IGN's impressions of PS4 Remote Play with KNACK on Vita [beautifull image, no lag]

DieH@rd said:
PS3 encoded video by taking some CPU power back from games. It was not fast, and developers did not want to give that power to feature that few would use. Also, PS3 had 802.11g WiFi module, which adds some latency.

On the other hand, both Vita and PS4 were built from the ground up for remote play. PS4 has dedicated hardware for fast video encoding, vita has dedicated hardware for fast video decoding, and both have fast 802.11n WiFi modules. For best performance, PS4 and Vita need to talk directly, without use of home router.
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And it's using Gaikai's streaming protocol which I imagine is low latency/overhead etc.
 
$h@d0w said:
Quotes like this are making me want to stop reading and posting on NeoGAF.
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Nintendo die-hards try to sell Nintendo stuff on every gaming forum, not just on Gaf. But at least I get the sense they are genuine posters and not shills, like the Microsoft preachers.
 
could someone tell me latency between television and the PS Vita.
On a french site, a guy claim the latency is 100ms
 
kensama said:
could someone tell me latency between television and the PS Vita.
On a french site, a guy claim the latency is 100ms
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Latency between this [very fast] Sony television and Vita is ~65ms, but lets wait for official measurements with finalized software. Sony mentioned that RP software is not fully ready.
 
What I wonder: Is the 1-2 frames lag beetween the Vita and the Tv also the lag beetween the Vita controls and the image on the Vita? That is what counts and isn't this a completly different thing?
 
This I made a few days ago from the Engadget video. It's 30fps video slowed down to 1fps so you can easily see the difference.


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DieH@rd said:
Its official, I will post REMOTE PLAY |OT| on Monday or Tuesday. I need good subtitle, so give suggestions here. :)





Yes, 15ms for 42" TV is awesome.
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My suggestion remains "Yes you can play it anywhere with wifi"

Obviously have the key details in the op. Can connect direct or play through a router.
 
Derrick01 said:
If that's how it'll really work on my mediocre internet then I will be very satisfied that I kept my Vita. I'm just very reluctant to believe it will work like that.
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I think I'm purposely trying to stay reluctant, and be surprised when I hear impressions. Anybody can yell "No lag!!" Like the Onlive guys did, but there was very clearly enough lag to put me off (before I built my nice gaming rig.)

So yeah, I'm cautiously optimistic.
 
Darth Tigris said:
The lack of skepticism here is troubling. BiasGAF in full effect...?
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Every journalist who tried it on Vita was very impressed, and we have their report in both written and video form. Look at the video in OP, other videos posted latter and some of the articles on the web.

Skepticism is welcomed, but for now, we have proof that Remote Play is working fine on both Vita and VitaTV. Off course, detailed testing by Digital Foundry will be much apreciated, but for that we have to wait ~2 months.
 
DieH@rd said:
Every journalist who tried it on Vita was very impressed, and we have their report in both written and video form. Look at the video in OP, other videos posted latter and some of the articles on the web.

Skepticism is welcomed, but for now, we have proof that Remote Play is working fine on both Vita and VitaTV. Off course, detailed testing by Digital Foundry will be much apreciated, but for that we have to wait ~2 months.
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We don't really have details and there is still fuck-all to suggest it will work smoothly via internet away from home like people are really getting excited about.

Healthy skepticism would be not subtitling an OP "works anywhere in the world over the internet." Really, all we've seen is laggier wii u functionality with a potentially (much) greater distance and still fewer buttons than a DS4, with the absolute worst technical feature of the Vita (rear touchpad) as the supposed solution.

If streaming over the internet works as well as people are hyping it, then great. At least some of this fanfare will be warranted, but going "oh my god, the monst controlled demonstrations ever show it to work better than vita/ps3 and worse than a Wii U! Best thing ever! It will work anywhere in the world!!" Is absurd.
 
Looks fantastic. I may have to buy a vita at some point although I am a little curious as to how well remote play will work if my PS4 is in the basement and I'm trying to play on my Vita upstairs in my bedroom.

Are they phasing out the OLED screen OG Vita altogether or will they continue to sell it for a while?
 
shampoowarrior said:
We don't really have details and there is still fuck-all to suggest it will work smoothly via internet away from home like people are really getting excited about.
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Playing over the Internet is not guaranteed to work well for everyone... but ping between my PC and PC of my friend who is 72 kilometers [45 miles] away is just 18ms. And that is ping with the Internet infrastructure of technically forgotten Serbia.

Playing Remote Play on shorter distances [sub 20km] with good 802.11n router at the end will be more than viable. On larger distances... there will be problems.
 
shampoowarrior said:
We don't really have details and there is still fuck-all to suggest it will work smoothly via internet away from home like people are really getting excited about.

Healthy skepticism would be not subtitling an OP "works anywhere in the world over the internet." Really, all we've seen is laggier wii u functionality with a potentially (much) greater distance and still fewer buttons than a DS4, with the absolute worst technical feature of the Vita (rear touchpad) as the supposed solution.

If streaming over the internet works as well as people are hyping it, then great. At least some of this fanfare will be warranted, but going "oh my god, the monst controlled demonstrations ever show it to work better than vita/ps3 and worse than a Wii U! Best thing ever! It will work anywhere in the world!!" Is absurd.
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This is really unfair to the people in this thread and those of us who have been following this feature. First of all, you'll find plenty of people in the thread who are saying they're happy with the impressions but will wait for a less controlled test to know for sure. The reason so many ARE hyped by the impressions is that these are the first ones available and they are uniformly positive. That's good new to us precisely because we have been skeptical of it.

Third of all, I don't really think anyone expects the over-the-Internet play to be as good as a local connection between the two devices. That's just unrealistic. There's simply too many factors working against that. If someone is expecting to play a Burnout, Rayman or fighting game hundreds of miles from home on a controller setup that wasn't designed for the original game ... They're just naive or too young to have seen this kind of marketing pitch before. I'll fully stand by and make fun of them with you if that's true, but I don't see that here.

Finally, on a related note, the thread title was suggested simply because a lot of people are seemingly not aware of this feature at all. Even the folks on the Weekend Confirmed podcast were unaware of it a few weeks ago, despite Sony talking about it for months.

So yeah, we're skeptical. But hopeful that it will be good enough for most games with a local connection and for stuff like RPGs and story-heavy games over the Internet.
 
Darth Tigris said:
The lack of skepticism here is troubling. BiasGAF in full effect...?
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No one in this thread has actually used the remote play so we are basing everything on videos and previews.

Every Single previews have been amazing, looks like you want gaf to hate on something even though we have nothing to hate it for... talk about bias.
 
Darth Tigris said:
The lack of skepticism here is troubling. BiasGAF in full effect...?
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There was plenty of scepticism when this was announced, partly based on the poor PSP/PS3 remote play. But wiiU showed it could be done! and these hands on are all positive. Hence the enthusiasm in the thread


REMOTE PLAY |OT| Locate your nearest university cafeteria inside
 
DieH@rd said:
OP will have history of Remote Play, Instructions how to use it, FAQ, Internet articles with impressions, and a custom GIF or two. :)
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Good stuff.

I bet by page 10 there are still people going "Wait. I can use this away from home?" or "Wait. Is this over my WiFi connection or direct with the PS4?"
 
I'm not getting why people are talking about lag between the TV and the Vita. Unless you're using the Vita as a controller and staring at a TV, shouldn't lag be a non-issue as long as what's on the Vita screen matches 1:1 with Vita input?
 
mattiewheels said:
I'm not getting why people are talking about lag between the TV and the Vita. Unless you're using the Vita as a controller and staring at a TV, shouldn't lag be a non-issue as long as what's on the Vita screen matches 1:1 with Vita input?
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But it can't be 1:1 if the Vita is behind the TV lag-wise. (The TV gets the signal faster and processes it quicker than the Vita.)

Looks like about 3 frames of lag on a 30FPS game. There are people buying TVs today for quite a bit of money that have worse lag than that.
You will have people at launch saying the Vita displays the image earlier than their TV, just like they did with the WiiU.

(This is only valid for local wifi, not over the internet which I doubt will be a good experience.)
 
As long as it can play most games reasonably well, I'll be happy. Anyone expecting it to be perfect with no lag from across the country would just find something else to complain about anyway if it was.
 
mattiewheels said:
I'm not getting why people are talking about lag between the TV and the Vita. Unless you're using the Vita as a controller and staring at a TV, shouldn't lag be a non-issue as long as what's on the Vita screen matches 1:1 with Vita input?
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People are confused. If you are using remote play, you won't be watching the tv anyway. Input lag between the PS4 and the vita is all that matters.
 
I think most people are being very reasonable about remote play and it's 'remote' use. I don't think anyone is expecting a flawless GoW or burnout experience, but RPGs and plenty of other kinds of games will be fine
 
spatenfloot said:
People are confused. If you are using remote play, you won't be watching the tv anyway. Input lag between the PS4 and the vita is all that matters.
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As long as I can sit in bed and play GTAV and Witcher 3, and not feel like the controls are off, this'll be a great achievement.
 
blackflag said:
There's another gif that shows 2 frames difference so depending on the framerate like 67ms. Completely fine for all but probably fighting games.
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67ms is the standard for a 60fps game BEFORE scaling, encoding , being sent across wifi and being decided again.


Knack is 30fps so will have 100ms+ due to that then the rest of those things adding additional lag afterwards.


Remote play is an awesome feature, but I foresee some people feeling the experience is lacking compared to a TV
 
EvB said:
Knack is 30fps so will have 100ms+ due to that then the rest of those things adding additional lag afterwards.
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Could be 83ms, believe.

(100ms is a reasonable assumption. That's the standard that 30 FPS titles strive for.)
 
TBH this feature is simply icing on the cake. I don't think anyone is buying a PS4 purely because of Remote Play, so as long as they get it into a semi-decent state, then I'll be happy to have it as an option. That said, if it's shit, I'm sure we will all survive.
 
mattiewheels said:
I'm not getting why people are talking about lag between the TV and the Vita. Unless you're using the Vita as a controller and staring at a TV, shouldn't lag be a non-issue as long as what's on the Vita screen matches 1:1 with Vita input?
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Because all we have is the difference between the TV and the vita. The TV is getting a wired signal from a PS4/Devkit and is on a fast TV. So the image you see on there is the very fastest that the game can be displayed. The Vita is displaying the same frames a couple of frames later than that TV. So the difference between playing that game on that TV, or on the Vita, is a couple of frames. On many people's TVs they would be displaying the same fame at the same time, or possibly earlier on the Vita than the TV.

The comparison is used to show how much extra lag there would be from playing on the vita compared to playing directly on the TV.
 
DBT85 said:
This I made a few days ago from the Engadget video. It's 30fps video slowed down to 1fps so you can easily see the difference.


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This is the same as the Little Big Planet video. People seem to have different perceptions of what's considered lag. The Wii U would not look like that
 
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