the game back in 2 days later.
So the final rendering solution need not go through the ED/ES RAM and instead it can hold post processing effects and sync with final renders and simultaneously bequeath them with those effects as it comes on screen. Is my dumb ass close?
Also, thank you for taking the pains to explain to me. I really appreciate it.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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I'll show you mine if you show me yours. expect a phone call.
Can Crusher
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Stereo 1080p? We're getting some nice 3D next gen?
Ohhhhhhh, those kinect glass and that omni viewer. I get it.
Fourth Storm
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Oh, is Orbis supposedly based on HD7xxx? It's getting hard to keep track of some of these rumors. Either way, tessellation is supported.
How does this work?
You've told him his source was in trouble. If he was lying and he doesn't have any source, how could your message be effective in any way?
Unless I'm missing something, it seems more believable the info was indeed from some "legit" source (but the info could be wrong, anyway).
Opus Angelorum
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@i-Lo
Correct, the eDRAM/eSRAM can be used to apply things like anti-aliasing, motion blur and depth of field to the final image.
Correct, the eDRAM/eSRAM can be used to apply things like anti-aliasing, motion blur and depth of field to the final image.
SapientWolf
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1080p with 4xSSAA requires about 4x the pixel processing of 4k w/no AA, and has better IQ in all likelihood. Lets get there first before we worry about bumping up the resolution.
clutch.as.it.gets.
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Do you know if devs go with 720p or 1080p for their games? I`m personally prefer 720p with smooth framerates and nice textures.
Insane Metal
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That sounded awkward LOL
Now when you think about it... Yeah. You're right. Explain yourself deanos.
Can Crusher
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Well GCN2 has been pointed out by someone with a good track record as something Durango will have vs Orbis.
(along with ES RAM, amount of Ram)
gaming_noob
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The mods at B3D want zero nonsense. It makes the board much more comfortable to read.
Hard to tell who is trolling and who is being sincere. Dancing around NDA is serious business.
I don't think 4k gaming is something you're going to see much of. Not natively, anyway. 4K is next gen's 1080p.
phosphor112
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So Sony will support it more? (I'm sure they would anyway.. nothing major by any means). I wonder if they can manage GT6 in (at least an option for it) 4k at 60fps... Surely PS4 is at least more powerful than 4 PS3's networked.
GT6 at 4K is possible. But would graphics fidelity in that mode be compromised?
Can Crusher
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What? GT6, a graphics powerhouse running at 4K?
Such a big bump in rez will have to be traded by the lack of detail in the game world.
Proelite
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As far as I know, Orbis compute units are GCN, not GCN2 derivative.
phosphor112
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Of course it would. Can't run full models like that at 4k. GT5 at 4k is beautiful though, so I can't imagine PD implementing a "lite" render mode in 4k that is more of an upgraded GT5 (graphically).
Exactly. My logic here is that, surely PS4 is more powerful than 4 PS3's.
Well the trend is games like Temple Run & Angry Birds being a lot more popular than the games with over the top graphics & with the newer consoles having better NUI that could emulate Touch Controls I think we will see a lot of games that could support 4K.
I think I covered that in my post.
If they're both GCN the numbers would be apples-to-apples as representations of the shading resources on each chip. If one is GCN2 we'll have to look inside the compute units and see what's changed. But they'd still be more easily comparable than any prior pair of console systems on this front.
SapientWolf
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No one really wants GT5 4k next gen. It's just a checkbox on a feature list. The mainstream is going to want something that looks like Project Cars in the PC Screenshot thread.