FrankCaron
Gold Member
We're past gaming's prime, Oculus withstanding.
Raise the flame shield: Your "controversial" gaming opinion.
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I like when people who claim to love a game so much can't even spell a major characters name right. Just like all the DMC3 "Virgil" fans.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I agree for the most part. I'll go a step further in saying that Steam is popularizing said method and the reason why companies like MS wanted to implement their DRM in the first place. Steam may not be the reason for the inevitable download-only DRM future, but it's speeding it along.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Yup. Definitely controversial. Because PS2 RPGs never really appealed to me aside from a few sequels of games that were born on, you guessed it, the PS1. And the SNES/Genesis era? Despite having the best Fire Emblem, I just don't love sprites that much.
Here it goes
-I like video games
-I enjoy video games
-No games are actually overrated and people can enjoy them as much as they want
-Opinions are never fact and never will be. Everyone can like/dislike what they want and there's nothing wrong with that
-Diversity in art style (sprite based and polygon based games) is a wonderful thing!
-Diversity in gameplay style is also a wonderful thing, everyone gets something to enjoy!
-Games don't age
-No big company (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft) in the industry should be doom and gloom! We need them in fact!
-I like video games
-I enjoy video games
-No games are actually overrated and people can enjoy them as much as they want
-Opinions are never fact and never will be. Everyone can like/dislike what they want and there's nothing wrong with that
-Diversity in art style (sprite based and polygon based games) is a wonderful thing!
-Diversity in gameplay style is also a wonderful thing, everyone gets something to enjoy!
-Games don't age
-No big company (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft) in the industry should be doom and gloom! We need them in fact!
Dr. Buni
Member
I agree. Games people say to have "aged badly" weren't really good when they were released. Ex: Super Mario 64.
Not sure what to make of this. Are you saying Mario 64 is bad as fact or not? Probably not the best example tbh.
Personally I like the game, but I have no problems with someone not liking it though!
I just think people's mindset/tolerance/taste just changed if anything. I was able to play through any old game I grew up with perfectly fine.
People that are sad about MAG dying should man up and give Dust 514 a try.
It's ugly as sin, but the guns are futuristic, there's lots of bullets, and it's not Call of Duty.
Did I just describe Titanfall?
Agreed. Most games are actually pretty easy to play as I got older. I still enjoy NBA Street Vol. 2 just as much as I used to, even though I don't have nearly as much time to play.
*sigh* I'm getting old.
It's ugly as sin, but the guns are futuristic, there's lots of bullets, and it's not Call of Duty.
Did I just describe Titanfall?
Agreed. Most games are actually pretty easy to play as I got older. I still enjoy NBA Street Vol. 2 just as much as I used to, even though I don't have nearly as much time to play.
*sigh* I'm getting old.
I want them to bring back the more serious tone of GTAIV and Red Dead. GTAV was fun, but felt too campy at times and the story sucked. I will concede that I liked GTAV's bigger scale missions, those can stay, but no more of the silliness from Trevor.
The Xbox One beats the PS4 in literally EVERY aspect* except for power (and that frightens me going into the future)
*imo, the PS4 has more indie games but I'm going off of what I'm specifically interested in
Consoles are more fun and PC's.
Aim Down Sights in (most) shooters is bad.
Super Smash is the only fun fighting game
Button mashers ie. God Of War like games are boring.
WRPG >>>>>>>>>>>> JRPG
oh and GTA Online is still super fun
and also, Party chat ruined multiplayer games
The Xbox One beats the PS4 in literally EVERY aspect* except for power (and that frightens me going into the future)
*imo, the PS4 has more indie games but I'm going off of what I'm specifically interested in
Consoles are more fun and PC's.
Aim Down Sights in (most) shooters is bad.
Super Smash is the only fun fighting game
Button mashers ie. God Of War like games are boring.
WRPG >>>>>>>>>>>> JRPG
oh and GTA Online is still super fun
and also, Party chat ruined multiplayer games
What RPG series were really born on the PS1 that then had PS2 sequels? I'm genuinely curious. Not Final Fantasy. Tales started on the SNES, though I think its first english release was PS1 I suppose. Persona started on the PS1. But I'd argue the original Persona games (prior to 3) were more like the SMT series for better or worse. It may share the same name, but the Persona series only really became what it is today on the PS2. Grandia was a saturn game but again I guess its english release was PS1.
The SNES/Gen era had Super Mario RPG, Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, FF6, Phantasy Star 4, Ys Book 1/2 and various others. It may not match up, in my mind, to gen 6's RPG output, but there is definitely some quality there. I don't adore the Square games of the SNES era like others seem to, but they're definitely a step above their games since IMO.
Basically I just don't like the PS1's output at all. A lot of the oft praised games are extremely clunky and unappealing and I feel like the N64 and Saturn's libraries were much better and on top of that have aged better too. Majora's Mask, the Banjo Series, Panzer Dragoon series and Radiant Silvergun are all better than anything on the PS1 bar MGS, to me at least.
thelastword
Banned
Man I tend to think so too, I grew up on pc gaming. I use to buy those cheap diskettes with lots of freeware, shareware games. I'll tell you, there were a lot of unique ideas then, nice artstyles etc.. I still remember playing slordax, dangerous dave, yukon trail, scorched earth and a slew of other games, back then pc gaming felt alive, it wasn't all about the money either so creativity ran rampant.
Right now I feel that even major PC games are coming to consoles, like the diablos etc...you hardly hear console players begging for pc ports, you mostly hear pc gamers begging that such and such console game to be ported so they could play at a higher resolution with a better framerate, there's nothing wrong with that but in my opinion pc games use to have more of an identity with their own exclusive and unique games, that has certainly dwindled significantly.
Let me put it this way: I only enjoy action RPGs. Excited for Final Fantasy XV.
Mr. Smiley
Member
I don't think that's actually an unpopular "controversial" opinion, nowadays at least on the West side. There was thread not too long ago asking many Gaffers why they don't like JRPGs, and nearly all who don't enjoy them said they find turn-based combat unappealing. One of their points was that, at least.
Not saying Gaf is the total gamer population or that all JRPGs are turn based, but it does give insight on why Action-RPGs have been on the rise.
Not saying Gaf is the total gamer population or that all JRPGs are turn based, but it does give insight on why Action-RPGs have been on the rise.
It's not my favorite RPG in general nowadays but I feel you on many of your points. FFVII is still one of the best in the series imo. Heads above it's predecessors.
It doesn't feel too long ago that this wouldn't be considered a "controversial" gaming opinion. Now if you ain't sippin' on the V / VI / IX / XII Kool-Aid you don't know what you're talking about.
Bananajama
Banned
I haven't played a Rayman as good as the first I played back on the PS1
Pc gaming certainly still has its own identiy, I think. It is just that this identity has changed.
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
Lords of Shadow is better than GoW 3.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Damn straight.
QualityPixel
Banned
The Library level in Halo is awesome and a fun challenge. The flood enemies should be a staple in every halo game.
Inclined to agree even though I really liked GoW 3 as well.
Lords of Shadows was just awesome! A little too damn long tho.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
If you're trying that "Well it was on Saturn first" I'll have to tell you that Saturn didn't try to compete in America, Sony did. And while Super Mario RPG and Fire Emblem 4 are two of my favorite games of all time, PS1 had (as far as great games, not games who had sequels which continued on the PS2):
- Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete
- Lunar 2: Eternal Blue Complete
- Suikoden I
- Suikoden II
- Tales of Destiny
- Brave Fencer Musashi
- Xenogears
- Thousand Arms
- Star Ocean: Second Story
- Grandia
- Final Fantasy Tactics
- Final Fantasy IX
- Front Mission 3
Those are just the games I got to play. There are dozens more (of plenty of other genres) that were great as well. Parasite Eve, BoF III & IV, Castlevania: SotN, Chrono Cross, Legend of Mana, Vagrant Story, Valkyrie Profile, Vandal Hearts and the Wild ARMs series. And those are just the games I can think of off the top of my head.
PS2 had a few great games and all, but they also started the Gust/NIS era that I've been suffering through since 2005 or so. It's hard to forgive it for that.
You still see stuff like DayZ which would be completely impossible on a console where users have no control over the games. You are right though that is the exception and it used to be far more common.
That doesn't change the fact that there are very few PC games that are not console ports. This is starting to change now with Kickstarter. For the past generation Steam has been nothing but higher resolution console games.
Again this is starting to change as I mentioned. There is a reason why early access games that are broken in many ways are selling better on Steam than expensive console games that have been ported to pc.
You could just ignore them....
Laieon
Member
I still love PC gaming and I do most of my gaming on PC, but I do think it lost a lot of appeal after Ensemble died.
Valkyrie Profile (my favorite RPG series of all time).
Chrono Trigger is one of the dullest RPG games I've ever played. It really doesn't excel in any category. The game does have some amazing moments, but these moments are so far apart in the game's dull story it doesn't redeem it.
.Hack//G.U. is the Shadow the Hedgehog of jRPGs
Pokemon X/Y is without a doubt the worst mainline Pokemon game out there.
Shin Megami Tensei IV is a huge disappointment, the game is artificially difficult (which is becoming a trend with modern games it seems), it's easily one of the weaker games in the entire franchise. Although it's great if you want to be introduced to the series...I guess, but overall big letdown.
Silent Storm is one of, if not the best sRPG ever made.
.Hack//G.U. is the Shadow the Hedgehog of jRPGs
Pokemon X/Y is without a doubt the worst mainline Pokemon game out there.
Shin Megami Tensei IV is a huge disappointment, the game is artificially difficult (which is becoming a trend with modern games it seems), it's easily one of the weaker games in the entire franchise. Although it's great if you want to be introduced to the series...I guess, but overall big letdown.
Silent Storm is one of, if not the best sRPG ever made.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
If that era could be reasonably declared as "over", yes I could. We're slowly getting there, with next year releasing P5 and FFXV (hopefully) and this year Tales of Zestiria and X. Now if the rumored Falcom PS4 game comes out next year as well, then we'll be close to the curse being broken.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Here's another.
I will never get the love of Morrowind. Though I will preface this with I only played the Xbox version. 3rd person just felt clunky in general, and the over reliance on dice rolls for combat left it feeling abstract. I enjoyed the freedom to go wherever, and often found myself in fights I was just not equipped to handle, but overall the experience just felt very piecemeal. Like they couldn't decide if they wanted to change combat rulesets to fit the sense of immediacy a first person view gives, or stick with what they knew. Or they just didn't have the technical power to fully realize you missing a shot because the unseen die roll has you coming up short.
I will never get the love of Morrowind. Though I will preface this with I only played the Xbox version. 3rd person just felt clunky in general, and the over reliance on dice rolls for combat left it feeling abstract. I enjoyed the freedom to go wherever, and often found myself in fights I was just not equipped to handle, but overall the experience just felt very piecemeal. Like they couldn't decide if they wanted to change combat rulesets to fit the sense of immediacy a first person view gives, or stick with what they knew. Or they just didn't have the technical power to fully realize you missing a shot because the unseen die roll has you coming up short.
Well, I would hope it's not "over" since the games you're referring to as a curse are games I like.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Indeed.
Conspiracies, double-triple-quadriple identities, secret organizations, bla bla bla, wtf.
Which is kind of funny since the game is incredibly easy as well.
Story, cultural diversity, interesting locales, an overall very alien but well thought out world. The gameplay was clunky as hell, but highly customizable with the best enchanting system and the best spellmaker in the elder scrolls series. It's not the combat that made Morrowind awesome, though once you figured out how to get past the dice rolls it worked fine. Also, on PC nowadays there're some very nice mods for it that make it look beautiful.
Also it's the only Elder scrolls where the towns felt right for me. That being said, your complaints are absolutely legitimate ones and I would never suggest Morrowind for its combat.
Uh...Disney characters are still prominent in the series. They actually cut back all the FF character cameos for MORE Disney characters and worlds in Birth By Sleep and 3D so I'm not sure what you're talking about there.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
I don't know, over half of KH3D seemed like bullshit.
I got so hyped for 3D when Nomura said there would be all new worlds but the only 100% new Disney world (where none of the films characters had appeared in the series previously) was Hunchback. I failed to see how Tron was a whole new world and Pranksters Paradise was disappointing as there was no Foulfellow, Gideon or Stromboli. And you ended back in Monstro again.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
The curse is equally over when enough enjoyable RPGs come out on consoles that aren't those kinds of games. This will sound weird, but: I only hate your games because they don't seem to want to release mine anymore.
In general I feel that way about most stuff I dislike.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Square should make a Final Fantasy VIII-2.
Going by that list you made, quite a few of those games are from either now defunct developers, franchises that done poorly and is now retired, or the company that's originally released them has a completely different vision for their products now. Those games you dislike has no bearing on the type of games you wanted. You're better off blaming developers and publishers of the games you like for not making more games you like.
Oh hell no. I'm on board for a sequel but not if those goons are making it.
TastyOreoFriend
Member
Pretty much right here. I don't see why anyone would want a remake of any past FF from the current Squeenix.
TheMixta43
Neo Member
Prince of Persia (2008) wasn't as good as Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands.
I think the art style was fantastic and the story/atmosphere was phenomenal, but the platforming felt a bit too "on-rails" (don't really know how else to explain it) and the combat was pretty terrible. Still think the game is great overall though.
Also the Wii version of Forgotten Sands is way, way better than the HD version, but that shouldn't be an unpopular opinion.
I think the art style was fantastic and the story/atmosphere was phenomenal, but the platforming felt a bit too "on-rails" (don't really know how else to explain it) and the combat was pretty terrible. Still think the game is great overall though.
Also the Wii version of Forgotten Sands is way, way better than the HD version, but that shouldn't be an unpopular opinion.
I didn't really like Yoshi's Island DS either, but I don't understand the mass vitrol against the music. Plenty of things to criticize the game about yet all I see whenever it's brought up is just cherry-picking comparison tracks to the first and little else. I just think some people are being too dramatic about it.
Then again I don't even like the music in the first YI that much so maybe my standards were set lower..
Then again I don't even like the music in the first YI that much so maybe my standards were set lower..
Could be that. YI SNES's music isn't the greatest thing but at the same time the music is hella catchy and good to me, so naturally I was disappointed with YIDS's music. I mean it doesn't have to be as good as YI SNES's music but it ended up being really terrible by itself. But yes, YIDS has far more problems than just music. The game was overall boring and needlessly complicated.
Fair enough, I just didn't really understand the "Refused to play further than stage one cause of the music" crowd. I don't think I'd ever quit a game cause of bad music unless it was at Crazy Bus levels.
While I agree it's far from Crazy Bus levels, the music managed to irritate me. Especially the Castle theme... but I got up to maybe the 2nd or 3rd world. The last straw was the boring level design. Couldn't get into the game at all lol
I played that game for the first time a few months ago, it's a really neat game, kind of surprised at the hate it gets. I'll continue it when I have access to my good ol' CRT.