Battlefield 4 "Fishing in Baku" 17 minute gameplay video reveal

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TalesOfWin said:
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AMD logo as official partner. Guess DICE jumped the nvidia ship right onto AMD.
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Finally AMD beat Nvidia and secured all of nextgen. Bravo! lol
 
TalesOfWin said:
Basically all this SP debacle is because they feel ashamed over BF3's SP.
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There's definitely a lot of focus on enhancing the SP campaign greatly. That doesn't mean MP is left behind in any way, but as Bach says, there's a lot for us to prove when it comes to building a strong singleplayer campaign.
 
Disappointed at the setting, I thought we've had our share of modern military shooters already.

The rest looks rather nice, but Multiplayer is where it's at. I like how the devs stated they are going to focus on what makes BF BF. Wait and see I suppose.
 
NeXuSDK said:
There's definitely a lot of focus on enhancing the SP campaign greatly. That doesn't mean MP is left behind in any way, but as Bach says, there's a lot for us to prove when it comes to building a strong singleplayer campaign.
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A DICE person? Be prepared for nine million pm's... lol.
 
NeXuSDK said:
There's definitely a lot of focus on enhancing the SP campaign greatly. That doesn't mean MP is left behind in any way, but as Bach says, there's a lot for us to prove when it comes to building a strong singleplayer campaign.
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After BF3's SP, yes indeed.

I think BF needs a familiar and likeable set of characters to go along with the series.
 
Diablo Rosso said:
They should make it more like BC1's SP. Also, let us fly the fucking jets and helicopters in SP.
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I don't think this will happen. They've said you're playing as the same character throughout the whole game... so unless this guy can pilot jets and tanks, it isn't happening.

Another example imo of how they just do not understand what the fans want, what our concerns are, what the real problems with SP were.

I read that long interview, trying to understand where the DICE people are coming from, hoping to read something that sheds some light on their thought process, and as usual it's some good always mixed with head-scratching bad.

There are many ways to engage a player emotionally when they are playing a game. It doesn't have to be through some sappy narrative. In fact, when you are controlling the game and a "battlefield moment" happens, that has more impact than any character death or line of dialog will ever have... that's why we play the games!

DICE acknowledges they need to get that MP stuff into the SP. But then they take the approach that they need this strong narrative first and foremost, and they can't be jumping around to different soldiers throughout the campaign like the last game... well... just great. Now you have arbitrarily limited the experiences of the single player. Now we can't fly jets. Or helicopters. Or any vehicle that doesn't fit the narrow skill set of this particular soldier. And they have arbitrarily limited the cool moments and emotions that come from doing those things, in favor of telling some frigging story.

That is not Battlefield.

They keep saying "We know Battlefield. It's our thing, that we made. For a decade, we've been doing this. We know what Battlefield is."

I'm reading these interviews, having played through their progressively less-battlefield campaigns... I'm wondering, do they?

There are some moments in BF3 that are fuck-awesome. As a pilot, walking up the deck to get into a jet... that was like part Mirror's Edge and part Hollywood. And then it's some lame hype-killing fucking rail shooter mission. Wtf man.

Maybe in this new campaign we'll get to shoot the guns on a helicopter while an AI pilots it... whoo hoo... just like every other military game ever made. Can't wait.
 
Say what you want about EA or DICE but they sure are active among the community. Some guy commented on the official FB page how he would like more weather environments in the game. The guy controlling the page asked what kind to which he responded how he would like storms in the maps. Official dude said he would share it with the team.


Weather dlc incoming.
 
Raiden said:
Say what you want about EA or DICE but they sure are active among the community. Some guy commented on the official FB page how he would like more weather environments in the game. The guy controlling the page asked what kind to which he responded how he would like storms in the maps. Official dude said he would share it with the team.


Weather dlc incoming.
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Yeah it was really cool how when we on PS3 commented to DICE that the controls had input lag, the response was, "You're on crack".

That was totally awesome.

And never an apology that I know of... despite them trying to fix this allegedly crack-fueled imaginary problem over multiple patches.
 
wouldnt it be awesome to issue command rose style commands in SP and even MP using a headset and your voice!
Just thought of that, think it would be a good option
 
drexplora said:
wouldnt it be awesome to issue command rose style commands in SP and even MP using a headset and your voice!
Just thought of that, think it would be a good option
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Did anyone use the Comm Rose in BF3? Honestly, felt like it was a waste of time/resources. Good example of when devs shouldn't cater to fans.

Not saying the idea of a rose or some other in-game display of communication is bad, but it just felt bad/useless. I'd take in-game VOIP over it anyday.
 
drexplora said:
wouldnt it be awesome to issue command rose style commands in SP and even MP using a headset and your voice!
Just thought of that, think it would be a good option
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The BiA-lite commands during the walkthrough were definitely a highlight. That was very cool. I posted about it before, but the communication with the chopper pilot and issuing commands for their strafe run was very awesome.

SOCOM on PS2 did voice commands with pretty decent results. But the game was also built around a fairly robust command system. BF4 would have to have a deep enough command system to justify the work it'd take to implement voice.

And all they showed was a basic suppress command. Hopefully there is more, because it was a highlight.

Refreshment.01 said:
Is there a link to a 60 FPS video? And is this game targeting that frame rate?
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I've read the video is available on XBOX Live...
 
Evolved1 said:
A DICE person? Be prepared for nine million pm's... lol.
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0 so far... not so worried ;)

Evolved1 said:
They keep saying "We know Battlefield. It's our thing, that we made. For a decade, we've been doing this. We know what Battlefield is."

I'm reading these interviews, having played through their progressively less-battlefield campaigns... I'm wondering, do they?
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To be fair, the concept of a Battlefield campaign experience has not really been around for that along, and as I understand the general consensus, people were pretty pleased with both BC1 and BC2.

Of course, Bad Company is not the core Battlefield experience, which means we still have to find that for SP. Ok, so the BF3 campaign wasn't it. And maybe what we're doing next still won't hit the spot for some people (our challenge here will be that people can expect wildly different things from an ideal Battlefield campaign experience), but I'm certain that we'll deliver something a whole lot better this time around.
 
Evolved1 said:
Yeah it was really cool how when we on PS3 commented to DICE that the controls had input lag, the response was, "You're on crack".

That was totally awesome.

And never an apology that I know of... despite them trying to fix this allegedly crack-fueled imaginary problem over multiple patches.
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Haha what? They really said you're on crack?

Sorry bro, but that is just hilarious.
 
NeXuSDK said:
Of course, Bad Company is not the core Battlefield experience, which means we still have to find that for SP. Ok, so the BF3 campaign wasn't it. And maybe what we're doing next still won't hit the spot for some people (our challenge here will be that people can expect wildly different things from an ideal Battlefield campaign experience), but I'm certain that we'll deliver something a whole lot better this time around.
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From what I've seen so far, and as a pretty vocal critic of campaigns past, I think it looks better. I'm keen on a lot of it.

That said, going by these interviews and the one soldier approach... we probably won't be piloting jets, helicopters, tanks, etc. So even though I actually like what I'm seeing in the 17 min vid, there is still a bit of disconnect between Battlefield we all know and love, and this SP thing you're experimenting with.

Anyway, good luck with it. For all our sake, I hope it's fun and engaging.
 
NeXuSDK said:
0 so far... not so worried ;)



To be fair, the concept of a Battlefield campaign experience has not really been around for that along, and as I understand the general consensus, people were pretty pleased with both BC1 and BC2.

Of course, Bad Company is not the core Battlefield experience, which means we still have to find that for SP. Ok, so the BF3 campaign wasn't it. And maybe what we're doing next still won't hit the spot for some people (our challenge here will be that people can expect wildly different things from an ideal Battlefield campaign experience), but I'm certain that we'll deliver something a whole lot better this time around.
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If I could offer input here, and I know it's way too late to change direction, but you should not worry about what people expect an "ideal Battlefield campaign experience" to be. Because there isn't one. There is, however, an ideal Battlefield experience. Take that, and make it your campaign if you're so determined to have one. Hopefully you see what I mean.
 
Btw NeXuSDK... you guys should get EA to revive the Strike series with BF3 helicopter physics and controls. The helos are amazing to fly in BF3. Just fix the chase camera and it'd be the perfect foundation for a Strike game.

Since it looks like DICE will not be doing another Onslaught mode... that might be the only way to get my Helo piloting vs AI fix.
 
Evolved1 said:
From what I've seen so far, and as a pretty vocal critic of campaigns past, I think it looks better. I'm keen on a lot of it.

That said, going by these interviews and the one soldier approach... we probably won't be piloting jets, helicopters, tanks, etc. So even though I actually like what I'm seeing in the 17 min vid, there is still a bit of disconnect between Battlefield we all know and love, and this SP thing you're experimenting with.

Anyway, good luck with it. For all our sake, I hope it's fun and engaging.
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I don't work specifically on SP, so I can't remember all the details of the campaign - and even if I could, I of course couldn't say anything - but don't read too much into it.

SP will never be exactly MP, for various reasons. Knowing what I know, I do think we're doing a lot to close the gap, while also enhancing the storytelling aspect of the Battlefield campaign experience (one shouldn't neglect that).
 
Evolved1 said:
Yeah it was really cool how when we on PS3 commented to DICE that the controls had input lag, the response was, "You're on crack".

That was totally awesome.

And never an apology that I know of... despite them trying to fix this allegedly crack-fueled imaginary problem over multiple patches.
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That was Allan Kertz (demize99), and he was never a community manager (and it showed lol), he was just one of their devs (core gameplay) who was on twitter and people constantly whinged to. He did apologise when they realised that there really was input lag on the PS3 (sadly it took them a year to finally fix it). I'll cut him some slack on that one because he wasn't the community manager but was always the best source of BF3 info around and was constantly answering detailed questions from players.


GrizzNKev said:
One of their community managers was a straight up asshole. During the BF3 Beta he said something along the lines of fans being whiny brats abusing their privilege to play in the beta.

He is now a producer on BF4.

https://twitter.com/zh1nt0
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Yeah Daniel Matros was a terrible community manager who never seemed particularly interested in trying to find solutions to the problems that the community brought to him. It wasn't unusual to see him insult community members either, a pretty big no-no for that job (no matter how frustrating or obtuse they might be). His predecessor (Gordon van Dyke) did a much better job.
 
DTKT said:
You are delusional if you think that's still true. Join the PC thread and educate yourself before you wreck yourself.
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You're right about the costs, but i would like to point your attention to every pc - centric game thread, like the Bioshock PC one. It's a clusterfuck of ini settings, video card drivers and so on and on and on, exactly like it was from the 486 days till 6 years ago, when i decided that I and not them should be payed for the time needed to setup up a game to run at it's best on a PC.

You Pc guys should start to understand that there are people who work on that shit and after years lose the patience to nurse after those things to play a game.

And then there is people who do not intend to spend the time needed to learn how to do those things.

The fact that someone has the skill and the will to spend the time needed does not mean that anyone who is not inclined to do so, for whatever reason, should be treated like an illiterate by some kid that just because can mount a Cpu on a motherboard without frying everyting.

God i'm so tired of this pc elitism shit.
 
-Amon- said:
You're right about the costs, but i would like to point your attention to every pc - centric game thread, like the Bioshock PC one. It's a clusterfuck of ini settings, video card drivers and so on and on and on, exactly like it was from the 486 days till 6 years ago, when i decided that I and not them should be payed for the time needed to setup up a game to run at it's best on a PC.
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I'm not familiar with the Bioshock "situation", but is it possible that all that tweaking is required because they did a shitty job with the port?
 
-Amon- said:
You're right about the costs, but i would like to point your attention to every pc - centric game thread, like the Bioshock PC one. It's a clusterfuck of ini settings, video card drivers and so on and on and on, exactly like it was from the 486 days till 6 years ago, when i decided that I and not them should be payed for the time needed to setup up a game to run at it's best on a PC.

You Pc guys should start to understand that there are people who work on that shit and after years lose the patience to nurse after those things to play a game.

And then there is people who do not intend to spend the time needed to learn how to do those things.

The fact that someone has the skill and the will to spend the time needed does not mean that anyone who is not inclined to do so, for whatever reason, should be treated like an illiterate by some kid that just because can mount a Cpu on a motherboard without frying everyting.

God i'm so tired of this pc elitism shit.
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I bought Bioshock Infinite, downloaded it, played for 13 hours, finished. No issues. Many people CHOOSE to messs with the ini settings and configurations. You don't have to. It's there for people who are interested. I used a 360 controller the whole game, plug and play, and it looked and played much better than it does on consoles.

Talk about elitism. Perhaps you shouldn't spout bullshit PC gaming memes in threads when you know said meme is false. You've been in these threads enough that doing so will cause people to call out said bullshit and then you will get annoyed by people doing exactly that. Fact is that Pc gaming is much more streamlined in 2013 than it was in 2007.
 
Anton Sugar said:
I'm not familiar with the Bioshock "situation", but is it possible that all that tweaking is required because they did a shitty job with the port?
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No. There are some issues but many people are not having any issue. He just has an axe to grind. You can tell by his overly defensive issue when people call out his Gaming Pc is the cost of a car meme.
 
Evolved1 said:
There are some moments in BF3 that are fuck-awesome. As a pilot, walking up the deck to get into a jet...
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Best part of the SP in Bf3 for me, that was great. And can make more bearable something more "standard" like the jet fight that came right after it, at least for me.
 
SLI support was garbage for Nvidia in BF3.It was apparently better on AMD Xfire solutions. But Xfire is currently broken... And now BF4 is an "AMD" title?

Great
 
-Amon- said:
You're right about the costs, but i would like to point your attention to every pc - centric game thread, like the Bioshock PC one. It's a clusterfuck of ini settings, video card drivers and so on and on and on, exactly like it was from the 486 days till 6 years ago, when i decided that I and not them should be payed for the time needed to setup up a game to run at it's best on a PC.

You Pc guys should start to understand that there are people who work on that shit and after years lose the patience to nurse after those things to play a game.

And then there is people who do not intend to spend the time needed to learn how to do those things.

The fact that someone has the skill and the will to spend the time needed does not mean that anyone who is not inclined to do so, for whatever reason, should be treated like an illiterate by some kid that just because can mount a Cpu on a motherboard without frying everyting.

God i'm so tired of this pc elitism shit.
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PC elitism is almost karmically funny... like a snake eating its own tail.

They for years helped perpetuate the myth that console players were dumb ingrades would couldn't comprehend complex games. Which helped lead to an industry-wide perception that console games need to be simplified and streamlined (not in the good way), which in turn lead to the dumbing down of their own precious PC games, since developers target the larger (for AAA games) console market.

Surprise motherfuckers! Being a bunch of dicks wasn't good for anyone. We lost some once great franchises to that fallacy. Even today Battlefield is still saddled with it. (though it's getting better)
 
ClovingWestbrook said:
Smokey, when you are done with one of your Titans let me know before Kado crawls up your ass lol.
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lolz
I've tried to offer you my cards before and you turned me down. Stone cold. Plus I gotta run bf4 maxed at 2560x1600 or my new love of 3840x2400. i'll probably be holding on to these for awhile, but I say that every time.

NexuSDK put the word in on that SLI performance, it's not too early thnx
 
Smokey said:
lolz
I've tried to offer you my cards before and you turned me down. Stone cold. Plus I gotta run bf4 maxed at 2560x1600 or my new love of 3840x2400! i'll probably be holding on to these for awhile, but I say that every time.
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Yea but that was because the 680 was coming out so soon after you were offering me you 500 series :/ lol
 
Evolved1 said:
They for years helped perpetuate the myth that console players were dumb ingrades would couldn't comprehend complex games. Which helped lead to an industry-wide perception that console games need to be simplified and streamlined (not in the good way), which in turn lead to the dumbing down of their own precious PC games, since developers target the larger (for AAA games) console market.
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Hahaha, holy shit. Stretch Armstrong over here.
 
-Amon- said:
I don't know, but even if it's true, the problem for the end user remains, no ?
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I like how you act like only PC games have issues. How many console games come out with tearing, slowdowns, freezes, etc. the difference with PC games is there is a community that many times can fix the issue worhout having to wait for the developer to release a patch.
 
ClovingWestbrook said:
I bought Bioshock Infinite, downloaded it, played for 13 hours, finished. No issues. Many people CHOOSE to messs with the ini settings and configurations. You don't have to. It's there for people who are interested. I used a 360 controller the whole game, plug and play, and it looked and played much better than it does on consoles.

Talk about elitism. Perhaps you shouldn't spout bullshit PC gaming memes in threads when you know said meme is false. You've been in these threads enough that doing so will cause people to call out said bullshit and then you will get annoyed by people doing exactly that. Fact is that Pc gaming is much more streamlined in 2013 than it was in 2007.
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I did not make up the car meme. This means you have no means to know if i agree with it or not. But just to be sure i'll tell you here and now that i do not agree with it, the part referring the costs at least.

The rest of my post stands. I've been there and done that when a good quantity of the people who brags about pc gaming did not even know what a pc is, so, while i agree that my personal history is making the issue bigger than it could be for someone else, permit me to be utterly fed up by these people.
 
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