krypt0nian
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What fucking context can make laughing at people's suffering ok?
None.
Cut and dry.
#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"
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What fucking context can make laughing at people's suffering ok?
None.
Cut and dry.
ElRenoRaven
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Exactly. I've said it time and time again but what other industry thinks they deserve part of the used sales of their items? If this were any other industry everyone would be up in arms but because it's gaming people actually jump through some insane mental gymnastics to try and make it ok. It's not. It's really that simple.
IT'S NOT OK TO:
TAKE AWAY MY RIGHTS!
FOR YOU TO TELL ME IF I CAN SELL MY LEGALLY PURCHASED ITEM!
WHO I CAN AND CAN'T SELL IT TO!
TAKE PART OF THAT PROFIT FOR YOURSELF!
TREAT ME LIKE A CRIMINAL BECAUSE I LEGALLY BOUGHT YOUR PRODUCT!
It's just that simple.
This also ties in heavily with the inflation of games budgets.
A B tier game(although still awesome) shouldn't have a large enough budget that it requires a price tag of 59.99. It should work like movies where the budget is 10 percent of a blockbuster therefore requires 1/10th the sales to be successful.
Although Publishers believe they have to pay the famous voice actors, the famous composers and make some cg for any game to be succesfull.
This line of thinking is doomed to fail.
Lol
Best thing that comes out of this campagne.
famousmortimer
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To be perfectly honest when i made this thread my hope was for 2, maybe 3 pages of responses and like 50-75 tweets from members and lurkers.
What's happened is just amazing. This isn't about me (though I do want a tag!!!), I just mentioned an opening and everyone has jumped through. It's really cool. I also think (and hope) it's pretty goddamn hard to ignore.
What's happened is just amazing. This isn't about me (though I do want a tag!!!), I just mentioned an opening and everyone has jumped through. It's really cool. I also think (and hope) it's pretty goddamn hard to ignore.
Yes, for sure. If they were leaning that way already. the outpour of tweets against DRM can only help push them.
Hopefully your contacts have some idea how much of an impact it's making in a few days or whatever
THE:MILKMAN
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Fantastic post that. Well said faceless007.
hydrophilic attack
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The one where i said if microsoft does it sony will follow and you wouldn't listen. And then we start a 100 threads pilling on sony when they actually said they would leave DRMs up to the publishers.
Just like how Nintendo thinks they should get a cut of the profit generated by youtubers and streamers for playing their games. "Hey that's our game, getting played, and the money - it's all because of us!"
If they perceive it as a missing revenue stream, then it's a real thing for them.
They need to price their games differently Army of Two 3=/=Skyrim=/=Barbie's Horse Adventure=/=Super Mario Bros WiiU
Though, I'm sure some companies would just say "OUR GAME IS WORTH A HUNDRED DOLLARS!"
AstroNut325
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Can we include the head honchos of the big publishers like EA, Activision, Zenimax, ect?
Sony and MS are getting pressure from these people to implement such drm. Goto the source.
I support this cause. I'm all for developers getting a piece of the used game sales but that is IF I sell it. If I lend it to a friend he should not have to pay to play.
Sony and MS are getting pressure from these people to implement such drm. Goto the source.
I support this cause. I'm all for developers getting a piece of the used game sales but that is IF I sell it. If I lend it to a friend he should not have to pay to play.
krypt0nian
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So when does that make it ok to be a self-centered asshole?
RustyNails
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Quoted out of context? You think taking Sony to court is the only way of achieving something meaningful and anything else will result in you drinking gaf tears at e3. Is that your context?
Get lost.
Hot Coldman
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If Gummb can get a tag for the Rayman Legends thread, famousmortimer can get one for this.
Face it Tiger..
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Did my part.
#loveliveplay
#loveliveplay
Self centered? It might have been, i admit i might have used a strong choice of words but i'll still make a mention of how we should tame our expectations. This whole issue started with online passes....and no matter how much we complained it still never went away. Maybe gaf/consumers can make a difference, but i strongly doubt it.
Audioboxer
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krypt0nian
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It shows that there is respect between gamers and that we don't like being fucked by a publisher.
redblack85
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as they say in Naples,"Basta poco che ce vò??!"
congratulations to all
congratulations to all
Why should they get a cut of used games/resells? Do you give a cut of the money back to the manufacturers of every commondity you're done with, and have sold at a garage sale, flea market, ebay, newspaper ad etc?
Do the people you sold it to, do the same when they resell it? I can't think of any way this makes sense. A $70 commodity was purchased, enjoyed, perhaps shelved a while.. perhaps not. Owner then sells an unwanted item of his to whomever, as is the owners right to do in a free market economy, no?
I used a strong choice of words....i'm not a sadistic asshole, apologies to gaf then. I only meant to tame our expectations for e3. Nothing more nothing less, i even started a thread on gaf debating this same point.
The internet is quite amazing, and so are you. Good one.
H_Prestige
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They're going to look like real assholes now if they block used games.
sacrificengineer
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Great initiative, I would support it if I had a Twitter account 
It's not a matter of whether or not they should at this point, I think how the publishers/developers feel is that there is a substantial % of customers that do not purchase their games on day 1 at full price. They wait several months and purchase reduced price copies.
Should they get a cut? Probably not.
But they, for the most part anyways, perceive the resell market to be a missing revenue stream (if only because the revenue generated by preowned games is rather large). And therefore want a piece of it.
Which is why I think this authentication fee is a kind of game they are playing with resellers is to pressure them into an agreement where they give a % of the revenue generated back to the people that made the game.
grap3fruitman
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You're a fool. That's all there is to it. Where do you think these used games came from? The way you talk, you act as if they were all stolen and the poor developers and publishers never saw a single cent.
They were purchased new at some point. The developers and publishers already got their cut and don't deserve any more.
This kind of behavior only encourages those things. How else are people going to get around these draconian restrictions? They're going to find a way to hack the system which will enable piracy. Then the publishers, rather than learn from their mistakes, will just force even more restrictive DRM.
ElRenoRaven
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And Jim is 100 percent on the money again.
Acquiescence
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I don't have a twitter account, but rest assured, if I did I'd be right there rallying with you all. It's crazy how much this has blown up; hopefully Sony will see the light.
Apologies, I forgot to write "they feel" as though they are getting shafted.
The post above yours clarifies what I meant to say.
Gamespawn
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Make one. It takes like two minutes, even if ts a throwaway account. If it's a cause you support, let your voice be heard.Great initiative, I would support it if I had a Twitter account
Sapphire Dreams
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Thanks, gaf, now we get no Dr Mario for PS4
No but we might get Dr. Sackboy!
I know where you're going man, but there's a percentage of consumers in the world who do not buy furtinture, cars, music, golf clubs, hell *anything* day 1 full price. A lot of people buy stuff used, and not from the original maker. I know it's not apples to apples 100%, but it's a slipperly slope. They way it works for most things is you buy something, you own it. From there, you can sell it. I'm sure developers would love to get double and triple dipping on the used sales, but it doesn't mean they should.
Absolutely spot on.
Krusenstern
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German Eurogamer.de has made an article about it: http://www.eurogamer.de/articles/20...nd-fuer-gebrauchtspiele-auf-der-playstation-4
And a tweet from them:
And a tweet from them:
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