Pachter -PS4 will feature "hyperrealistic games" and "render games at 240fps"

It's me. The avatar was made by a GAFfer. I thought it was funny, adopted it as my own.

Yes, we're really taping a show about GAF and all the negativity. I think I'm only part of it, think they are going to interview others as well.

Can I propose the first topic for discussion?

"People who know a lot about games but don't get paid for it seem to think we're doing a bad job; do you think it's possible that they're right, and the reason for all the negativity directed at us is actually our own ignorance?"

And then you guys can quickly say "LOL NO" then follow it up by patting one another on the back for an hour.
 

Mully

Member
What the fuck?

As if he hasn't destroyed his credibility already, he comes out with this shit. What in the fucking fuck?
 

UV-6

Member
The term 'analyst' really is pretty much redundant these days thanks to people like Pachter. No offence, dude.
 

nbthedude

Member
It's me. The avatar was made by a GAFfer. I thought it was funny, adopted it as my own.

Yes, we're really taping a show about GAF and all the negativity. I think I'm only part of it, think they are going to interview others as well.

So a videogame website is making a video attacking another videogame website? That doesn't sound very professional. It sounds self serving.

For the record, part of the reason I like GAF is that it is much more skeptical than the typical gaming website/gaming community.

Film critics tend to be the hardest on films while mainstrean audiences accuse them of being "too critical" or "reading too much" into films.

Meanwhile in the game's media, game reviewers are typically the cheerleaders. They function much more often as an extended end of marketing and show sympathy for the "hard work" it is to make big blockbuster games. It is kind of sad, in my opinion. It would be like if film reviewers constantly accused audiences of demanding too much from their entertainment and about being too "entitled" and talked about how hard it was to make good films.

I don't think I have ever in my life seen a film critic take that stance, but it very, very common in the game's media. It is left up to the community to develop a strong critical eye. That is what GAF provides. I wish critics would do it themselves, though. It is their job.
 

PnCIa

Member
Jesus, they went from 1080p/60 FPS to 4k at 240 FPS?
Must be all the secret sauce, wizard jizz and fairy spit in there.
 

Amir0x

Banned
It's me. The avatar was made by a GAFfer. I thought it was funny, adopted it as my own.

Yes, we're really taping a show about GAF and all the negativity. I think I'm only part of it, think they are going to interview others as well.

Seriously can't wait to see what sort of self-congratulating nonsense the video is. Sort of a tree-hugging hippie jerk off, I'm sure.

'Why do they just hate everything!? Can't they simply fellate the games they spend $60 on and be done with it!?'
 

Omega

Banned
So has he actually said what made him come to the conclusion that FUSE will sell 5 million? I've read the entire thread and didn't see anything. Maybe he posted in that thread.

because I really want to know why he thinks it will.
 
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Deleted member 80556

Unconfirmed Member
Straight into my veins

I was waiting for your reply! Perfect.

And I wouldn't be too worried about that video. If anyone takes too serious a bloody gaming forum, they have tolerance issues.
 
There is no question that GTA will have immersive multiplayer. It seems to me (bring it on, GAFfers) that the vast majority of time spent on multiplayer is spent on military-style FPS (games with a clear balance that makes sense) or on sports multiplayer (again, balanced in a way that makes sense). Tomb Raider is trying to do this with Scavenger vs. Survivor (or something like that), other games have tried it, but none has succeeded in a mass-market way like military shooters, space shooters, and sports games. I think that 80% or more of multiplayer hours are spent on these games, and think that other games with multiplayer are facing an uphill battle to attract players in the same way that Call of Duty or FIFA has.

With that said, while I think GTA will definitely have multiplayer, I don't think it has a prayer of approaching the 25 million monthly active uniques Activision claimed in July 2012. GTA has always been primarily a single player experience, and the addition of multiplayer is unlikely to feel as familiar to multiplayer addicts as Call of Duty feels, since the game is likely to pit gang vs. gang instead of army vs. army. So my belief is that the first 15 million in sales are a lock, but that the next 10 million will require attracting people addicted to FIFA and CoD multiplayer; I think that is more of a challenge.

For the record, your post was thoughtful and logical, and I appreciate the dialogue.

WHAT? He was very clearly making fun of you
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Do you know that GTA IV has a very large online multiplayer following? That the game (and the two add-ons) has large multiplayer parts?

Have you even seen the sales of GTA IV? It's sold 25 million copies alone.

Where are you pulling the percentage guesswork from? What are you basing your numbers on? Do you not think that a large percent plays driving games (like Mario Kart) online or plays local multiplayer games that aren't shooters or sports games?

What are the basis for you extremely accurate predictions and assumptions?
 

apana

Member
It's me. The avatar was made by a GAFfer. I thought it was funny, adopted it as my own.

Yes, we're really taping a show about GAF and all the negativity. I think I'm only part of it, think they are going to interview others as well.

You do realize what else is out there on the internet right? GAF is one of the most civilized places, try reading yahoo comments. Though I have to admit I am kind of looking forward to this video, just for the fun that will result from it.
 
Couldn't you technically make games run at 240FPS on the PlayStation 3? Or even the PlayStation 2?
No, the PS3 uses HDMI 1.4a, so 1080p60 max. 1.4b supports 1080p120, 2.0 might support 1080p240

Pachter might have confused 240Hz support with 'games will run at 240Hz'
 

mhayze

Member
If the PS4 really has a feature that is actively pushed and supported to render at 120hz+ (i.e. 1080p120) in 2D or 240hz in 3D, I will buy it day 1. I would be quite surprised though.
 

nbthedude

Member
Keighley

McElroy

Dyack

Satterfield

Pachter

Malka

There is your dream lineup for the show, Michael.

Who was the EA (or Microsoft?) marketing guy that came on GAF after E3 and accused everyone of being losers who lived in their basement and said "What have you done with your life?" That guy needs to be on too.
 

L1NETT

Member
I like coming to GAF because it is critical and has well thought out debate on a hobby I am passionate about. For me, this is one of the best places to discuss video games so for someone to call out all the "assholes" on this site is a real strange one.
oh and the meltdowns. I do love em

I for one am looking forward to these "professionals" having a strop session on our behalf. Real classy guys.
 

Omega

Banned
So a videogame website is making a video attacking another videogame website? That doesn't sound very professional. It sounds self serving.

For the record, part of the reason I like GAF is that it is much more skeptical than the typical gaming website/gaming community.

Film critics tend to be the hardest on films while mainstrean audiences accuse them of being "too critical" or "reading too much" into films.

Meanwhile in the game's media, game reviewers are typically the cheerleaders. They function much more often as an extended end of marketing and show sympathy for the "hard work" it is to make big blockbuster games. It is kind of sad, in my opinion. It would be like if film reviewers constantly accused audiences of demanding too much from their entertainment and about being too "entitled" and talked about how hard it was to make good films.

I don't think I have ever in my life seen a film critic take that stance, but it very, very common in the game's media. It is left up to the community to develop a strong critical eye. That is what GAF provides. I wish critics would do it themselves, though. It is their job.

This is a good post and sums up GAF and the game industry.

GAF is very critical but it's not like everyone on here is 100% negative. For every Derrick01, there's a Tricky I Shadow

edit - thanks Dennis
 

Dennis

Banned
This is a good post and sums up GAF and the game industry.

GAF is very critical but it's not like everyone on here is 100% negative. For every Derrick01, there's that guy (forget his username) that thinks Tomb Raider is going to be the greatest game ever.

Tricky I Shadow
 

VE3TRO

Formerly Gizmowned
When I see Pachter mentioned I always take it with a grain of salt. Also will this show be on the comedy channel?
 
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Deleted member 22576

Unconfirmed Member
Oh maaaaan, this thread is a treat. I haven't even had coffee yet. Reading his response, it almost sounds like a reasonably innocent faux-pas. But then you remember who we're dealing with.
 

benny_a

extra source of jiggaflops
They probably prefer places like gamefaqs where everyone felates their console of choice over the reasonable cynicism found here.
Well there is also a certain element of GAF which I would describe as trying to out-negative the last negative post. Escalation of negativity.

I'll take the good with the bad though. But not everything here is reasonable.
 
Do some people here not get the difference between "can render games at 240fps" and "will render games at 240fps"? Imo this is just an example to show someone that a console is much more powerful than it's predecessor. Maybe not the best example, but how would you explain with only a few words to someone who isn't into tech how powerful the PS4 will be?
 

UberTag

Member
there is an old saying that if you do not know what you are talking about you should not speak about it. unfortunately in this world we live right now that behavior is rewarded.
Can we blame Twitter for perpetuating this nonsense? I think we should.
All of a sudden it's not how much one knows that important. Simply how loudly one is able to project their voice.
Actually providing an informed perspective is secondary.

And while one can certainly poke holes in Pachter's spotty prognostication record, I don't believe anyone can deny that he is a MASTER at speaking loudly in ways that the gaming media will embrace whatever contribution he cares to bring to the table.

Frankly, the only way to do away with Pachter isn't to poke holes in his statements but to provide an alternative "analyst spokesperson" that is both louder and more clairvoyant than he is. Someone that's able to work the media in the ways they like to be worked.

Until such a person surfaces, it will be Pachter all day, every day talking to his babies just like it has been up until now. (And, most of these PS4 comments are harmless... as many of you in this thread have already pointed out. The system has the potential to be a powerhouse. Nothing here we haven't heard before.)

I think Pachter likes to rile up GAF because he hasn't been given a worthy challenger to his throne. You'd think with all of those active podcasts out there someone would have stepped up to the plate by now.
 

Reiko

Banned
Gemüsepizza;47252132 said:
Do some people here not get the difference between "can render games at 240fps" and "will render games at 240fps"? Imo this is just an example to show someone that a console is much more powerful than it's predecessor.

Except the Xbox 360 and PS3 could theoretically do 240fps too...
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
Who was the EA (or Microsoft?) marketing guy that came on GAF after E3 and accused everyone of being losers who lived in their basement and said "What have you done with your life?" That guy needs to be on too.

Jeff Bell, Microsoft VP.

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He resigned shortly thereafter.
 

FStop7

Banned
There is no way he is Pachter. No way.

His avatar is just ridiculous, I can't take him serious. Wasn't there someone who said mods should approve and tag a Pachter account just earlier in the thread?

EDIT: Here it is:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47245602&postcount=9

This is so freaking fake.

EDIT 2: And please, like he's going to do a show about a single forum. Please. GAF is big, but not like that.

It is him, he's posted (albeit infrequently) multiple times over the years.

Yes, we're really taping a show about GAF and all the negativity. I think I'm only part of it, think they are going to interview others as well.

Will EviLore or someone else speaking for GAF be invited to participate or is this just going to be another VGJ circle jerk?
 

volturnus

Banned
There is no question that GTA will have immersive multiplayer. It seems to me (bring it on, GAFfers) that the vast majority of time spent on multiplayer is spent on military-style FPS (games with a clear balance that makes sense) or on sports multiplayer (again, balanced in a way that makes sense). Tomb Raider is trying to do this with Scavenger vs. Survivor (or something like that), other games have tried it, but none has succeeded in a mass-market way like military shooters, space shooters, and sports games. I think that 80% or more of multiplayer hours are spent on these games, and think that other games with multiplayer are facing an uphill battle to attract players in the same way that Call of Duty or FIFA has.

With that said, while I think GTA will definitely have multiplayer, I don't think it has a prayer of approaching the 25 million monthly active uniques Activision claimed in July 2012. GTA has always been primarily a single player experience, and the addition of multiplayer is unlikely to feel as familiar to multiplayer addicts as Call of Duty feels, since the game is likely to pit gang vs. gang instead of army vs. army. So my belief is that the first 15 million in sales are a lock, but that the next 10 million will require attracting people addicted to FIFA and CoD multiplayer; I think that is more of a challenge.

For the record, your post was thoughtful and logical, and I appreciate the dialogue.
MOBA games don't count because they're not on consoles or do you know that little about gaming?
 

BlazinAm

Junior Member
Is it the Orbis that people/certain press persons believe will support the Occlus Rift?

At that point Pachter is not that far off. Well he is but you know.
 
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