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[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Its still enough to upset the balance of the world created.

I never wanted an interconnected universe :/

 

[ReiGun]

Its still enough to upset the balance of the world created.

I never wanted an interconnected universe :/

How? Barry comes in for two episodes, uses his powers maybe once in the third, then fucks off to Central and Keystone City while Ollie goes back to beating up muggers. No muss; no fuss outside of maybe the occasional crossover (which could all be contained in Flash's show).

You didn't, but most everyone else did. Ever since Marvel started their movie stuff, people have been whining and crying about why DC doesn't do the same thing. And now they are, and now everyone is unhappy because it still isn't what they want. It's a sad irony, really.

 

[Wiktor]

You didn't, but most everyone else did. Ever since Marvel started their movie stuff, people have been whining and crying about why DC doesn't do the same thing. And now they are, and now everyone is unhappy because it still isn't what they want. It's a sad irony, really.

There's no real dichotomy there. People who like Arrow are the same people who hated the idea of throwing Bale Batman into Men of Steel universe. It just doesn't work. Batman doesn't really work in connected universe even in comic format, let alone as live-action. What's worse, with Batman at least they can make everybody else be moron compared to Bat's genius. Good luck trying that with Green Arrow.

Also, one of the great things about Arrow was the no-powers mandate, which made the writers create grounded versions of famous villains. Now that powers are in, all of that gets thrown into the garbage bag and opens up the show for tons of superpowered villains. Because now that we know those powers exist in the universe, creating grounded versions of villains will just be forced and contrived.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Problem is that with the entrance of a superpowered hero, we need villains who can match up.

If it was just Barry, interesting, a nice twist. That's one thing. I can deal with that. He's a lone freak of nature. If done right, could be interesting. But what when all the superpowered cray crays crawl out of the woodwork? They'll be confined to Central City?

It just seems to stink of corporate mandate, messing up whatever previous plans were in place.

We'll see how it goes. I'll try to be optimistic.

Edit: I vastly prefer the grounded versions of villains, so I'm in agreement with Adrian.

 

[Wiktor]

Problem is that with the entrance of a superpowered hero, we need villains who can match up.

If it was just Barry, interesting, a nice twist. That's one thing. I can deal with that. He's a lone freak of nature. If done right, could be interesting. But what when all the superpowered cray crays crawl out of the woodwork? They'll be confined to Central City?

It just seems to stink of corporate mandate, messing up whatever previous plans were in place.

We'll see how it goes. I'll try to be optimistic.

Edit: I vastly prefer the grounded versions of villains, so I'm in agreement with Adrian.

I hope that after they’re done with this one superpowered episode the whole Flash thing will be forgotten and never brought up again on Arrow. So we and the writers will go pretending it never happened.

 

[ReiGun]

There's no real dichotomy there. People who like Arrow are the same people who hated the idea of throwing Bale Batman into Men of Steel universe. It just doesn't work. Batman doesn't really work in connected universe even in comic format, let alone as live-action. What's worse, with Batman at least they can make everybody else be moron compared to Bat's genius. Good luck trying that with Green Arrow.

Also, one of the great things about Arrow was the no-powers mandate, which made the writers create grounded versions of famous villains. Now that powers are in, all of that gets thrown into the garbage bag and opens up the show for tons of superpowered villains. Because now that we know those powers exist in the universe, creating grounded versions of villains will just be forced and contrived.

I'm not saying it's a dichotomy. I'm saying "majority rules." I recognize that there are people like NotTheGuy who just wanted to be able to enjoy Arrow in peace and not have to worry about the interconnected universe/fanboy and movie studio dick measuring contest that the current superhero multimedia landscape has evolved into. However, I'm just pointing out that those people got drowned out by everyone else who was practically screaming at DC to copy/paste Marvel's current strategy (even though it may not actually make sense for them to do so). That's the nature of the game, and honestly, we probably should have all seen it coming.

I think we're making a lot of assumptions about what is going to happen just because the Flash is in three episodes. First of all, there are a lot of villains without powers in the DCU. Some of the more famous ones, like Joker and Luthor, are off limits, but there are still characters like Cheshire, Calculator, Roulette, etc. We're already getting Bronze Tiger this season. Hell, I even manage to pick a Flash villain with no powers who could be easily integrated into Barry's three episode arc. And that's to say nothing of returning characters like Huntress, Deadshot, or possibly Merlyn. Plus, of the characters that were reimagined, only Count Vertigo had powers originally.

Having one character with superpowers doesn't automatically equal turning the show into the last few seasons of Smallville. Does it possibly open the show up to that? Yes. Does that mean that's the direction they'll take the show? No, and given the success the show has had being "Nolan-ized Green Arrow," I'd be willing to bet the Flash will be a one off thing.

So again, let's calm down and stop acting like one three episode arc means the show's third season will have Ollie joining Justice League International and fly off into space to fight Darkseid. lol

 

[Wiktor]

However, I'm just pointing out that those people got drowned out by everyone else who was practically screaming at DC to copy/paste Marvel's current strategy (even though it may not actually make sense for them to do so). That's the nature of the game, and honestly, we probably should have all seen it coming.
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The problem is that I doubt this majority consist of Arrow's audience. So it looks like WB is bassicaly doing this to appease people who don't even watch Arrow at all.

I think we're making a lot of assumptions about what is going to happen just because the Flash is in three episodes. First of all, there are a lot of villains without powers in the DCU.

You're just showing how bad idea it is. Because now the writers will be forced to stick solely to those villains who don't have powers to begin with, instead of having access to all of them and reworking them into versions with no powers

Having one character with superpowers doesn't automatically equal turning the show into the last few seasons of Smallville. Does it possibly open the show up to that? Yes. Does that mean that's the direction they'll take the show? No, and given the success the show has had being "Nolan-ized Green Arrow," I'd be willing to bet the Flash will be a one off thing.

Arrow achieved success as Nolan-ized Green Arrow and yet now they're throwing it all away for some crosspromotion of other show. So obviously the vision of Arrow being Nolan-like no longer matters to WB, so this is no assurance. I still hope they will manage to pull it off, but I'm afraid it will be the beginning of the end for this show being awesome. This bassicaly screams jumping the shark.

 

[ReiGun]

The problem is that I doubt this majority consist of Arrow's audience. So it looks like WB is bassicaly doing this to appease people who don't even watch Arrow at all.

Well...yeah. WB is trying to get all their ducks in a row and Arrow got caught in the crossfire. Again, nature of the game.

You're just showing how bad idea it is. Because now the writers will be forced to stick solely to those villains who don't have powers to begin with, instead of having access to all of them and reworking them into versions with no powers

And? I fail to see how the show would be worse off for it. You take all the non powered villains, plus show original ones like season 1 had, plus returning characters (to say nothing of all the character drama and possible appearances by other non-powered heroes) and that's more than enough material to last for a couple seasons. And that's not to say the creative reimaginings will stop; if somehow knowing the Flash exists somewhere in this world ruins a reimagined Killer Frost or whatever, regardless of how well the character is handled or how good the story is, then I really don't know what to say to that.

Arrow achieved success as Nolan-ized Green Arrow and yet now they're throwing it all away for some crosspromotion of other show. So obviously the vision of Arrow being Nolan-like no longer matters to WB, so this is no assurance. I'm still hopefull they will manage to pull it off, but I'm afraid it will be the beginning of the end for this show being awesome.

Throwing it all away for three episodes. In fact, not even a full three. Likely the last ten of minutes of one episode. We have no idea where they'll be going with the show after the Flash appearance; this is all quite a bit of freaking out and negativity over assumptions. I say wait to see the episodes and hear what they have planned.

 

[Wiktor]

And? I fail to see how the show would be worse off for it.
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You fail to see how li miting creative freedom is a bad thing. Ok..let’s get example from S1. The Count, a classic Green Arrow Villani. He couldn’t be used anymore. Because he’s got powers in the comic versions. So the only way to use him in Arrow would be with those powers. And now we’re running to Smallville-land.

Throwing it all away for three episodes. In fact, not even a full three. Likely the last ten of minutes of one episode. Wd.

Yep. Those ten minutes completely destroy the integrity of show’s vision and the the whole world they’ve created. No matter how much you want to pretend it’s otherwise, this is the end of the Nolan-like take on Green Arrow. What emerges after it might still be good and I hope it will, but this marks the end of this particular approach.

 

[ReiGun]

You fail to see how li miting creative freedom is a bad thing. Ok..let’s get example from S1. The Count, a classic Green Arrow Villani. He couldn’t be used anymore. Because he’s got powers in the comic versions. So the only way to use him in Arrow would be with those powers. And now we’re running to Smallville-land.

How can't he be used? They can still do their version of The Count. It's a new universe; if it's not the main DCU, Count Vertigo is whatever the fuck the people working with him want him to be.

I understand that mitigating creative freedom is bad. But this isn't mitigating creative freedom. It's putting Barry Allen in 3 episodes of season 2. What comes after that remains to be seen.

Yep. Those ten minutes completely destroy the integrity of show’s vision and the the whole world they’ve created. No matter how much you want to pretend it’s otherwise, this is the end of the Nolan-like take on Green Arrow. What emerges after it might still be good and I hope it will, but this marks the end of this particular approach.

It's the end of it for those ten minutes. After that, who knows? The very next scene after Barry leaves the show could just be Ollie and the crew in the Arrowcave, joking around like "that happened" and then it never gets brought up again. We don't know.

I'm just not in the business of hating on something for what I think will happen. If we had seen Black Canary use her Canary Cry or they had announced Deadman would be in an episode, you'd have more of a leg to stand on.

And hey, you could end up being totally right. I'm not saying you won't be. I'm just saying there's nothing to go on right now besides a cameo of the Flash. We don't know how it's going to be written or handled in the show. All we have is an announcement. I'm sorry, but that is simply not enough to start declaring Arrow dead in the water.

 

[Wiktor]

How can't he be used? They can still do their version of The Count. It's a new universe; if it's not the main DCU, Count Vertigo is whatever the fuck the people working with him want him to be.

Nope. Either they can't use the character in non-powered way because he might still be needed for other shows taking place in the same universe or they actually use him in de-powered version which makes no sense at all, because why de-power him when there are people with superpowers running around in this universe?

It's the end of it for those ten minutes. After that, who knows?

Sorry, but no. Nolan-like aproach is no powers. Once you have those ten minutes this aproach forever ends.

All we have is an announcement. I'm sorry, but that is simply not enough to start declaring Arrow dead in the water.

I'm not saying it's dead in the water. I'm saying the Nolan-like Arrow we've liked is coming to an end. Whatever comes after it might still be great.

 

[ReiGun]

Nope. Either they can't use the character in non-powered way because he might still be needed for other shows taking place in the same universe or they actually use him in de-powered version which makes no sense at all, because why de-power him when there are people with superpowers running around in this universe?

Count Vertigo, like you said, is a Green Arrow villain. Chances are that means Arrow gets first dibs on him and if their version requires that he not have powers, he won't have powers.

And why not depower him? Like I said, new universe. These characters get changed flipped around all the time. If the status quo for Arrow's show says "no one (with the exception of the Flash that one time) has superpowers," then it won't take much to flip a few for the show's use. There are literally hundreds of supervillains in the DCU. You change a couple to suit the needs of Arrow (mind you, we still haven't even gotten through all of Green Arrow's own rogues gallery) and still have plenty left over for the Flash or any other shows to use. Even Smallville made changes to some characters.

Sorry, but no. Nolan-like aproach is no powers. Once you have those ten minutes this aproach forever ends.

Again this is assuming the Flash even uses his powers on screen. See what I'm saying? This is all based on assumptions. It won't be 1:1 Nolan anymore. I concede that. But "ends forever?" Nope. There's not evidence saying that the Flash won't just be one exception to the rule.

Either way, I suppose we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

 

[Wiktor]

Either way, I suppose we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Yeah, You assume the show will have just one crap episode and then go on ignoring everything that happened in it. Bassicaly be equivalent of dream episode. I hope you're right, but I doubt it. I see it as throwing away one of the best things about the show solely to advertising purposes. This doesn't give me much faith in the show or it's writers anymore.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

The problem I have is that if this does open the door for future superpowered individuals, it cripples Ollie's reasons to exist.

Let's take the Earthquake Machine and destruction of The Glades. Ollie chased down Merlyn and there was a vicious fight and he still lost. It was pretty daring and bittersweet.

If The Flash were there, he'd have ran really fast, grabbed the detonator, taken down Merlyn, and somehow defused the machines in the span of ten minutes. Without a single casualty. How can Oliver compare to that?

That's my problem with superpowers in a universe that started off as grounded. If from the start there were superpowers, that's one thing. It's understandable.

But I'm kind of invested in a story about regular humans who have turned themselves into heroes or weapons or whatever, without the need for superpowers. I can't relate to people who have superpowers, who are gods. Even an accidental god, like The Flash. You can certainly ground him more, but at the end of the day, no one can compete against him, short of introducing villains that are as powerful and dangerous as he is.

Maybe they'll completely ignore after his introduction, but what happens if Arrow is cuffed with further corporate mandates? Or there is more demand for superpowered individuals in the show? I don't wanna see Aquaman or Cyborg or someone show up for a quick cameo in Season 5.

I'll be honest, Smallville ( at least a large portion of it in the second half) was a huge disappointment. I don't wanna see Arrow suffer the same fate, creatively.

I've no problem with The Flash at all. But I would want a superpowered universe and the nonpowered universe to remain separate.

 

[demolitio]

I hope this is just limited to this one instance but I doubt it will be. I like Arrow for being a grounded vigilante show. Other shows and movies with the typical superhero stuff is nice if done right, but Arrow was different because it didn't fall into that category the same way Nolan's Batman trilogy really resonated with people for being gritty and dark while sticking to a more believable world that we could relate to and it felt DIFFERENT than the other comic book worlds we're used to seeing.

It just seems like a slippery slope to introduce superpowers to the Arrow universe and then expect it never to happen again after next season. I understand doing it a few seasons from now if it's getting stale and they need to switch things up, but introducing it so early seems forced and counters the vision they had for Arrow. This isn't just going to happen and then Oliver and the gang forget that supernatural abilities exist either. Will villains now get their appropriate superpowers or will they still be grounded even after the show admits superpowers can exist in their world and the characters are aware of it? It just seems so damn forced to give superpowers to one character when they've avoided it for villains that have already been on the show.

Just please don't become Smallville in any way. CW show budgets just aren't meant for shows with superheroes that need a lot of special effects...

 

[Anbokr]

Yeah I have to echo the same sentiments... I like my Arrow-verse being about humans not demigods. The occasional demigod popping up just ruins the feel and takes away from the stories of people like Ollie and the Dark Archer, we see how much those guys had to go through to get to where they are, how much pain, suffering, etc... how much failure they have to face. I don't think you get the same feel at all with super-powered heroes/villains, there's a place for them, but not on this show.

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

Will villains now get their appropriate superpower

Count Vertigo is moving in that direction.

 

[Jonogunn]

I'm with u guys in the fear that they could ruin a perfectly awesome show.

But come on guys! It's pretty damn exciting! IF they do this right it could be start of something huge for DC that not even Marvel has properly ventured in.

When they made Man of Steel I could SO see him in the nolanverse with bale. Sure it was no longer grounded but the tone in both franchises felt similar. The same COULD be said about this.

I'm just curious how they are going to connect this to the flash movie if at all.

 

[Clevinger]

By the way, with all this stuff being introduced I'm guessing Thea is a goner now. All we've heard about her is... she's working at a bar. Yeah, she ded.

 

[DieH@rd]

Cause I want a badass urban vigilante show, not a shit CGI superhero one.

You are probably watching a wrong show then. Appearance of superpowered charachters has to happen. If they add Black Cannary that doesent have her scream [no matter how they explain it]..... they will fail.

 

[Clevinger]

What's the appeal of her scream? Just imagine this in live action. It'd look so dumb.

 

[Wiktor]

You are probably watching a wrong show then. Appearance of superpowered charachters has to happen. If they add Black Cannary that doesent have her scream [no matter how they explain it]..... they will fail.

Before this shit with Flash was revealed most people assumed that she would get some sort of sonic device. Adding superpowers wasn't bound to happen. In fact the whole show was set up to not let it happen.

 

[TDLink]

I like Arrow quite a bit and I like that they are adding the Flash/super-powers to this universe. So please, people who think this is bad, don't generalize and pretend all fans of the show are on your side in this matter.

The Flash works great for this type of show because he wasn't always stupid/broken/OP fast. There was a time where he was merely quite a bit faster than the normal person, but not doing crazy speedforce shit. That "low powered" version of Flash is something I always found interesting (opposed to the one that can actually break time, etc.).

This gives them the perfect opportunity to use that more classic style of Flash since it is smaller scale and fits television better. At the very least he is going to be at that level for these Arrow episodes. Flash's rogues gallery is also fantastic and almost entirely designed around this low powered Flash. Many of them don't actually have super powers and the few that do can be scaled back realistically into something similar but not the same (like what they already have done with Count Vertigo). Even without powers these "normal" villains are problems for Flash.

Now, I understand the fear that even if Flash is done respectfully and doesn't shatter the "realistic"/"grounded" (let's be honest, absence of super powers really doesn't make this true) universe they have created on this show that it opens Pandora's Box on super powers. Some would be quite dumb, I agree (that includes Black Canary's scream, which is stupid). I don't think adding one or some super powered people will instantly mean we will get all of them though. I think they will be rare and wisely chosen.

Flash is a really good pick for trying to do a powered, but not that powered, hero. Even for those who don't love the idea of powers in this show, couldn't you at least...give it a chance and see how they do it?

 

[ReiGun]

All I'm saying is I'm sure the show runners have considered everything we're talking about. I'll be honest; I'm not too keen on superpowers either. But I'm not going to freak until I see what they plan on doing and how it's executed.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Count Vertigo is moving in that direction.

How do you figure? We last left him drooling and mumbling incoherently in a hospital chair.

I'm with u guys in the fear that they could ruin a perfectly awesome show.

But come on guys! It's pretty damn exciting! IF they do this right it could be start of something huge for DC that not even Marvel has properly ventured in.

When they made Man of Steel I could SO see him in the nolanverse with bale. Sure it was no longer grounded but the tone in both franchises felt similar. The same COULD be said about this.

I'm just curious how they are going to connect this to the flash movie if at all.

I hope they don't connect it to the films, at all. And while tonally they were sorta similar, MoS and the Nolanverse are on completely different wavelengths.

You are probably watching a wrong show then. Appearance of superpowered charachters has to happen. If they add Black Cannary that doesent have her scream [no matter how they explain it]..... they will fail.

They can just have her be a badass vigilante who just kicks ass. Superpowered characters aren't needed for this universe. I like having these different takes on these characters.

I like Arrow quite a bit and I like that they are adding the Flash/super-powers to this universe. So please, people who think this is bad, don't generalize and pretend all fans of the show are on your side in this matter.

The Flash works great for this type of show because he wasn't always stupid/broken/OP fast. There was a time where he was merely quite a bit faster than the normal person, but not doing crazy speedforce shit. That "low powered" version of Flash is something I always found interesting (opposed to the one that can actually break time, etc.).

This gives them the perfect opportunity to use that more classic style of Flash since it is smaller scale and fits television better. At the very least he is going to be at that level for these Arrow episodes. Flash's rogues gallery is also fantastic and almost entirely designed around this low powered Flash. Many of them don't actually have super powers and the few that do can be scaled back realistically into something similar but not the same (like what they already have done with Count Vertigo). Even without powers these "normal" villains are problems for Flash.

Now, I understand the fear that even if Flash is done respectfully and doesn't shatter the "realistic"/"grounded" (let's be honest, absence of super powers really doesn't make this true) universe they have created on this show that it opens Pandora's Box on super powers. Some would be quite dumb, I agree (that includes Black Canary's scream, which is stupid). I don't think adding one or some super powered people will instantly mean we will get all of them though. I think they will be rare and wisely chosen.

Flash is a really good pick for trying to do a powered, but not that powered, hero. Even for those who don't love the idea of powers in this show, couldn't you at least...give it a chance and see how they do it?

Hey, I love Arrow. They've done a fantastic job, so I will wait and see how they do this. I'm just saying, I'm kind of disheartened that show is moving in this direction, since I was hoping from the start that it wouldn't. Maybe it'll be great... but it's not something I hoped the show would do.

All I'm saying is I'm sure the show runners have considered everything we're talking about. I'll be honest; I'm not too keen on superpowers either. But I'm not going to freak until I see what they plan on doing and how it's executed.

Yeah, I'll take a wait and see approach too. I'll try be optimistic, but it is disappointing.

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

How do you figure? We last left him drooling and mumbling incoherently in a hospital chair.

Count Vertigo being a metahuman is a very recent development. For most of his career, his powers were tech based. The Count used an implanted device to regulate his equilibrium, due to having it disrupted by a medical condition. he then found a way to modify it to project its effects into other people.

Basically, once they have a plotline where somebody creates a device to counteract the effects of the Vertigo overdose, he'll have his powers,



On a side note, since they've commented on Dinah Drake being part of Laurel's journey to become Black Canary, and sci-fi concepts are on the table now, I'm wondering if she's a time-displaced version of Laurel's mother.

 

[Clevinger]

On a side note, since they've commented on Dinah Drake being part of Laurel's journey to become Black Canary, and sci-fi concepts are on the table now, I'm wondering if she's a time-displaced version of Laurel's mother.

She's not Dinah Drake, she's

Spoiler

Sara Lance, Laurel's sister.

The initial article that revealed it a while ago got it wrong and confused everyone. I guess it's possible she's using "Dinah Drake" as some kinda pseudonym, but that's not who the actual character is.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Count Vertigo being a metahuman is a very recent development. For most of his career, his powers were tech based. The Count used an implanted device to regulate his equilibrium, due to having it disrupted by a medical condition. he then found a way to modify it to project its effects into other people.

Basically, once they have a plotline where somebody creates a device to counteract the effects of the Vertigo overdose, he'll have his powers,

But the Arrow version of Count Vertigo will never have powers. The closest will get is that he'll become so crazy from Vertigo, that it won't effect him anymore.

Scarecrow-style.

On a side note, since they've commented on Dinah Drake being part of Laurel's journey to become Black Canary, and sci-fi concepts are on the table now, I'm wondering if she's a time-displaced version of Laurel's mother.

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

She's not Dinah Drake, she's

Spoiler

Sara Lance, Laurel's sister.

The initial article that revealed it a while ago got it wrong and confused everyone. I guess it's possible she's using "Dinah Drake" as some kinda pseudonym, but that's not who the actual character is.

OK, that makes way more sense than any of the alternatives.

 

[Wozzly]

On a side note, since they've commented on Dinah Drake being part of Laurel's journey to become Black Canary, and sci-fi concepts are on the table now, I'm wondering if she's a time-displaced version of Laurel's mother.

I can do a fic of that.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I can do a fic of that.

Dare I dream...

 

[Clevinger]

Dare I dream...

I just spent a minute thinking about time travel eroticism...

season 2 needs to get here already

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I just spent a minute thinking about time travel eroticism...

season 2 needs to get here already

Honestly, I think Laurel would still find a way to ruin a sexy lesbian time travel story.

 

[Wiktor]

iverse they have created on this show that it opens Pandora's Box on super powers. Some would be quite dumb, I agree (that includes Black Canary's scream, which is stupid).

Flash is far stupider than a girl with sonic scream.

 

[Sober]

Finished season 1. Pretty damn good. Flashbacks were amazing and I was almost always waiting for them to show up. Felicity is awesome and dat finale.

But I have one real big thing to take away from S1 of Arrow: Wow, holy fuck did Ben Browder get fucking old or what.

 

[shadowkat]

Finished season 1. Pretty damn good. Flashbacks were amazing and I was almost always waiting for them to show up. Felicity is awesome and dat finale.

But I have one real big thing to take away from S1 of Arrow: Wow, holy fuck did Ben Browder get fucking old or what.

The island bits are the best part of the show.

 

[TDLink]

Flash is far stupider than a girl with sonic scream.

We're going to have to disagree on that.

Running faster than a normal human is actually interesting and can spur all sorts of character development with that character taking into consideration how his powers can be used and the responsibility of picking the right situations to use them versus the wrong one.

Screaming super loud is just annoying and doesn't really have an impact on potential character development at all beyond the played out "oh I've got powers now" type of story, which could work for any power.

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

If the Flash series and movie really do join the Arrow and Man of Steel universes, will Ollie spend the entire fight against Darkseid with his head tilted to the side to keep civilians from seeing his face?

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

The only way this would be cool is if the Flash broke the sound barrier and blew up a city block in the aftermath of his sonic boom.

Sigh.

Well, I just hope they won't hook this up with the film universe. I mean, if this turns out to be a sober version of the whole Batman/Superman meeting, but with Arrow and Flash, maybe it'll be interesting. I'd want it just so Barry is the only real superpowered individual.

So who should play him? If he weren't on Supernatural and it's potential spin-off, I'd say Jensen Ackles.

If only to get that suggestion out of the way.

 

[a secret-boss]

Finished season 1. Pretty damn good. Flashbacks were amazing and I was almost always waiting for them to show up. Felicity is awesome and dat finale.

But I have one real big thing to take away from S1 of Arrow: Wow, holy fuck did Ben Browder get fucking old or what.

Join team felicity

 

[Wiktor]

We're going to have to disagree on that.

Running faster than a normal human is actually interesting and can spur all sorts of character development with that character taking into consideration how his powers can be used and the responsibility of picking the right situations to use them versus the wrong one.

Screaming super loud is just annoying and doesn't really have an impact on potential character development at all beyond the played out "oh I've got powers now" type of story, which could work for any power.

Flash power makes telling good continued stories almost impossible. It's silly and overwpowered. It's good for short story, but continonous series? Nope.
This holds true even more for a show like Arrow, where Flash bassicaly breaks the whole damn thing power-wise. Makes the hero completely useless and fully at the mercy of side character. Sonic weapon can be usefull, but not to the point of breaking the whole setting like Flash one does.

 

[krypt0nian]

The Flash news is spectacular. Finally powers on a show which while great, always has me scratching my head when they avoid the rest of the DCU.

Step in the very right direction.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Flash power makes telling good continued stories almost impossible. It's silly and overwpowered. It's good for short story, but continonous series? Nope.
This holds true even more for a show like Arrow, where Flash bassicaly breaks the whole damn thing power-wise. Makes the hero completely useless and fully at the mercy of side character. Sonic weapon can be usefull, but not to the point of breaking the whole setting like Flash one does.

If they did, they need to cripple Flash in some way. Make it so that his powers are as dangerous to him as they are to anyone else. Make using these powers a dangerous option that has severe consequences.

I'm probably in the minority, but I'd wanna see Flash's suit designed similar to the Tron suits. Make it seems as if it has some sort of utility. Just change the colour scheme to red with gold light. Make it a protective outfit. Maybe use a helmet (that is collapsible cause that is fucking cool).

I'm not a fan of skintight outfits. They're hard to make look good, especially on a TV budget.

The Flash news is spectacular. Finally powers on a show which while great, always has me scratching my head when they avoid the rest of the DCU.

Step in the very right direction.

Cause it's Arrow's story, in a universe without superpowers! Which is what sold me on the concept.

 

[Wiktor]

You know. If I was Arrow writer and somebody would force me to include Flash I would have him be thrown into alternative universe in the last episode and gain powers during the transition

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

You know. If I was Arrow writer and somebody would force me to include Flash I would have him be thrown into alternative universe in the last episode and gain powers during the transition

Never be to mentioned again.

Hahahahaha.

But then that opens up the Justice League from the 32nd century appearing in Season 9 if the writers run out of ideas.

 

[Urban Scholar]

I went into the thread, I read this page & now I'm a bit worried.

I'll reserve judgement and hope the interaction is very limited.

 

[TDLink]

Flash power makes telling good continued stories almost impossible. It's silly and overwpowered. It's good for short story, but continonous series? Nope.
This holds true even more for a show like Arrow, where Flash bassicaly breaks the whole damn thing power-wise. Makes the hero completely useless and fully at the mercy of side character. Sonic weapon can be usefull, but not to the point of breaking the whole setting like Flash one does.

Again, I disagree. Flash was not designed to be some super OP hero. That is a relatively recent development. There is a reason most of his villains are pretty grounded and not even super powered, because he wasn't that ridiculous and they could actually pose a threat to the way the character's powers originally worked. Flash isn't going to make Green Arrow useless. The Superman/Batman gap is even wider and Batman is not made useless in that quite common team up.

Cause it's Arrow's story, in a universe without superpowers! Which is what sold me on the concept.

It's still going to be "Arrow's Story". That doesn't mean they can't have stories about other DC characters. They already have, in fact, with The Huntress, Deadshot, and Deathstroke, among others. Green Arrow's cast of characters has always been littered with powers anyways, like the frequently mentioned Black Canary.

Somehow Green Arrow has worked in the comics for decades in a world with super powers. It will work on this show too. Plus it will probably lead to creative trick arrows, which is kind of iconic of the character and something that has been missing from the show thus far.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Again, I disagree. Flash was not designed to be some super OP hero. That is a relatively recent development. There is a reason most of his villains are pretty grounded and not even super powered, because he wasn't that ridiculous and they could actually pose a threat to the way the character's powers originally worked. Flash isn't going to make Green Arrow useless. The Superman/Batman gap is even wider and Batman is not made useless in that quite common team up.

How did Flash's original powers work?

It's still going to be "Arrow's Story". That doesn't mean they can't have stories about other DC characters. They already have, in fact, with The Huntress, Deadshot, and Deathstroke, among others. Green Arrow's cast of characters has always been littered with powers anyways, like the frequently mentioned Black Canary.

Somehow Green Arrow has worked in the comics for decades in a world with super powers. It will work on this show too. Plus it will probably lead to creative trick arrows, which is kind of iconic of the character and something that has been missing from the show thus far.

He better still kill fools.

 

[ReiGun]

How did Flash's original powers work?

He moved fast.

The Speed Force didn't come around until Wally's time as the Flash in 90's.

Either way, this is all moot, because if you think Flash in the show is going to be as powerful as Flash in the comics, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

He moved fast.

The Speed Force didn't come around until Wally's time as the Flash in 90's.

Either way, this is all moot, because if you think Flash in the show is going to be as powerful as Flash in the comics, I don't know what to tell you.

But how fast is fast?

Are we talking sonic booms?