Well what I was saying is I think the PS6 is the point. So more effort will go into ensuring its balanced for PS6 games and it wouldn't surprise me if PS5 low power mode games are more variable in performance because the whole toolkit isn't available.
Thats the problem, this thing will not get native support for the majority of current ps5 games.
Most of the appeal will center around current PS6 generation titles, not old PS5 generation games, half of which will still be playable on it via cross-generation PS4 SKUS.
That's a very reductive line of thinking. Come on, man, you can do better and are coming off as defensive forceish. Yes, we, oafish humble forum dwellers, should know our place before discussing concerns and questioning hardware when shown the performance data from a mode that is being called a testbed for the handheld performance profile. Sony isn't infallible; they have and can make poor hardware design decisions when taking profit margins into account, we saw this with the ps5 pro, which is a woefully unbalanced system that is severely bandwidth starved and is performing at a disappointing level unable even to make full use of its humble spec uplift and unable to make real use of the rdna4 arch strengths.
You sure about that? A seamless ecosystem is one of the main targets of Sony going forward and seamless bc is nolonger a perk its considered a requirement going forward with games getting more expensive and less releases, the majority of ps5 games released dont have eco mode and they arent getting new patches and if you think Sony can get by with runnning 10-30% of ps5 games being supported on this thing youre in for a shock as is Sony especially since it isnt getting any dedicated releases unlike the switch 2. The vast majority of the library that gamers will have access to for the first few years will be PS5 titles, even on the PS6, games are taking longer and longer to get released we havent even gotten a current gen Naughty dog on the ps5 for e.g and it could be years until we get new titles to established IPS and until then what most gamers will play on this device will be ps5 games. Gamers are going to want to play games like Monster Hunter on the thing, and if it runs at 20fps on the handheld compared to the 30-45fps on the PS5, it's going to lead to consumers being pissed.
We will get very few PS6 releases by the time of launch, and with increased development times the releases will be even slower...., the handheld can't afford to wait or rely on a few PS6 releases to drive sales, since while ps6 users will be happy to bide themselves playing ps5 games at pro settings and 100fps in boost mode in the meantime while ps6 releases trickle in, the canis users will be stuck with the majority of their ps5 library running in unstable unpatched modes which is certainly not a great base to stand on when marketing your device to new gamers especially if ps6 games struggle to run well and its designed more as a midway crossgen machine. That CPU is sticking out as a sore thumb to me but I hope im wrong.
Not true. We will be buying PS6 games from November 2027 onwards, that's what the vast majority of the userbase will playing with.
Not at native 1440p resolution, that's for sure.
Well, I guess we fundamentally disagree on the importance of the PS5 library for the device. You said this won't run games that don't have an eco mode, which is like more than 90% of the PS5 library, as if thats no biggy. I think you're seriously underselling the impact of not having access to those games, or even if access is given at unstable performance profiles, but let's agree to disagree.
Not true. We will be buying PS6 games from November 2027 onwards, that's what the vast majority of the userbase will playing with.
Whether those titles will be next-generation excluives or not is irrelevant.
Not at native 1440p resolution, that's for sure.
How should I know? Why should I be concerned, even? 95% of games in the market will still run ot it without major problems.
I'm just saying that half of those games already having PS4 versions and consumers ultimately, mostly just caring about new PS6 games (bar live service titles, but those are bound to be natively updated, anyway) reduces whatever impact having a limited PS5 library would have. It's not like the priority for people at large will be to play old 2024-2027 PS5 games on a PlayStation SIX device.
The idea is start building a library now for that lower profile and maybe make it mandatory prior release. Everything can be scaled down. And before you define those "acceptable settings" please remember that Switch sold 150 mill units.
You really exagerate. I played Demon's souls with this mode and didn't noticed any drops. You really have to look for specific spots, which DF did. It's 30fps 99% of the time in that mode. Also it's still the same 1440p resolution, they could have reduced it to remove the drops altogether and maybe run it at 40fps or near the VRR limit.
I have played Demon's Souls, and that area is far from the most demanding in the game; it dropped frames with just a few dreglings running around. The most demanding areas are the valley of defilment and shrine of storms, and if its dropping frames here, its going to be worse there. Demons souls remake is also one of the most consistent and stable games framerate wise so a bit of an outlier compared to the average ps5 game. You're assuming the framerate drops are because of the GPU only, but what about the cpu with 4 cores? Gpu workloads can be scaled down relatively easily, especially with res drops, but cpu workloads cannot. The thing that worries me about the system is not the gpu side, this thing can scale well into the early parts of the ps6 gen with its gpu arch but how will it scale with cpu workloads is the worry. The new arch advancement will make up for the lowerclocks and probably gain some ground core by core over the ps5 but 4cores could still cause headaches when scaling games that push the ps5 with framerate drops.
Yeah I get the idea about building the lower profile now, but the majority of the ps5 library is without eco modes. The switch is a completely different market, nitendo has never relied on tech, hardware and performance as a selling point, there are barely any expectatiions there and there is little to no reliance on third party for its consumer bases wallet, they can literally throw out an abomination of a pokemon game with atrocious inconsistent and underwhelming visuals running even by by ps2 standards and terrible framerates and gamebreaking bugs and it still sold gangbusters with the nitendo fans agressively defending the game.
I think looking at the Strix Halo, which is an absolute behemoth of an APU and awfully bloated on the CPU side with an NPU and 16 CPU cores, one can be optimistic about AMD hitting a good performance profile when scaling down, especially on the GPU side. TDP does not scale linearly, especially when scaling down, and we saw with the switch 2 that it performs relatively close to the series S, even though it runs at around 15W docked meanwhile the series S is 100W. Keep in mind that the switch 2 is on an old 8nm node too, and a very old architecture impressive as it is compared to recent amd handheld offerings. With what we are hearing about the rdna5 the arch is approaching Blackwell levels of performance/efficiency, so it should be able to come quite close to the ps5 performance profile when running at a lower resolution on the gpu side. The real worry is the CPU its not the TDP but the lack of hardware which could cause this thing to fall short of the ps5 performance profile. Half the cpu cores running at low clocks could mean even with the GPU performing admirably, this thing could still fail to hit the performance profile that was expected.
Yeah because mums, dads and kiddies will just understand that, do you realise the world we live in with the amount of stupid people. I'm not talking about you and me being confused.
That logic does not apply when one is a home console and the other is a handheld console.
I mean understand differences in specs and features, ray charles could tell the differences between something handheld and a home console lol
I think most people understand that handheld consoles are less powerful than home consoles. People are literally not THAT stupid.
Tell me your young without telling me you're young. Yes they are as someone in there 40s, I cantell you from my own life experience. Mums and dads and casual gamers are, I see them asking stupid questions on Facebook groups and other forums all the time. You can't be that naive.
I don't agree, but anyway, what confusion do you think this will cause? Will these stupid consumers somehow realize that their PS6 Portable isn't playing games at the same settings as main PS6?
what...? how much more simple can it get?
It can be a roughly close measurement, but not representative as PS6 Portable will have a much better, and newer, architecture.
