Gemüsepizza
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No, 720p is unacceptable. Locked 30 fps is fine for most games.
DigitalFoundry: Hands-on with PS4 1080p 30fps...!!
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No, 720p is unacceptable. Locked 30 fps is fine for most games.
What or whom am I trolling, exactly? It's a fact. MS said "60 fps" several times through its presentation: "Halo, now in 60fps!", "Forza 5, 60 fps!", "TitanFall, 60fps!", "Killer Instinct, 60fps!". The majority of PS4 games are indeed targeting 30fps. Unless I'm mistaken?
It's clear that the PS4 is more powerful. It's just an interesting situation at the moment.
Too bad PS4 and Xbone seem like they cant
Rayman Legend ??!!
no. 1080 30fps locked. 720p grfx should be obsolete
hilarious. And yet every other game besides lococycle looked 100x better than those games that were 1080/30. I'll take real next gen thnx. The games arent even optimized yet
shinobi602
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Did I see they'll become 60fps? 30fps is perfectly fine with me and I'll say a vast majority of console owners, regardless of the loud voice of some in this thread.
What? oO
Never did i once say its unplayable. What platform I play on doesnt make the statement less true. Stop deflecting.
Gemüsepizza
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Do you honestly think framerate is the only thing which defines good graphics? Do you think Deus Ex 1 in 1080p/60fps looks better than Killzone: Shadow Fall in 1080p/30fps? Do you realize that your statement doesn't make any sense?
When we are talking about the SAME GAMES. But we aren't. Killzone: Shadow Fall for example looks a lot better than Titanfall.
Those are very different types of games.
Halo is just a promise, as it is, since nothing was shown actually playable at the show. Not exactly a fair comparison.
The others, though, aren't exactly surprising. TitanFall is being created by a team that ALWAYS focused on hitting 60 fps (as they should), the last three Forza games were all 60 fps, and releasing a fighting game at anything OTHER than 60 fps would be suicide for that game.
Besides, the types of visuals those games deliver versus the PS4 games in question are quit different. They have very different targets and are delivering very different things.
Is not available *AND* its prequel (Rayman Origins) also ran at 1080p 60 fps on XBOX360 and PlayStation 3. Heck, it operated at native resolution and 60 fps on Vita as well. Not exactly a surprise.
Papacheeks
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Yea, I'm with you man. I mean it sucks that some games were running on pc's as to the opposed hardware. But the whole rage on this thread about 60 fps is stupid. I have a really nice custom built pc, that's going to get upgraded soon, but I still love the first party games on PS3 and xbox. Infamous series were amazing games, even at 30. Visually they looked great because of aesthetic and art style. But also the great animation complimented the frame rate. When you have something running at 60 Fps, you sometimes miss the finer details in a character's posture or walk, which gives it more feeling.
I have beaten The Last of Us, and honestly it might be, next to The Wicther 2, one of my favorite games this Generation, if not one of my favorite games of all time. I'm on my second playthrough on new game + and am loving the shit out of it.
But it's only 720p and 30 fps, so it must be complete shit right guys?
I hear you.
Metalmurphy
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We don't know what Halo will look like, Killer Instinct is a fighter, ofcourse it's going to be 60fps, same for Forza, and TitanFall is being done by the CoD guys, which always go for 60. It's using Source engine for that purpose and quite honestly, it doesn't look all that great. Point is, they're purposely targeting 60fps, and not because of the hardware.
The games you're seeing on PS4 though are from developers that always did go for 30fps. Had they shown GT7 running at 30fps, then there might have been a point to make.
More like sub 30fps games getting locked to 30fps. Gotta have realistic expectations. Who said the 30fps games would run at 60 anyways?
I'm not sure if this is a joke.. Unless you're comparing the same games with the same graphical effects and detail, then.. that's a bit of an odd thing to say.
My phone can render things @ 1080p 500fps!
ChanDangle
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Calm down people, so much doom and gloom over an early analysis. I'm offering my arms if you want to be held.
I disagree. I would much rather have 1080p30 than 720p60 all day every day. 1080p wasn't used enough this gen, it should be the bare minimum next gen.
Sit down. No one is defelecting im asking a question also if 30FPS is laggy to you then poor that. Cause frankly locked 30 isnt laggy.
Mr_Antimatter
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Odd that so many games are still hitting so low, but it may be due to the non final hardware sony is using for the demos. I'm hopeful the final stuff hits a bit harder, and they can fix some of these issues.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Well if anything this thread is useful in finding out who to ignore on technical aspects.
Metalmurphy
Member
What?...
captscience
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Does it seem like Sony's first party graphical output is uncharacteristically lagging behind other developers?
I've been suspecting it since E3 and this article lends further proof, but perhaps coding exclusively for the PS3 has left them a half step behind developers who have been making PC games?
I've been suspecting it since E3 and this article lends further proof, but perhaps coding exclusively for the PS3 has left them a half step behind developers who have been making PC games?
Depends on the genre really.
For a JRPG, RTS, or any other genre where you're likely to be working with a fixed camera, it doesn't really matter.
For FPS's and racers, it matters. Is it the end of the world? No, but it does matter.
That said, methinks a lot of people are getting a bit worked up over nothing. I mean, these ARE beta demos after all.
Ya know how Pachter said its painful to read how little people here know about how the industry works?
I feel even worse for anybody who works on graphics having to read absolute shit-spewing nonsense like this.
you actually have a point tbh
this. exactly how i feel on the dot. Every dev is doing this anyway so i have nothing to worry about
It's not that interesting to me that beta software in development on launch hardware is running at an uneven framerate; that is standard and happens every generation.
With the exception of Halo (where no gameplay footage was shown, so it's not subject to development deadlines or performance analysis), all of those games have to be 60 fps. Every forza but the first is 60 fps. This is an expectation. Titanfall is the spiritual sequel to Call of Duty (and is in development at a third party). This would be an expectation. Killer instinct is a fighter. 60 fps is an expectation.
I don't think meeting expectations is interesting.
If you're saying its interesting that they are highlighting that they are meeting expectations, I find that to be a very low bar.
Halo is a welcome surprise though and it will be fun to see in a year.
Please don't do this.
CassidyIzABeast
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50% better gpu, 8 mufuggin giggles of gddr5, 30fps. But hey let's wait and see folks its still early.
Mr. B Natural
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I'm a dev. What I said is true.
Improved load times are your best bet for performance improvements during alpha due to memory leaks. Memory leaks also hamper performance over time, so less crashes and a more predictable framerate. However, sub 30 is never ever ever going to jump 10 frames per second in 6 months or even a year.
To make a 60 fps game one must start with a 60 fps goal from preproduction to gold. You won't reach it until the end (probably) but you'll aim for the stars and hit the moon. 30fps is like aiming for your feet and hitting the ground. It's a totally different goal post.
You really think so? They seem to be aiming a whole lot higher than other developers.
shinobi602
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Yes, but that doesn't jive with non-KZ players here. Apparently it needs to be super fast twitch shooter.
No Wii U game I have played runs 1080p60. Even wind Waker HD is 1080p30 and the other big ones like DK and Mario run 720p60. Maybe Mario kart 8 runs 1080p60.
I'll take 720p60 over 1080p30 any day.
Interfectum
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Killzone doesn't seem impressive enough to warrent 30fps. Neither does Drive Club.
You can't be serious. You obviously have been ignoring all the impressions from e3 and gameplay demonstrations.
Gemüsepizza
Member
And that is the problem. Making a big thing about one game being 60fps on X1 and a completely different game being 30fps on the PS4 doesn't make sense, when you don't look at the graphics.
The DEMO was based on a 35% code. That was probably weeks or months old and they used it because it was stable.
Do you think they just uploaded the game onto a cd the morning of E3 and popped it in? They probably spent weeks turning old code into a stable demo...
But in 4 months we'll see. I'm guess that everything billed as a launch title for both consoles has at least 6 months of development time left from the versions shown at E3.
gundamkyoukai
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Evolution was talking about this , they said they need to get up to date with certain stuff since they have been on PS3 for so long .
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
I can't believe someone actually said that.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
So what I'm getting out of this article is that despite having better hardware and supposedly a longer development headstart, playable PS4 games at E3 ran like shit compared to Xbone games.
Drive Club? No, but Infamous Second Son and Killzone both look a whole lot more impressive than just about anything else shown running at 60 fps, I think. That city stuff in Killzone is absolutely incredible looking.