Microsoft Conference: Will they Bring It Like Sony Did?
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Raven77
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Not sure why your harping on it, replace "Karaoke" with "dance game" if its really that important.
Also, they have a Karaoke Kinect game, check the Marketplace.
Mr.Wreckless
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Sony absolutely tried to push Move hard, its just that nobody wanted it. People just saw it as a Wii copy cat and they already had a Wii so why bother.
Sony pushed Move and it was a catastrophic failure so they dropped it, Microsoft pushed Kinect and people actually took to it. Thats the difference and why MS continued with Kinect.
Raven77
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I was referring mostly to marketing, commercials and stuff. IDK, thats just the way it seemed to me.
DangerousDave
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You missed PGR 5. It was on Sony conference.
quickwhips
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pr0cs
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This doesn't make sense, we're basing value of a product on if it was advertised or not?
I'm on record as being a long time Microsoft fan. Xbox 360 was great in 2005, and it gave me 5.5 years of awesome gaming. I didn't mind paying for XBL gold, cause the party experience was just so good for games like COD and Halo. I loved it.
Microsoft's focus-shift to Kinect, and the living room entertainment box, rubbed me the wrong way. Not because I didn't want my 360 to be more robust, it's just that I thought they were basically stalling on delivering the next generation of gaming hardware and justifying it by telling me how much better Kinect would make my gaming experiences, etc.
The end result was, Microsoft and their casual/kinect focus/stalling just drove me back to PC.
So I'm sittin here with dual 7970s and loving Steam and PC gaming. Yet, I long for a new console.
Sony impressed the hell out of me with what they have announced. Their focus, and their hardware. I'm still worried about PSN, and if it can deliver the same way XBL does for gaming with friends. Time will tell. But right now I'm at least leaning toward giving PS4 a purchase on launch.
Microsoft needs to impress the hell out of me in order to sway me back into their court. I don't want a dash board riddled with advertisements, cramming this Zune song/movie and that kinect function and some other avatar sale item down my throat. I want my dash clean, elegant, and completely customizable. I want powerful gaming hardware, and I don't want to be bothered with Kinect. I want to be able to opt out of it, in all things. I don't care if its sophisticated enough to estimate my penis size based on crotch bulge (hint: it's small) or if it tracks my dance moves better, or whatever .. So I hope MS's gaming focus isn't as kinect centric as I'm hearing.
I want a sick ass game console that's as powerful or more than my gaming PC, is focused on the kinds of games I like, that has apps for doing other things I love, but lets me choose things like the content I have displayed on my dashboard and how I want to interact with the system.
Microsoft's focus-shift to Kinect, and the living room entertainment box, rubbed me the wrong way. Not because I didn't want my 360 to be more robust, it's just that I thought they were basically stalling on delivering the next generation of gaming hardware and justifying it by telling me how much better Kinect would make my gaming experiences, etc.
The end result was, Microsoft and their casual/kinect focus/stalling just drove me back to PC.
So I'm sittin here with dual 7970s and loving Steam and PC gaming. Yet, I long for a new console.
Sony impressed the hell out of me with what they have announced. Their focus, and their hardware. I'm still worried about PSN, and if it can deliver the same way XBL does for gaming with friends. Time will tell. But right now I'm at least leaning toward giving PS4 a purchase on launch.
Microsoft needs to impress the hell out of me in order to sway me back into their court. I don't want a dash board riddled with advertisements, cramming this Zune song/movie and that kinect function and some other avatar sale item down my throat. I want my dash clean, elegant, and completely customizable. I want powerful gaming hardware, and I don't want to be bothered with Kinect. I want to be able to opt out of it, in all things. I don't care if its sophisticated enough to estimate my penis size based on crotch bulge (hint: it's small) or if it tracks my dance moves better, or whatever .. So I hope MS's gaming focus isn't as kinect centric as I'm hearing.
I want a sick ass game console that's as powerful or more than my gaming PC, is focused on the kinds of games I like, that has apps for doing other things I love, but lets me choose things like the content I have displayed on my dashboard and how I want to interact with the system.
quickwhips
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Can we start a new thread to talk about move and kinect...
Steverulez
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If they drag out Destiny, it will seem like a "me too" thing after Sony had it at theirs and have exclusive content. Also seeing as Bungie dont seem to want to show any footage of the game id much rather MS didnt waste time on it.
False don't make up fake standards for Kinect that somebow does t exist for ANY console.
When Sony showed off Move that year people thought it would be a success period. When people saw Sorcery it got nothing but love.
The fact is the Pachter and the media thought Kinect would fail on arrival and it didnt. The fact is in this very thread you and others are trying to pretend that millions upon millions of standalone Kinects didn't sell.
In fact you tried so hard to denounce Kinect that you made up an entire Kinecf game that doesnt exist.
Regardless of how people feel a out the device it's prove. To have contributed largely to the success of the 369 very late in it's console life.
Despite how many Sony fans bash any Kinect games and use as much hyperbole to pretend it doesn't work, it does.
No matter how people spin it if No Kinect game worked and lived up to the negativity on forums, it would have done Tony Hawk numbers.
All Kinect games aren't successful just like all non-motion control retail games with over 3 times The install base don't sell as well.
DangerousDave
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Project Gotham lead Ged Talbot has found a new home at Sony's Evolution Studios, developer of the Motorstorm series, CVG understands.
And now, Evolution Studios presents Drive Club.
Voice of Reason
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I wouldn't be mad if this happened. Especially 1 vs 100, megaton.
Tripp Daily
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I don't think you know what that means Tripp
Double negative? I was talking about the person you quoted, "no way it won't". I wasn't criticizing you.
EightBitNate
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Honestly, they could say "Alan Wake 2" and leave and I would be satisfied.
BigDaddyFatSack
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80% Kinect/Social
10% their new Xbox OS
10% New Halo and Gears of War
Call it a day.
10% their new Xbox OS
10% New Halo and Gears of War
Call it a day.
quickwhips
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Im sure a game name pgr5 is what i said not who made pgr. But if that adds to the dicussion ok man.
Master Nairb
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Am I the only one that feels like Microsoft destroyed both Nintendo and Sony during this generation? If anything, Sony and Nintendo both need to pull some more impressive stuff soon to stop me from automatically buying the new X-Box day 1. Wii U is cool but is so slow right now and I still feel Sony has a lot to learn from Microsoft about user experience across the Internet.
CrunchinJelly
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PGR series was not made by one man...
Liquid_Bike
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I'm in the same boat, unless MS can pull off a show stopper I'll be getting the PS4. Though if Sony launches at 599 I probably won't get either until a price drop or two.
Cool story.
That's your experience. Your simply not the type of core 360 gamer that MS should target at all.
I'm going be just me. I owned a 360 since launch, 5 and a half years later I can't even imagine the ridiculous amount of games I owned from retail and as well as XBLA. I can't one core Halo, Gears, and Call of Duty fan I have ever come across from friends to family that would literally drop their 360 completely 2 months after Halo Reach came out and Gears 3 was intially slated to come 1st quarter the following year for an optional device that you werent forced to buy in any way.
In fact, I remember and still remember seeing friends who were core 360 gamers that prestige at least 5 to 6 time per Call of Duty, own every big exclusive and major core multi, who were the ones who had huge achievements on Dance Central etc.
Again I'm talking fans of these games, not the guys we see on here that own 2 games and don't actually play their 360.
That would be like a Sony fan getting rid of their PS3 because of EyePet and Start the Party or a casual Nintendo fan who wouldnt by a Wii-U because Zombie-U was a launch title.
Possible by any stretch of the imagination, but highly improbable.
MS shouldn't target some minute fanbase that hates on them for releasing the biggest core exclusives while expanding their audience with an optional device.
Again, they need to go after their true core install base and expand/innovate on what made them successful.
Theres nothing wrong with being a PC gamer from now on though if that's your preference.
LukasTaves
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That's very true, but that also means that as long as sony sees it that way they are never realizing the full potential their tech holds.
If Ms can make kinect 2.0 deliver a compelling experience than sony will be left behind playing catch up trying to get that as an after though on it's console, not much different from what it did to Ps3's online/social capabilities this gen. (Trophies, game invites, system wide chat, etc), or like in the first wave of Ps3 1st party games where supporting the motion sensors in sixaxis seemed as much as a requirement for their devs just to counter the Wii motion gaming.
abacab driver
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Raven77 said:
Gaf just keeps on delivering today.
Sony absolutely pushed Move as hard as they could. They wanted the casual audiences money.
Sony tried to make a better Wiimote and nobody cared.
Microsoft went a different route, and people bought it.
Thats all there is to it.
Even if Sony didnt push it hard enough like you say..is Sony wasting money on a fairly expensive peripheral really something to brag about? The goal is to be successful.
outsida
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I really don't think MS will push Kinect as hard as some people think. IF they bundle it in the box with every NextBox they will not have to try and sell it as hard as they have the last couple of years. I'm thinking services/features and an OK amount of games will be on the agenda. And having had the opportunity to get a look at what Sony did they may even show the console to try and steal some thunder/mind share before E3.
Claiming that Sony didn't push Move very hard is ridiculous.
You must be forgetting about E3 2010 where they made a huge deal about their Coca-Cola partnership and called it "One of the biggest brand partnerships Sony has ever had". And 'blanketing the country' with Move kiosks. Or all of the commercials with Kevin Butler making fun of Wii and Kinect. The Move console bundles. All of the Sony first party titles that were either built specifiially for Move controls or were updated for Move like LBP2.
And then just last week where they announced Move controllers would work on the PS4, and showed a Move demo from Media Molecule, and revealed they will be bundling every PS4 with a camera (just like Microsoft is supposedly doing with Kinect). It certainly looks like it will be a big focus of the next Playstation.
Beerman462
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I don't think EA will go exclusive, but I also don't think CoD Xbros will give up Xbox controllers without a really good reason.
quickwhips
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There will be amazing games shown for xbox. Im excited i really want 1 vs 100.
Why this "COD Xbros" when the best selling games on PS3 are Call of Duty's too?
Winterfang
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pumped for new features, new kinect and new ips. Hopefully the graphics are great. I want a new Fable and Kinect Sports 2.0
Arrogant Menace
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All this Kinect 2.0 talk and we haven't even seen or know what the device can do.
BadAss2961
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If it comes down to games, particularly exclusives, I don't like Microsoft's chances. Of the big three, MS has to rely on third parties the most by far. Halo is literally the only blockbuster IP they own.
And how many blockbuster Ips does Sony own?
Hope you enjoy Joy Ride 2.
And yet all Sony could muster up were two tired IPs and a bunch of multiplatform games.. What great exclusive did they give us last holidays? PSABR? LOL.
Isn't "Cool story Bro"ing people bannable?
Respectfully, your analogy about eye pet misses my point.. I said Microsoft rubbed me the wrong with with their shift toward casual, kinect focused kinect enabled kinect centric kinect kinect. I felt they were stalling the next gen, frankly, under the pretense that this web cam peripheral was what I wanted/needed at this stage of the console life cycle... I didn't like the direction they were taking, which was basically 2 more years of focusing on reaching the clappers/dancers/steppers and sticking the graphics divas (read: me) with old tech and rehashed CODs.
Again, it wasn't that I had anything against making Xbox better, or more robust - but Kinect did neither of those things *for me*. I just made me bitter that because of this trash, I'd have to wait years longer for new console hardware. And it drove me back to the PC.
Because EA won't release NHL Hockey on PC, I still have to lean on my console for hockey. But I can't get past the long load times, unskippable screens of loading, reading, saving, loading loading. Kinect didn't make my games load any faster. It didn't make the framerates better, or the graphics. Or improve my satisfaction with the console in any way. If anything, the games were taking longer and longer to get into, from when you power on to when the puck finally drops.
Everything on PC is near instant. Consoles need to be more like this, and Sony has already said they've made this a huge priority in their press event. I find this very encouraging. I hope Microsoft pays attention.
8 years is a long time. I intend on giving Microsoft every opportunity to sell me on their new console. Just as I do with Sony. But the first words out their mouth had better not be "Kinect 2.0".
"Xbox 360 2.0" or "Xbox Live 2.0" sure. I want to hear about customizable dashboards, quantum leaps in graphics performance, solid state drive and expandable HD options..I want the focus to be on games, and on winning me back. Flailing my hands and yelling orders and swiping and clapping to a camera is all well and good, but I'm not willing to shell out $100 extra just so I can have that "immersion". If it can track 10,000 fingers or just 10, I could not care less. Does it make my console boot faster?
Anyways I digress. I want MS to wow me with their hardware, and impress me with their renewed focus on (I hate this term) core gaming, core gamers. XBL should be blowing us away by now, instead of leaving us wondering why we're still paying *extra* for it. There's lost Microsoft can do to make me care about Xbox 720/Inifnity. Kinect 2.0 is about as enticing to me as detachable faceplates.
I would be extremely disappointed if that was the game lineup. Crackdown would be the only interesting thing and after 2 I'm not sure how interesting it would be.
Arrogant Menace
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By who?
Maybe this time Crackdown will get the standard 3 years development time?
Joy Ride Turbo was pretty fun imo.
They need to make a sequel with similar controls and more stunt parks
mentalfloss
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Sony brought it?
BadAss2961
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Gran Turismo, Uncharted, and God of War.
After those, they have a variety of IPs and studios that can sell a couple million copies of their games.
I mean, it's no PGR, but Joy Ride Turbo was amazing and I hope they're making another.
OldJadedGamer
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Sad thing is what happened to those devs after they made those exclusives. Even the great David Jafee was reduced to iOS games.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
Crackdown 3...PLEASE YES!
Maybe. It just felt like MS didn't care about the IP without a Halo demo/beta to slap onto it.
Yep. Ruffian did what they could with less than a year developmentcycle for 2.
Seems to me they had a window to fill with a game and didn't have anything so got Ruffian to fill it.
BruceLeeRoy
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My apologies I should have realized that when I couldn't understand one thing that other guy posted.
It was Jaffe's choice to leave the big leagues.
Microsoft approached Realtime Worlds in late 2007 regarding the sequel, but they declined since they had their hands full with APB.