TheLegendOfMart
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DigitalFoundry: Hands-on with PS4 1080p 30fps...!!
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All this is true but the focus on 60fps by MS whether intentional or not was a welcome surprise and I hope that Sony follows suit in their games too.
So the people that play fighters for a living and that went hands on are a bunch of liars?
Right.
How would that stop it from working? Is the internet, the kinect, and multiple copies of a game banned from FGC?
I honestly don't understand that comment.
Portugeezer
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Wii U 1080p 60fps? No, just no.
Smash Bros might be 60fps, but Wii U can't even do a 3DS game in 1080p60, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate runs at about 40fps. Windwaker is 1080p but 30fps. MK is 720p. Bayonetta is 720p.
dummydecoy
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Sony, gimme an option to play @ 720p for a more stable famerate pls. Fuck your 1080p with its sub30 gameplay.
What you think about the gameplay is entirely off-topic and irrelevant.
Hahahaha, this is one of my favorite GAF posts of all time. Seriously guys, let's not defend input lag. I'm considering cancelling my Killzone preorder over this until I hear it's been resolved.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
I have only already that I enjoy a lot, but a lot of the types of games I enjoy are console exclusive. I'm sorry if I don't like sacrificing performance over pretty bells and whistles.
the game has a few months to be out tho how is this final?
1080p/60fps gaming is not a low bar. In fact, as we're seeing right before our eyes it's a very high bar! Most games so far aren't hitting 1080p/60fps and unfortunately I suspect that is going to be the case over the entire generation (like all previous generations.
No, that is the tradeoff for being CoD Ghosts.
ElfArmy177
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Well... good thing Im getting both consoles. Im so used to PC gaming I cant do without 60FPS anymore. Im ok with third person shooters being 30 locked, but first person? No thanks.
If MS is requiring a 60/1080p, Ill stick with the Xbox One. Im getting both regardless, but whichever is 1080/60 will be my main system, other just for exclusives. Such a shame really, Im the type of guy that things Mario Galaxy looks fucking amazing because its 1080p 60fps on my computer. Id MUCH rather have that then fancier graphics. Mario looks amazing as does Crysis.. I cant handle jaggies or lag
If MS is requiring a 60/1080p, Ill stick with the Xbox One. Im getting both regardless, but whichever is 1080/60 will be my main system, other just for exclusives. Such a shame really, Im the type of guy that things Mario Galaxy looks fucking amazing because its 1080p 60fps on my computer. Id MUCH rather have that then fancier graphics. Mario looks amazing as does Crysis.. I cant handle jaggies or lag
Canceling a pre-order isn't final either, I can always pre-order it again if I hear it's fixed before release.
Shhh. Didn't you know that the games at E3 have to be fully optimized and have gone gold?
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
We don't really know how BF4 will look on consoles running at 60FPS. What they demonstrated at conferences was running on "similarly specced PCs". We know that KZ has basically all the high end engine features available anywhere today. Same can be said for Division. We have no clue what machine it was really running on, and for all we know it could have been a frame-by-frame rendered playthrough which is what I think original Watch Dogs video probably was too (impossible to confirm, just my gut feeling). Infamous and KZ were probably the best looking playable games, IMO, and Sorcerer was the best looking hands-off demo of anything there.
that's true (.__.)
That explains why its a franchise mired in mediocrity.
The "fans" hate the wrong game in the series. 1 & 2 are trash and prevented Liberation and 3 from saving it.
His post specifically states that he's giving them time. :/
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
I'm sorry if I don't like sacrificing graphics for 60FPS which hasn't affected me in the slightest going from PC to PS3 and back again depending on games all this previous generation.
I know but it just sounded little silly >_<
yeah if i wanted to downgrade back to last gen id keep my ps3 and never get a PS4. no fanks
I'd rather them downgrade the effects to achieve 60 fps 1080 or lower to 720/60 and keep the fancy effects. 30 fps feels laggy to me compared to 60 fps. I see a difference. Doesn't mean I don't play games because of lower than 60fps frame rates. Don't be so matter of fact.
shinobi602
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I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. Everything you're saying is subjective and it'd be pointless to get into a pissing match over opinions.
Nobody is requiring anything. Certain franchises will have a 60fps expectation, others wont bother, others might shoot for it if they feel its worth it.
Who's excusing anything? This is just the nature of software being written for new hardware and being demoed in an Alpha state. Every game is all over the place because each dev team is working on different priorities and bringing what they consider the most stable build to E3, which isn't necessarily anywhere near their most advanced build.
The problem is expectations, not excuses.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Considering my favorite games are fast paced action titles like Bayonetta I'd much prefer performance. I value it quite a bit since I've played the PS3 and 360 versions to completion and the PS3's framedrop actively hindered me from getting perfect platinum's and doing last second dodges.
ElfArmy177
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my bad, thought that's what people were getting at.
Meh you just have bad taste. Even critically KZ2 is the better game. KZ3 whilst decent, is essentially more typical as far as shooters go. KZ2 however is quite unique, and doesn't conform the same same rules most shooters check list these days, at least with respect to multiplayer and art direction.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
There's no reason why those kind of games can't run 60fps, it's not a machine limitation it's up to the developer.
la flama blanca
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Satchel is just releasing all the pent up anger over his fav console being mauled the past few months, let him have his release.
Clockwork5
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Ummm, not what I was expecting. I know Sony was not expecting to be working with the current specs of the PS4 a year ago... They have doubled the RAM since the intial build, I just hope some of these issues are cleared up or at least the games become more optimized as time goes on.
sis......
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
But you understand why I'd prefer not to make the sacrifice for better graphics right? It's cool if you don't see the benefit but I do.
la flama blanca
Banned
Sorry. What's funny to me is that I actually am a bit underwhelmed with the state of Sony's first party titles for launch, but it's difficult to get that conversation going when you have people seemingly piling on to thrust the discussion heavily in one way.
And I also have always disliked Sony's never ending attempt at trying to thrust Killzone as the anti-Halo. The series overall hasn't been all THAT great, and I'm still pissed Killzone 3 was whack as fuck compared to Killzone 2. The only thing, for me anyway, that Killzone has going for it is it's focus on technical achievements.
Microsoft doesn't require 60fps. Almost every game DF looked at for the X-Bone suffered from the same issues. For some reason the article just didn't mention that as prominently as in the PS4 article.
No, I'm not alleging bias, I'm just saying that the X-Bone titles were running at sub 60fps too, save for a few notable exceptions. Those exceptions however, were mostly either genre specific, or engine specific. I mean, I don't think anybody expected Killer Instinct to be sub 60fps, and CoD ghosts is using an older engine with fewer upgrades than most titles.
Where did you see that The Order was real time?
It says "in-engine" in the trailer, not real time.
And you understand why some people feel that targeting 60fps from the outset at the expense of graphical fidelity is better right?
Black Republican
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How does Cerny's own game have noticeable framedrops anyways? Seems kinda ironic.
nope all real time
dev confirmed that the in game model and cutscene models were all in the same let me find the link
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
That is what I've been saying?
Games like Division at launch obv.
Most Microsoft demo's were running off PC hardware. The few that weren't, almost without exception were running 30fps or lower. I believe the exception to this is Forza. However, if I'm reading things correctly, Forza's track designs heavily limit the distance the engine would have to draw. If so, that's a bit of a cheat, well, just a smidge anyway.
Brofist
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Pretty much what I just read. 30fps games this gen again.