Microsoft Conference: Will they Bring It Like Sony Did?
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Uno Venova
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How is games that are interesting to the individual and games actually being there the same?
Right, an astounding attach rate for not being packaged and sold with a console designed from the ground up with it. Make absolutely no mistake, Xbox 720 is Kinect. If you want to believe otherwise thats up to you. I wish you well and godspeed.
Why can't they do both? They've never given any indication that they were abandoning traditional gaming wholesale.
What? Halo 4 sold very well, and is actually a very good game. It's certainly an IP that Sony has no answer for. For an "end of console life" release, it was acceptable, more so than anything Sony has put out as of late.
And I'm not trying to "console war" you, so please don't take this the wrong way. I just honestly do not see the reason for all the optimism surrounding the PS4 by the gaming community as a whole.
But.....Sony brought nothing! They didn't even show an image, or a prototype image of the PS4. So far all we've got is what they've said, and even still they sounded cagey about that too.
Microsoft are going to bring it bigtime with the Nextbox, IMO
BishopLamont
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Microsoft is gonna blow Sony out of the water. Besides the "next-gen" eye candy wow factor, Sony didn't bring shit to the table.
Halo Anniversary used Kinect.
So did Mass Effect 3.
So Suspend/Resume, background download & install, play while you download, try before you buy are nothing then? I understand if your allegiances lie with Microsoft but why ignore the competition?
ChosenPredator
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I agree, actually I think even if they hypothetically do "bring it" this place still might not give them any sort of credit.
SonicMegaDrive
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Wait, did Sony 'bring it'? Most of the reactions I've seen from their conference makes it seem like they didn't show much at all.
Cool your hype as it can only lead to disappointment. In all seriousness, their talk about BC sounded really shaky to me.
He didn't specify that in his post. And the post he replied to was talking about how important it is to have software that appeals to the general public.
Uno Venova
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I would say so, for a reveal the impressions here and to the features and games they showed were very positive.
The post you quoted said my opinion.
Arkam
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It was less the lack of wow content as it was the lack of any real enthusiasm. Just about every one one stage was as wooden as could be. They also had far too long of intros for each game. Yes we like to hear about teh design theory, but we also dont want to have to wait 5-7min between game footage. It made teh entire event a snooze fest ans drag on and on.
They could have cut the conference down to about 30min and had me walking away much more enthused. I am sure many have seen the PS4 commercial on Youtube now, THAT got me more amped for the PS4 then sitting through the announcement.
So in all honestly, all MS has to do is come out with some people how look like they care actually and have better event pacing.
pants
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Software wise sony didnt really bring anything that surprising nor games I would usually look out for and drool. They did however bring a first class hardware and dev solution and this in itself is amazing/exciting as I cant wait for my favorite devs to show what they can do with it.
This is crazy talk. For the first few years of the Xbox 360 MS had amazing E3 showings and GAF generally agreed that they "won" E3. Remember GTA IV and RE5? However, the last few years their shows have clearly not been directed at us and they have lost favor. I also think part of this is due to Mattrick he just seems so awkward on stage and doesn't have the same magnetic personality and confidence that Peter Moore had.
Interfectum
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I would pose the theory that if not for the 8GB GDDR5 megaton bomb, reactions here would be a lot more mixed. Once Sony solidified hardware power dominance (for now) anything else they said was gravy.
Great hardware. (8GB GDDR5!)
Games (nothing too mindblowing, but good enough)
A few mini-megatons: Diablo III and The Witness)
Some neat PSN ideas
I think they did pretty well.
I guess there's two ways of reading that sentence. I read it as him describing E3, and then going on to state his opinion about how there's no reason to be optimistic.
Either way, such a description and/or opinion comes off as silly when he's replying to a post that's talking about the importance of appealing software to the general public.
LowEndTorque
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Hoo boy, this upcoming console war is going to be absolutely incredible.
And by war, I mean both between the console makers and between the fanboys. Things are going to get mighty entertaining around here. They already are.
And by war, I mean both between the console makers and between the fanboys. Things are going to get mighty entertaining around here. They already are.
Beer Monkey
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Yeah, and the Wii U is the gamepad and the Vita is the touch pad on the back that nobody uses.
+1. It's like 2005 all over again. And we just had a legendary NPD thread, haven't you missed those?
Agreed. That's really the most exciting part of this, IMO. PC games have been kneecapped for many years now thanks to most of the AAA titles being ports of games targeted at ancient hardware.
Nobody is excited about shit like Killzone or Infamous, which were rejected by the general public last gen too. It's the stuff done by competent devs , like DICE and CD Projekt, that has my mouth watering. The next Witcher and BF4 are going to be mind blowing.
And, the next Bethesda RPG. THAT is going to be something very special.
I see that as a good thing however.
Remember back when the 360 was unveiled, and everything running on it was actually running on twin Powermac G5's? The cases were empty?
Then remember how terribly designed the interior of the launch 360 was, how it didn't have adequate cooling? The placement of the GPU and DVD Drive added to the issue?
I'd much rather Sony take their time designing the innards (like something designed from a performance and reliability standpoint), than show an empty shell like MS, then cry bloody murder when something pops up and they can't fit everything into the design they cooked up without a horrendous failure rate.
I really don't understand what the big deal is that Sony didn't show the black box that everything sits inside?
Interfectum
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Did MS already show off the new Xbox? You got a link to the conference?
Uno Venova
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It was a huge surprise even though it was rumored, but people were already positive on the hardware and saw it as the more powerful even with the 4GB.
Ok so the xbox doesn't have Suspend/Resume, it does have background download (no need for install it does it as it downloads), play while you download ? (not sure if you mean play the parts of the game already downloaded or play a game while downloading, because you can already do that with the xbox) Try before you buy, otherwise known as Trial versions, or Demos, which the xbox already has.
Wow......Sony are real innovators now!
Not trying to start a console war, its just this post was just plain silly.
No offence intended
GazzaScotland
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Not a bad shout really, E3 gets much more coverage from the mainstream so would make sense for them to focus more heavily on the casual there. Which will make from some great reading on here.
I see this happening as well. MS will try to appeal to the broader market I believe and it'll definitely show in their conference.
This is true, E3 has become massively mainstreamed in terms of content shown there, where it used to be it was games discussed for consoles, both microsoft and sony (albeit to a lesser extent) began showcasing the entertainment aspects of their consoles more than the actual games. (Big flaw IMO on microsofts part, they spend more time in their presentations on their entertainment apps than showcasing new titles, or new IP's)
Wut.
The appearance of the console is very low on the things that matter about the console. The gameplay, pricing, services and capabilities of the console are the clincher.
Putting the vocal and vehement fanboys aside on all sides i think both conferences in general will be cosidered ho hum. Biggest reason is the majority of people frothing for these. gaming websites and GAF has known the general specs in advance and most of this is just telling us what we already know. Thats why for most the 8GB ram reveal was the highlight of the Sony presser because it was an unknown. Peoples expectations for what these pressers are meant for are way off. The meat people are looking for is still meant for E3. These events are more of yea you got us, we have next gen consoles coming. heres an appetizer before we serve up the main course.
What do you honestly expect them to bring? They will have similar but seemingly worse specs, they got shooters, racers and kinect. Not expecting any big surprises. Maybe they'll show the next call of duty or some more destiny footage, but they don't really have any big exclusives left.
I can't even fathom what kind of big reveal MS could have.
The streaming stuff sounded neat, and the concept of gaikai is all the in potential for now, but being able to just play shit off the store or entire PS1-PS3 library off what would likely be a single subscription cost is huge. Playing shit directly off the store through streaming to try it out is sweet too.
I expect that they'll "bring it like Sony did", but god do I ever hope they don't. Unfortunately, neither company really has an incentive to work toward a stable gaming industry, because their main concern is upselling you on additional services, and because they benefit directly from the increased stratification and blockbusterization of the industry.
At the very least, if their hardware is cheaper and relatively modest in comparison, the necessity of cross-platform development means that the bar for the industry will be set at a lower, slightly less unreasonable level than Sony seems to be pushing. That's about as optimistic as I can be about it.
At the very least, if their hardware is cheaper and relatively modest in comparison, the necessity of cross-platform development means that the bar for the industry will be set at a lower, slightly less unreasonable level than Sony seems to be pushing. That's about as optimistic as I can be about it.
I want your Xbox.
No seriously, background downloading is already there, granted it runs through the cloud service like a buffer, but it still works. I really don't get what he meant by play while downloading as background downloading still covers that, unless like I said, he meant streaming the game while it was downloading.
As for the try before you buy, still not quite sure what he means by that either. The only thing I can really think of IS trial games/demos.
GazzaScotland
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Aye, not saying I particularly enjoy it. But E3 isn't what is was a back when. The core demographics will get the information they want without needing it spoon fed to them at E3. Sony's event, Microsoft's upcoming event and Nintendo Direct things all get the information to people.
People who want to know the information will find out no matter when/where its announced as it filters down to forums/news sites/Youtube. E3 is the one big shot a year they have to reach a much wider audience so going forward I can see it just becoming less and less appealing to us on here but will be the right thing for them all to do business wise.
It would mean its possible to play a full game through the streaming service immediately, without having to buy it or download anything. Streaming is still a developing technology, but the potential feature list is huge.
Get back to me after E3 with your doubts, i will be here waiting. Its not hard or difficult to see MS endgame on this. They could never take Kinect to its full fruitation with 360 because of HW limitations and not being packaged as part of every Xbox console for developers. 720 is a whole new ballgame and we have already seen the pregame. Wii was just a motion control device, MS views and is treating Kinect as something much more and fully ingrained. 720 is their fully realized platform for it. If people are thinking just games in this regard you are thinking to small. Everything you do, watch or play will be through Kinect. As far as MS will be concerned anyways.
BishopLamont
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I'm guessing Microsoft will show more exclusives. Its the main thing thats gonna differentiate the two consoles if they're both gonna go the specs route again. That and any other online features.
Oh and they're also gonna show the actual console design. Thats already a win for them.
Can I play a digital game before it finishes downloading on the 360 or do I have to wait for the game to finish downloading before I can play it?
I don't think you paid attention to the PS Meeting at all
Hehe, last time it was fun and it resulted in a nice list of banned and blocked users. Also a great source of quotes for post launch crow to braggarts.
As to OP, I think MS can get a ton of buzz and press by showing more casual stuff, if that's part of their focus, because then it can be discussed in mainstream media and not just gaming media.
It will be interesting regardless.
Glorified G
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If they bring Killer Instinct 3, they can show all the kinect/apps garbage all they want.
FonkyByNature
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Media Molecule ? god, now you're really trying too hard.
Jealous of Sony ?
I think Microsoft are gonna have a very good presentation since Sony did it first and they know where the bar is at now. They will definitly do better, MS has all the money they want so...
I'm buying only one next gen console this year, the one that has the games that i want, because we're all here for games. I expect media features to be pretty much the same for both.
MS or Sony ? impress me and we'll see.
Nah. Cirque du Soleil. They'll make a spectacle of the event.
My poncho is ready.