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‘The Walking Dead’ – Season 5, Part 1 – Sundays on AMC

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Kuroyume said:
It wasn't great at all. It was awful. And I question the judgment of anyone who dares to justify that as a good episode. It had some of the worst wooden acting I have ever seen in a television show. And that's saying quite a lot for the Walking Dead, the king of bad acting. I've seen better acting on reality television. It's like they asked a bunch of their stage hands if they wanted to act and then gave them the job to avoid hiring some actual actors.

The dialogue as I've mentioned before was dreadful. Beth asks the new amputee what the guard had done to her and instead of simply answering the question she responds with some drivel about Satan or something. Just the typical bunch of fucking nonsense and filler crap that's a staple of this show. It's like none one can answer each other on the show straight. Everything has to be in riddles or as vague as possible.

And, what was the point of the Dr bringing Beth down to the zombies in the lower levels? Like telling her they can't leave because there are zombies all over the place wasn't enough? Hey it's that same 'ol zombies-behind-a-blockade-to-show-they're-a-threat scene which we've seen like over a 100 times by now. Yeah, those zombies which many characters can now seemingly dispatch of in droves with a butter knife are totally impossible for a small army of officers with guns to take care off. Yeah, this situation is a total conundrum. And, how pointless was it that he had to get Beth to kill for him when he could have simply done it himself. It's not as if any of those officers had equal medical training so he could have made it look like it wasn't a murder.

Nothing in his episode made any damn sense. And the idea that these guys would just knock her out and kidnap her out of nowhere is equally as confusing. Why were they driving around in the middle of the woods at night? What's the point of rescuing people if you're going to act like assholes and allow people to deplete your resources? At least Terminus made sense since they wanted food.
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In regard to these two points, the doctor brought her down there to show her why he can't/won't leave, not why the group doesn't leave. As for the cars, they use them to make runs.
 
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RatskyWatsky

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Won

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Episode felt undercooked. Like they didn't want to spend any money on sets or some more extras. Or some more time in the writing room to develop some actual characters.
 
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Renzoku said:
Holy shit at the Doctor's room with the light illuminating the painting. I was just waiting for when the philosophical bullshit would start because they were obviously fucking READY to discuss that thing. Some of the dumbest cinematography of all fucking time.

That episode was easily one of the worst of the entire show.



What development? Blank stares, non-answers, vapid bullshit is character development to you? You're such a deep thinker with a true appreciation for the undertones of the show unlike us plebs who just want lolaction amidoingitrite?

What world building? Here's a bunch of people in a hospital in ATLANTA, AGAIN. There is no creed the group follows aside from a basic "give-and-take" mentality. The rest of their organization is incomprehensible because of how fucking abjectly bad the writing is in this episode.


People keep making this mistake that every point of view is valid and worthy of discussion; episodes like this one prove that this isn't the case. The episode was shit.
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I guess you're not a fan of nonverbal communication. I don't know maybe some people need to have everything spelled out for them. But I wasn't left with any lingering questions or feelings of anything vague having occurred.

She was kidnapped and put into what basically amounted to indentured servitude. By a group of people who's leader still believes the old world will come back. And if we're to believe Eugene, it might. Seeing how others are surviving is important to a show about survival. Even if those people are going about it in the wrong way.

Maybe for this group "give-and-take" is enough because at least their leader for sure believes things will return to normal. What more do you need. In the apocalypse people for the most part would probably boil down to their most basic needs. You have something I want and I have something you want. We can either help one another or I will take it from you or in this case make you help us because we're basically enslaving you.
 
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Poimandres

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Episode was pretty bad. The hospital felt fake, the actions of the people in the hospital felt unnatural, Beth didn't emote very well, and it was all just a bit flat. On the upside, I did like the doctor. Meh.
 
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jay23

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Looks like a lot of you guys hated the episode, I thought it was gonna be terrible but I really didn't mind it. I'm assuming Noah was with Darryl at the end of episode 2.

So is next week gonna be dedicated to "Glenns" group? Hope not cause I dislike Abraham's character, he seems so out of place.
 
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Kuroyume said:
It wasn't great at all. It was awful. And I question the judgment of anyone who dares to justify that as a good episode. It had some of the worst wooden acting I have ever seen in a television show. And that's saying quite a lot for the Walking Dead, the king of bad acting. I've seen better acting on reality television. It's like they asked a bunch of their stage hands if they wanted to act and then gave them the job to avoid hiring some actual actors.

The dialogue as I've mentioned before was dreadful. Beth asks the new amputee what the guard had done to her and instead of simply answering the question she responds with some drivel about Satan or something. Just the typical bunch of fucking nonsense and filler crap that's a staple of this show. It's like none one can answer each other on the show straight. Everything has to be in riddles or as vague as possible.

And, what was the point of the Dr bringing Beth down to the zombies in the lower levels? Like telling her they can't leave because there are zombies all over the place wasn't enough? Hey it's that same 'ol zombies-behind-a-blockade-to-show-they're-a-threat scene which we've seen like over a 100 times by now. Yeah, those zombies which many characters can now seemingly dispatch of in droves with a butter knife are totally impossible for a small army of officers with guns to take care off. Yeah, this situation is a total conundrum. And, how pointless was it that he had to get Beth to kill for him when he could have simply done it himself. It's not as if any of those officers had equal medical training so he could have made it look like it wasn't a murder.

Nothing in his episode made any damn sense. And the idea that these guys would just knock her out and kidnap her out of nowhere is equally as confusing. Why were they driving around in the middle of the woods at night? What's the point of rescuing people if you're going to act like assholes and allow people to deplete your resources? At least Terminus made sense since they wanted food.
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Now I'm not sure what someone who has her arm amputated and been in living hell would actually say in response to Beth's question but you could be right. It probably would not make sense to speak like that. I give that to you.

That and the wooden acting aside, everything else you complained about makes no sense at all and sounds more like failure on your part to catch/understand what the characters were saying. The doctor brought Beth down to show why *HE* could not escape and not why the group could not escape. This was framed very clearly by the show and I don't see how anyone, especially someone who is so critical of it, could have missed it.

He got Beth to do it because he obviously wanted to minimize the risk of people suspecting foul play from him. How is this even illogical? He took no chances and made use of the newcomer whom the group does not trust yet to do his dirty work so he comes out squeaky clean and maintains his privileged position in the community with little to no suspicion on him.

The guys were driving around in the woods because they had a "lead" on some guns. And it's pretty clear that they are selectively resucing people so they can enslave them for their own purposes. Noah was made to do the chores whereas Gorman wanted Beth for sex. Again, all these were made very clear during the episode and I have no idea how you even missed them.

Maybe instead of questioning the judgment of peope who enjoy the show, you should question your own judgment instead lol.
 
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Speaking of own judgements, was I wrong in guessing that Beth brought the scalpel to stab the new patient? If the doctors logic was right, that she could be replaced as well, then she wouldn't want anyone coming in and replacing her
 
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Diablos

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It wasn't that bad of an ep, people. Beth's acting isn't that much worse than a lot of other people you see on the show. Abraham sounds like a wannabe redneck Wolverine if you close your eyes sometimes.

I do think they're milking the season clock a bit, sure. But all in all it was a solid episode showing what else is happening in a world overtaken by zombies.

Not sure if continuing to devote entire episodes to different groups is the best idea, though. It does, again, buy a lot of time.

The lady cop actress and myself are almost the same age.
 
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Sibylus

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Sometimes I feel like I live in an alternate reality to be enjoying TWD as much as I do. Hell, I loved Season 2 and Hershel's farm >-> (though I admit Shane and Hershel carried the hell out of it)

inthrall said:
Speaking of own judgements, was I wrong in guessing that Beth brought the scalpel to stab the new patient? If the doctors logic was right, that she could be replaced as well, then she wouldn't want anyone coming in and replacing her
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Wanted revenge for being manipulated into killing for him. Can't do it if she needs him to save Carol.
 
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Lothar

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Did we ever figure out why Dawn slapped Beth?

Edit: I also liked Hershel's farm. Shane was a more interesting character than the entire cast right now.
 
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Jest Chillin

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Lothar said:
Did we ever figure out why Dawn slapped Beth?
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The first time was because Beth was "claimed" by the Doctor. Dawn couldn't hurt the Doctor because she needs him, so she slapped Beth instead. The part about Beth being claimed by the Doctor was insinuated when he was talking to the Rapist Cop. Rapist Cop said, "She should've been mine," referring to Beth.
 
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Bethisode had so many issues. One of them was pacing. The first three episodes this season were fast, got things settled quick. This was glacial in a way that suggested it wasn't even part of the same show. Didn't help that it was a splinter story with one of the worst characters on the show trying to anchor the whole thing herself. When they went with action it felt either forced or comical (the auto aim head shots).

Edit: there are few characters who would be interesting in a stand alone episode like this. Beth isn't one of them.
 
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Apoc29

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Beth wasn't injured the last time we saw her (at least I don't remember so) and yet she woke up in a hospital not knowing what was going on which means they either drugged her or knocked her out. Were they just counting on her losing her memory or were they going to force her into slavery anyway? We know they were lying about finding her in a ditch because those hearses were parked right outside.
 
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Apoc29 said:
Beth wasn't injured the last time we saw her (at least I don't remember so) and yet she woke up in a hospital not knowing what was going on which means they either drugged her or knocked her out. Were they just counting on her losing her memory or were they going to force her into slavery anyway? We know they were lying about finding her in a ditch because those hearses were parked right outside.
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She said the last thing she remembered was fighting a Walker and then blackness. So they likely knocked her unconscious from behind. So even if her memory conflicts with their story, she's no proof that their story is a lie. Even if she didn't believe their story in the slightest, there's nothing she could do as they outnumber and out-arm her.
 
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inthrall said:
Speaking of own judgements, was I wrong in guessing that Beth brought the scalpel to stab the new patient? If the doctors logic was right, that she could be replaced as well, then she wouldn't want anyone coming in and replacing her
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Beth just exposed the doctor for being a coward, a manipulator, a murderer and a rape enabler. She was gonna whack him or take him hostage.

Or she could've been going after lady cop, considering that the cop just beat the shit out of her. Odd the lack of commentary on Beth with her face all jacked up....
 
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Jest Chillin said:
She said the last thing she remembered was fighting a Walker and then blackness. So they likely knocked her unconscious from behind. So even if her memory conflicts with their story, she's no proof that their story is a lie. Even if she didn't believe their story in the slightest, there's nothing she could do as they outnumber and out-arm her.
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Yeah, from Beth's perspective, there's nothing she could do really. I'm just pointing out that from the Hospital people's perspective, it seems like a super shitty plan. So many things could go wrong like knocking her out could cause permanent damage, or maybe she would remember what they did and rebel. Wouldn't it be simpler to just say "Hey, we saved you from those zombies. Come to our hospital where it's safe," and if she refused they could ditch her and she wouldn't be a problem. Wouldn't make for good TV I guess.
 
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Apoc29 said:
Yeah, from Beth's perspective, there's nothing she could do really. I'm just pointing out that from the Hospital people's perspective, it seems like a super shitty plan. So many things could go wrong like knocking her out could cause permanent damage, or maybe she would remember what they did and rebel. Wouldn't it be simpler to just say "Hey, we saved you from those zombies. Come to our hospital where it's safe," and if she refused they could ditch her and she wouldn't be a problem. Wouldn't make for good TV I guess.
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Part of that was explained by Chris (Noah). They tended to pick the people they viewed as "weak" to be indentured servants. It's reinforced by Rapist Cop thinking he could manipulate and victimize Beth and Dawn straight up saying she thought Beth was a weak and useless person. It doesn't make all that much sense to me, seeing as anyone who was surviving alone (remember they were unaware of Daryl), outside of a community after all that time should be assumed as no one to trifle with but like you said, TV gonna TV.
 
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I don't know why this had to be some kind of growing episode for Beth. It's been three seasons since she was introduced, she should have hardened the fuck up already. At least she's showing signs in that last couple minutes of being like TLoU Ellie/Season 2 Clementine.
 
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Lothar

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Jest Chillin said:
The first time was because Beth was "claimed" by the Doctor. Dawn couldn't hurt the Doctor because she needs him, so she slapped Beth instead. The part about Beth being claimed by the Doctor was insinuated when he was talking to the Rapist Cop. Rapist Cop said, "She should've been mine," referring to Beth.
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If slapping Beth is something that bothers the doctor, couldn't he just refuse to do what she wanted him to do for that reason? Or leave? It doesn't look like he's in a position to do either. He's so scared of the zombies outside. He's not going anywhere.

Couldn't she force him to do work by threatening him?
 
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Lothar said:
If slapping Beth is something that bothers the doctor, couldn't he just refuse to do what she wanted him to do for that reason? Or leave? It doesn't look like he's in a position to do either. He's so scared of the zombies outside. He's not going anywhere.

Couldn't she force him to do work by threatening him?
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Not really, no. I mean, they could beat him and might have previously but they couldn't beat him badly as they need him since he's the only Doctor. They also can't threaten to kick him out or kill him because he knows they need him. That's why he killed the Oncologist. To preserve his safety. He still doesn't want to test the limits too much though, which is why he has Beth kill the man instead.
 
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Lothar said:
If slapping Beth is something that bothers the doctor, couldn't he just refuse to do what she wanted him to do for that reason? Or leave? It doesn't look like he's in a position to do either. He's so scared of the zombies outside. He's not going anywhere.

Couldn't she force him to do work by threatening him?
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But they can't really do anything to him since he's the only doctor. If Dawn or the other officers get hurt, he's their only chance. That's why she really wanted that other doctor to live, so she didn't have to be so beholden to him.
 
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Lothar

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Jest Chillin said:
Not really, no. I mean, they could beat him and might have previously but they couldn't beat him badly as they need him since he's the only Doctor. They also can't threaten to kick him out or kill him because he knows they need him. That's why he killed the Oncologist. To preserve his safety. He still doesn't want to test the limits too much though, which is why he has Beth kill the man instead.
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So if she slapped him instead of Beth, what would he have done differently? He wouldn't have left. He wouldn't have refused to do work because as you said, he doesn't really want to test his limits.
 
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Lothar said:
So if she slapped him instead of Beth, what would he have done differently? He wouldn't have left. He wouldn't have refused to do work because as you said, he doesn't really want to test his limits.
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It doesn't have the same effect though. Because the pain of the slap wasn't the intent. It was a threat to Beth. It was "do as I say or she'll suffer for your refusal."
 
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RatskyWatsky

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SuperStiltzkin said:
I don't know why this had to be some kind of growing episode for Beth. It's been three seasons since she was introduced, she should have hardened the fuck up already.
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She hasn't really had to harden up like the other characters have. She's like Eugene in that way - she's been protected by stronger people this whole time, primarily taking care of the baby and staying inside and away from danger. It wasn't until after the prison was destroyed that she had to start learning how to survive on her own (well, with Daryl) and just a few days after that she was captured by Dawn's people.
 
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Buddha Beam

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Won said:
Episode felt undercooked. Like they didn't want to spend any money on sets or some more extras. Or some more time in the writing room to develop some actual characters.
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Every time this show introduces new characters people say this. Every. Time.

It's only been one episode, kids. You don't see new character development in one episode of anything unless they literally devote an entire episode to said new character.

The new characters are one dimensional because they're just trying to give us viewers enough to form an opinion of them. The actual character development comes after the introduction. Creative Writing 101 here.

Beth had character development. Not a lot but some and you can see the time she spent with Darrell bearing fruit here.

It might not have been the best episode of the series but it was a far cry from being bad, furthermore one of the worst.
 
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Apoc29 said:
Beth wasn't injured the last time we saw her (at least I don't remember so) and yet she woke up in a hospital not knowing what was going on which means they either drugged her or knocked her out. Were they just counting on her losing her memory or were they going to force her into slavery anyway? We know they were lying about finding her in a ditch because those hearses were parked right outside.
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I kinda thought at the end Beth was faking her memory loss and just being savvy.
 
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JoeNut

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Reading the negative comments make me think "wtf do you guys want?"
unless there are X amount of zombies killed with Y amount of twists people aren't happy with anything.
I thought it was a really good contrast from the first couple episodes which were really fast paced and action based, and a great way to break up the story so that we're not constantly with the same people in the same setting.

Honestly i don't get the mind set of you guys saying it's a boring episode, go watch the expendables or something.
 
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PopeReal said:
I am guessiing a lot of people don't watch the next week preview a the end of the show? Next week is team Abraham.
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Sigh...so they really went through with the multiple storyline this season. Not sure if I like this. But then again, it's kinda refreshing.
 
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Konka

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kurahador said:
Sigh...so they really went through with the multiple storyline this season. Not sure if I like this. But then again, it's kinda refreshing.
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How are they supposed to please anyone with these kinds of attitudes?

"Sigh, not sure if I like this. But it's also kinda refreshing."

So wishy-washy.
 
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JoeNut

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Effnine said:
Not gonna lie, I fell asleep a few times during the episode ... overall it was OK ... I felt it got better toward the end, but it was just kind of confusing and disjointed for much of the episode ... I don't know, I still like the series and all, just wasn't thrilled with last night's offering ...
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Ok.
 
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kurahador

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Konka said:
How are they supposed to please anyone with these kinds of attitudes?

"Sigh, not sure if I like this. But it's also kinda refreshing."

So wishy-washy.
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Well...last season builds up towards them meeting each other and little bit of Abraham going to DC.
What they did now basically destroys that momentum.

Now it's character developments all over again with overlaps.
 
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.GqueB.

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Glad to see I wasn't the only person confused by this episode. I was a bit distracted because I was checking fantasy scores but it just seemed very hard to follow overall.

Gotta say, I didn't quite get the ending. I didn't catch the part where Beth and that fellow developed a bond where she'd be happy that he douched out and left her behind like that.
 
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Diablos

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.GqueB. said:
Glad to see I wasn't the only person confused by this episode. I was a bit distracted because I was checking fantasy scores but it just seemed very hard to follow overall.

Gotta say, I didn't quite get the ending. I didn't catch the part where Beth and that fellow developed a bond where she'd be happy that he douched out and left her behind like that.
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He didn't have a choice, unless he wanted to surrender to those loons again. That's why she smiled at him; she was happy he could at least escape...

Why is this so hard to understand -_-
 
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Kinyou

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block tower said:
ok just finished the episode, and i have a quick question; if Beth had a gun why wouldnt she just shoot the officers in the hospital or lure them outside and then shoot them?? made absolutely no sense why she was able to be captured again after getting outside with Chris Rock. this episode was a waste. also i find it bizarre that Beth refuses to mention any of the events from the farm or prison, this whole quite and scared thing she did in this episode was frustrating to watch. she went from mildly strong character to completely week character overnight. its like watching Tyrese's twin. at least it wasnt filled with Herschel flashbacks or random crying.
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I think Beth didn't really consider them as evil (The rapist guy aside) and just wanted to get out of there. Murdering half of them would have been a bit hardcore.
 
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