League of Legends hits 5 million peak concurrent players.

Dota2 is a better game in almost every way possible than League of Legends. The only thing League has going for it is its ranking system and its hook (winning games - getting points - unlocking shit).

It has -

Worse art direction
Worse graphics
Worse sound/sound effects/limited sound clips
Worse Hero Variety
Worse Meta (which will never change)
Worse strategic options in matches (No tp supporting/ganking as long as wards are up)
Worse Competitive Scene (there are about 15 competitive heroes in League as of right now)
Worse hero balance (you can straight counter pick enemy heroes at top/mid/jungle lanes)

With that last one; Sure there are bad matchups in dota2 as well but League puts an emphasis on getting gold over levels which means a bad matchup in League is REALLY bad. A bad matchup in Dota2 can be overcome by skill/ganking/tp support with your extra levels.

But you know - congrats on 5 mil concurrent.

lol k.

Seriously, you guys are the worst. Play your games and enjoy them. Who gives a crap which is "deeper" or more "competitive".

You people are worse than console fanboys.
 
Dota2 is a better game in almost every way possible than League of Legends. The only thing League has going for it is its ranking system and its hook (winning games - getting points - unlocking shit).

It has -

Worse art direction
Worse graphics
Worse sound/sound effects/limited sound clips
Worse Hero Variety
Worse Meta (which will never change)
Worse strategic options in matches (No tp supporting/ganking as long as wards are up)
Worse Competitive Scene (there are about 15 competitive heroes in League as of right now)
Worse hero balance (you can straight counter pick enemy heroes at top/mid/jungle lanes)

With that last one; Sure there are bad matchups in dota2 as well but League puts an emphasis on getting gold over levels which means a bad matchup in League is REALLY bad. A bad matchup in Dota2 can be overcome by skill/ganking/tp support with your extra levels.

But you know - congrats on 5 mil concurrent.
woah woah take it easy sport
youre wrong about a lot of the game related stuff btw
its almost like you dont even play the game/follow it
:OOOOOOOOO
who woulda thought
Dota and League shouldn't fight. We should rejoice together for crushing SC2 and HotS.
hear hear!
 
Dota will never be as popular as LOL.

Simply because it isn't as accessible as LOL is.


Now, if only Riot would do something about trolls in ranked...

I can't really be the only one getting trolls in every single ranked game. In every single one.
 
Being able to counter pick does not make a game imbalanced. It's when heroes have no counters or too many counters that's when it's imbalanced
 
The core of his post is still true though.

Half of which are opinions (art and all that). The competitive aspect is a bit off since over half the roster has seen use and my experience with DotA2 streams of tournaments is basically the same: Over half the roster sees a good amount of use with a few one-ofs or never used picks.

As for LoL balance, there's really no hard counters.

You can get banned for not using popular item builds?

Not really. If it does happen, it's because of other reasons. Like, using a terrible build AND feeding. Using a terrible build AND being a dick.
 
One of these days imma get into mmmmmmmmmmobas. Active, deep PvP and the surprisingly cool "bunch of artstyles and archetypes tossed into a blender" art direction has been intriguing.
 
Wait you can get banned for not using popular item builds?

Yep, there are screencaps of tribunal discussions where it was decided that someone should be banned because they bought the "wrong" items when they played a ranked match.
 
Yep, there are screencaps of tribunal discussions where it was decided that someone should be banned because they bought the "wrong" items when they played a ranked match.
Why give them choice in buying items then? Why not just lock them into their item build? I dont see the reason for having a store if every hero has a specific set of items that have to buy or else can be reported for.

Also why is there an option to random if it's bannable?
 
There is, it's also used to ban people who decide to play a random hero CHAMPION or who don't use the most popular item build.
This isn't true at all, but picking a random champion is trolling. Someone at the Challenger level used to play lots of AP Lulu. Stuff like that isn't super uncommon. It is really hard to get banned. In most situations if it happened you probably earned it.
 
LoL has more hot chicks than Dota 2.

Honestly, this is some truth as to why LoL is more popular. LoL character design aesthetically may not be as imaginative as Dota, but they have so many accessible champions and skins that it appeals to a wider audience. I got plenty of casual friends that plays because they absolutely adores a character design.
 
Honestly, this is some truth as to why LoL is more popular. LoL character design aesthetically may not be as imaginative as Dota, but they have so many accessible champions and skins that it appeals to a wider audience. I got plenty of casual friends that plays because they absolutely adores a character design.

Have you seen the faces on the models in LoL? God damn they are all so ugly.
 
Why give them choice in buying items then? Why not just lock them into their item build. That's a pretty lame attempt at illusion of choice.

Again, it doesn't happen. Or, if it does, there's other factors. Or we can go back to the flawed Tribunal system (since it's community driven). These outlier cases are not the norm.

I've read through the DotA2 threads and I've seen plenty of posts about people buying dumb items and building wrong. It's a different thing between the two games since items can shift power a lot due to the item itself where-as LoL has scaling kits.

If you see a ban because of a build, it's generally things like buying multiple boots instead of items or building all AP items on someone who does not scale at all with AP (and then purposefully feeding). I can't really give a good example of this for DotA2 besides like uh ... a Drow Ranger that builds nothing but INT items. Or a bunch of boots.

Also why is there an option to random if it's bannable?

Yeah, this is pretty dumb. We don't even get bonus gold like DotA2 does.
 
We dump a lot of it into eSports. Also, like most evolving games, the majority of development is on unannounced features.

I wish you'd just dump the trash client already to be honest, and I'm still not a fan of needing multiple accounts to play across regions, but that's never going to change.
 
Have you seen the faces on the models in LoL? God damn they are all so ugly.

I play Dota 2 for the gameplay.

I play LoL for the Miss Fortune, Katarina and Ashe. If only Ashe had the imba powers of Droe or Drow had the good looking powers of Ashe then they would be a perfect entity.
 
If you see a ban because of a build, it's generally things like buying multiple boots instead of items or building all AP items on someone who does not scale at all with AP. I can't really give a good example of this for DotA2 besides like uh ... a Drow Ranger that builds nothing but INT items. Or a bunch of boots.

Stats, Heal, Attack Speed, Attack + No Collision, Mana, and TP. All Boots strat is legit, yo.
 
I find the debate between Dota 2 and LoL like arguing between a meal from Ruth's Steakhouse and chinese food. Now the chinese food is going to fill you but after a while it leaves you hungry again and wanting some more food. With the Ruth's you know you're getting a high quality steak dinner that will leave you full and leave you wanting more.
 
Judging purely by twitch streams it seems like LoL is far more popular with female players than Dota 2. Sure it's anecdotal, but it does seem to point to LoL probably being more popular with females. Anyone have a solid opinion on why that would be?


MOBA is an awful term and should die. Fact? Opinion? The truth?

Come up with a better name, get it to catch on, and kill it yourself.
 
Stats, Heal, Attack Speed, Attack + No Collision, Mana, and TP. All Boots strat is legit, yo.

Those aren't Boots. Those are upgraded Boots.

I literally mean a bunch of Boots of Speed.

Judging purely by twitch streams it seems like LoL is far more popular with female players than Dota 2. Sure it's anecdotal, but it does seem to point to LoL probably being more popular with females. Anyone have a solid opinion on why that would be?

Fucking Teemo.

Somehow.
 
Ashe is more interesting than Drow game play wise to be honest.

There are some hot chicks in Dota 2 as well but the ratio is smaller.
 
lol k.

Seriously, you guys are the worst. Play your games and enjoy them. Who gives a crap which is "deeper" or more "competitive".

You people are worse than console fanboys.

Chair is just mad I'm not always around to carry him with my pro level Amumu.
 
Maybe it's worth visiting the Dota 2 v LoL thread to see if anyone has changed their minds.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=478254

I'm hooked on Dota 2 but glad lol is beasting it, I'm dying to see what people can do in the moba space.

I still think Riot sucks in many ways, got a bit better in some other ways. The game they made is quite good though. Especially recently copying Dota 2's recommended item list layout and the more detailed pinging system, made the game way more playable to me. Now I'm getting into it in between Dota 2 sessions. I didn't used to like the game very much before I think.
 
Judging purely by twitch streams it seems like LoL is far more popular with female players than Dota 2. Sure it's anecdotal, but it does seem to point to LoL probably being more popular with females. Anyone have a solid opinion on why that would be?.
More aesthetically pleasing to females. Having a default female announcer helps too along with a wider range of female champions.
 
So those rumoured Australian servers? Sure hope they come soon.
AFAIK Dota 2 has servers in Oz. And South Africa, too. Plus no restrictions to what regions you can play in, unlike LoL. Want to play on American servers? Go right ahead.

MOBA is an awful term and should die. Fact? Opinion? The truth?
I use "lane pushing game" myself. Accurately describes LoL and Dota, still accommodates Awesomenauts and MNC.
 
Stats, Heal, Attack Speed, Attack + No Collision, Mana, and TP. All Boots strat is legit, yo.
Intentionally bad builds on LoL doesn't really work because of skills scaling with items. Building nothing but AP on Draven does absolutely nothing unless he decides to get a Lich Bane.
 
I just started playing LoL, so I added to this 5 mil mark, it's really impressive. A friend got me into it, I'm still pretty bad but I enjoy it. I'm a scrubby Shen player though, I just like being super tanky so I can make mistakes and get away with them. I just started Flash Shadow Dash Taunting and it is so satisfying when you pull it off. I want to play more varied champions, but I feel comfortable with Shen because his Ult helps me learn to pay attention to my teammates and the minimap.

Watching the MLG tournament and it's very entertaining as an eSports title as well. I haven't played DoTA 2, but I might give it a shot in the future. These games are such commitments though, so I will probably just stick with League unless friends jump over to DoTA 2.

I was also really impressed with the User Interface and overall menu navigation, it's really simple, intuitive and slick.
 
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