TheBryanJZX90
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Man I wish I had seen that fucking spoiler so I would have been warned ahead of time how fucking lame this cliffhanger would be.
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The Walking Dead Season 6, Part 2 Sundays on AMC
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Man I wish I had seen that fucking spoiler so I would have been warned ahead of time how fucking lame this cliffhanger would be.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Yeah, the ending was a cop out. A really poor decision on Gimple's part. I assume that the writers are planning to kill the character whose death will have the least amount of impact (probably Aaron lol), but if the backlash is big enough, hopefully they'll pick someone more important.
Outside of that, though, I thought the episode was pretty good overall - very tense throughout. I really liked seeing The Saviors toying with Rick and Co. on the road, with all the traps (cutting off a piece of Michonne's hair and sticking in on a zombie? What!) and dead ends and whatnot. And the whistling! All of that stuff was very well done and legit creepy.
Also, I'm glad that Morgan leveled up and that Carol survived to see yet another season! And the (comic spoiler)
guys in armor looked very cool. 
Yeah, that was pretty sweet!
lol
Next year. They're doing 10 episodes this time so it's taking longer to film.
What does that have to do with the comics?
Mhm. I was initially mad for about 30 seconds and then I remembered all the incredible shows on TV that will be airing in the coming days, weeks, and months - old shows that are and new shows that will be better than The Walking Dead ever was. If this is your main show that you look forward to, then I'm sure tonight's finale was quite a blow, but for TV fanatics like me, today is just another Sunday.
Outside of that, though, I thought the episode was pretty good overall - very tense throughout. I really liked seeing The Saviors toying with Rick and Co. on the road, with all the traps (cutting off a piece of Michonne's hair and sticking in on a zombie? What!) and dead ends and whatnot. And the whistling! All of that stuff was very well done and legit creepy.
Also, I'm glad that Morgan leveled up and that Carol survived to see yet another season! And the (comic spoiler)
Kingdom
Yeah, that was pretty sweet!
lol
Next year. They're doing 10 episodes this time so it's taking longer to film.
What does that have to do with the comics?
Mhm. I was initially mad for about 30 seconds and then I remembered all the incredible shows on TV that will be airing in the coming days, weeks, and months - old shows that are and new shows that will be better than The Walking Dead ever was. If this is your main show that you look forward to, then I'm sure tonight's finale was quite a blow, but for TV fanatics like me, today is just another Sunday.
Kirkman stated he was introduced in Issue 100 on Talking Dead.
The Compendium books (read: Hardcover and not the new one that has like the first 100? issues?) goes up to Book 9 or so. I dunno the individual "Trade" paperback ones because those are like 20-50+ now.
Note that issue 9 of the compendium goes past Issue 100 to like 106 or so. So if you're reading the comics up to where the show is, you'll jump WAY past it if you read compendium 9 right now and not stop at compendium 8 (which stops at issue 86 or so).
Netflix is just as shit as tv is. If not more so in my opinion. There is a reason they don't release ratings of their shows and it's not the reason they give. None of them are really that great. Never been hooked by a single one and I've tried them all. Mediocre by and large. Nothing touches black sails, power, game of thrones, walking dead, the wire, Vikings, just off the top of my head.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
I wouldn't recommend jumping into the comics where the show just left off. The broad strokes are the same but most of the character stuff (the surviving/dead characters, not to mention their personalities, are pretty different). The comics are a super easy read though so you could easily just start at the beginning and work your way through in no time.
brickarts295
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6 months is a crazy amount of time to wait for the reveal of got the bat.
The only saving grace will be the comic con trailer which will be in 3 months. Unless they keep it short, we at least get to see who "sort of" lives, of course they can always just trick us with BS flashbacks.
The only saving grace will be the comic con trailer which will be in 3 months. Unless they keep it short, we at least get to see who "sort of" lives, of course they can always just trick us with BS flashbacks.
I'm totally glad I read it.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Netflix releases every episode in a season at once, not series. If The Walking Dead aired on Netflix, we'd have to wait a full year to get the reveal instead of just 6 months.
What I want to see next season is a Negan focused episode (READ: NOT DURING THE OPENING. Don't drag this shit out goddamn it, show who got killed off) that shows how he got the army he did now. The governor could've been this sort of deal, but he didn't have that sheer brutality. I want to know how Negan went from 1 person (him) to 50+ people with just his brand of fear. Surely the numbers from 1 weren't in his favor at that time.
No way they risk showing a trailer at 'Con this year. Game of Thrones panel was barren and trailer less last year because of who "died" in the previous season.
The point flew completely over your head. Woooosh! Listing a bunch of shows you like more than netflix shows has nothing to do with the point im making that instant on-demand content trumps the bullshit model we have now where everything is drawn out to last forever and still not satisfy. If every season of WD was delivered as a whole with the same wait time between seasons, i guarantee you the consensus would be far more positive. Everyone making excuses that having to wait a week adds to the 'atmosphere' or whatever crap is the definition of denial.
Yes, because unlike the characters, I'm not dumb. Doesn't change the fact that literally all of Negan's 'i invested a lot in today' boils down to some grade a bullshit he couldn't have possibly known about or had control over.
TimeEffect
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Such a garbage way to end it. It's not even fun. It's just a big "fuck you"
Totally killed the tension.
Totally killed the tension.
brickarts295
Member
Well I guess they can always just make a Negan trailer.
We'll get our resolution but it won't have any emotional impact any longer. That's the problem. It could have been a huge TV moment like the type GoT has, but the idiots ruined it. And actually we'll get our resolution far earlier than that. There will be leaks. Even if there aren't, the next season will have previews. It'll have to show some of these characters doing something and not getting killed, wouldn't it?
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
I mean, yeah. That too. The Walking Dead season 6 pt 1 thread is 91 pages of reactions and speculation and this thread is at 90 right now. The biggest Netflix show for GAF is probably Daredevil, and the season 2 thread of that is only at 26 pages for the main OT and 14 for the spoiler thread. It's nice to be able to binge a new season of TV, but it also pretty much kills most of the discussion and community that weekly TV fosters.
SneakersSO
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If Gimple feels that the scene was not about the character who dies, it was about Rick, and thats why he feels it isn't a cliffhanger, then here's my question for Mr. Gimple - why didn't you give us a reaction shot of Rick as the beating occurred? Heck, why didn't the entire beating occur with us focused squarely on Rick & his reaction to it? Oh thats right, cause you're selling a cliffhanger.
Here's what Gimple doesn't realize about that scene, or at least he won't admit to it least his AMC overlords who love creating moments to sell premium ad slots won't allow him to admit to - The Lucille scene, both in the comics & ESPECIALLY on the show, is mostly about the audience. Its about breaking the audience's sense of safety and comfort. Thats why its so visceral. Thats why it was done to a character who was considered untouchable by many.
An arc like Alexandria was always going to create a sense of security for the characters & for the audience. This is actually a huge change of pace for the show TWD & the comic TWD, which at that point had enjoyed regularly offing cast members, typically at the end of a long build-up. But Alexandria meant security, comfort, safety. High walls that allowed the cast that had made it up to that point to breathe. To see them in situations they are very much no longer accustomed to. In the comic, we see the cast wrestle with the idea that life could somehow return to some form of pre-breakout normalcy, with dinner parties & potlucks and the like. The show emulated this to an extent, although this season replaced the sense of security we had within Alexandria for our cast members, with the sense of security the 'soldiers' of the show represented for the town. They were untouchable, they came out of dire circumstances unscathed while other Alexandrians were not so lucky. That feed right into Rick's hubris. That he & his crew were prepared for absolutely anything.
Thats why the Negan scene is an absolute master-class moment. It's a reality check, and both the characters & the audience get to feel it at the same time. You think the scene would've had the same amount of impact had they just cut to black & not shown you who got it in the comic? No. They showed us every visceral, obscene, gory detail of the execution. It was meant to rattle the audience. Not showing you this moment, and cutting it in half, removes all of the tension & build-up. It's gone. When they do show us the death scene, it won't even matter anymore.
Personally, this is it for me & the show. It's more than just because they pulled a cliffhanger, even though a cliffhanger is already a pretty big insult to me as an audience member as is. It's because, for me, the purposeful sullying of this moment represents them choosing the potential to grow the popularity & social presence, and in effect the value of their ad slots, at the cost of telling the best story they possibly can. TWD is a show that has always had to wrestle with its budget to a degree. Fine, I get that - but we're talking about the most popular show on TV right now. The carrot for next season isn't necessary - people were going to tune in by the boat load regardless.
Here's what Gimple doesn't realize about that scene, or at least he won't admit to it least his AMC overlords who love creating moments to sell premium ad slots won't allow him to admit to - The Lucille scene, both in the comics & ESPECIALLY on the show, is mostly about the audience. Its about breaking the audience's sense of safety and comfort. Thats why its so visceral. Thats why it was done to a character who was considered untouchable by many.
An arc like Alexandria was always going to create a sense of security for the characters & for the audience. This is actually a huge change of pace for the show TWD & the comic TWD, which at that point had enjoyed regularly offing cast members, typically at the end of a long build-up. But Alexandria meant security, comfort, safety. High walls that allowed the cast that had made it up to that point to breathe. To see them in situations they are very much no longer accustomed to. In the comic, we see the cast wrestle with the idea that life could somehow return to some form of pre-breakout normalcy, with dinner parties & potlucks and the like. The show emulated this to an extent, although this season replaced the sense of security we had within Alexandria for our cast members, with the sense of security the 'soldiers' of the show represented for the town. They were untouchable, they came out of dire circumstances unscathed while other Alexandrians were not so lucky. That feed right into Rick's hubris. That he & his crew were prepared for absolutely anything.
Thats why the Negan scene is an absolute master-class moment. It's a reality check, and both the characters & the audience get to feel it at the same time. You think the scene would've had the same amount of impact had they just cut to black & not shown you who got it in the comic? No. They showed us every visceral, obscene, gory detail of the execution. It was meant to rattle the audience. Not showing you this moment, and cutting it in half, removes all of the tension & build-up. It's gone. When they do show us the death scene, it won't even matter anymore.
Personally, this is it for me & the show. It's more than just because they pulled a cliffhanger, even though a cliffhanger is already a pretty big insult to me as an audience member as is. It's because, for me, the purposeful sullying of this moment represents them choosing the potential to grow the popularity & social presence, and in effect the value of their ad slots, at the cost of telling the best story they possibly can. TWD is a show that has always had to wrestle with its budget to a degree. Fine, I get that - but we're talking about the most popular show on TV right now. The carrot for next season isn't necessary - people were going to tune in by the boat load regardless.
Link
The Autumn Wind
This is the worst part of it. There's no way it won't be spoiled somehow way before the premiere ever airs. Whether it be from leaks or casting news. Just dumb all around.
TimeEffect
Member
Yeah, it wasn't just that the cliffhanger was bad, it was incredibly awful that they did some shitty blood effect.
Absolutely no guts or talent to show the actual death. This is not what Grade A TV shows do. This is shitty, low grade cheap tactics to create suspense. Like shit, you would have had just as many people watching next season and talking about the show if you just showed the damn thing.
Instead you ruin the entire scene.
Absolutely no guts or talent to show the actual death. This is not what Grade A TV shows do. This is shitty, low grade cheap tactics to create suspense. Like shit, you would have had just as many people watching next season and talking about the show if you just showed the damn thing.
Instead you ruin the entire scene.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
(meanwhile House of Cards will be going into its fifth season and Orange is the New Black was renewed up through season 7)
killer rin
Member
Yeah, that cliffhanger was absolutely pathetic. They don't have the balls to just kill somebody and leave on a proper cliffhanger
xaosslug
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LMAO @ peeps thinking Carol would get it this season... XD
i'm guessing it's either firecrotch or mullet that get beat to death... I can only assume they would not do that to a female, kid, asian, gay, or black character because the backlash from a symbolic mental/visual standpoint would be insane, imo. And Daryl & Rick are basically immune. So, that leaves the other 2... ¯\_(ツ_/¯
i'm guessing it's either firecrotch or mullet that get beat to death... I can only assume they would not do that to a female, kid, asian, gay, or black character because the backlash from a symbolic mental/visual standpoint would be insane, imo. And Daryl & Rick are basically immune. So, that leaves the other 2... ¯\_(ツ
_/¯Hidden One
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I saw a Youtube comment that linked leaked audio from a few days ago and it seems like AMC changed the ending audio a bit so you can't make out whats being heard on the episode that aired.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Ever since season 3, almost on a weekly basis, people have been like, "oh shit they're gonna kill Carol now! dat foreshadowing!" and yet she's survived for 7 seasons now.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Don't be ridiculous. It's not like there's an HBO show out there that did exactly that and is swimming in an ocean of cash. Those kinds of moves just don't work out. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Leave it to TWD to finally have really a perfect scene that is tense, well acted and has the audience truly on the edge of their seats only to ruin it by that cliffhanger.
I don't give a fuck what Gimple of or any of the suits say. There is no reasoning to justify that bullshit ending.
I'm going to watch next season, but it's just another example of why I can't take this show seriously like I did with Breaking Bad and do with Better Call Saul/Game of Thrones
I don't give a fuck what Gimple of or any of the suits say. There is no reasoning to justify that bullshit ending.
I'm going to watch next season, but it's just another example of why I can't take this show seriously like I did with Breaking Bad and do with Better Call Saul/Game of Thrones
Mass Appeal
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Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Orange is the New Black, and House of Cards are all very good shows and better then a lot of what's on regular or premium cable these days.
Edit: TWD is a decent show but it doesn't touch the comics imo. That stupid cliffhanger ending just proves it.
Hopefully the writers will show up to conventions this summer and let fans take swings with Nerf bats for donations to charity. TWD can cure all disease. I love the books but man this show is absolutely brutal to watch. I can't believe I stayed up this late for this and now i'm pissed off and wide awake.
Soyongdori
Member
At least they fucking nailed it with JDM as Negan.
So much better villain than that clown the govna already.
So much better villain than that clown the govna already.
did they ever explain why they sprayed that dude?
It seemed to not make any sense, but I wonder if I just missed something.
Do the writers actually think people will spend the next 6 months on the edge of their seat wondering and trying to figure who was the one that got killed? Nobody gives a shit. The episode would be so much more effective had they shown the person being killed and the group reacting to it and then end it. Jesus.
They sprayed him with an X, he was the guy that was hung from the overpass during the burning roadblock scene. It was to show Rick and his people that they were basically everywhere.
Zomba13
Member
The cliffhanger is super lame but expected. It's TV and you gotta keep people coming back so you string out things and have mid season finales and shit like that.
Ricks actor was on point. That horror and defeat.
Minor complaint, I think people should look at the OP again and learn to tag (EDIT: meant tag as in label, not tag with
Ricks actor was on point. That horror and defeat.
Minor complaint, I think people should look at the OP again and learn to tag (EDIT: meant tag as in label, not tag with
. like (Comic spoiler) *the spoiler*) . their comic spoilers. I've read a few that were just all spoiler posts thinking people were just spoiling the episode or something but nope. Comic spoilers. GG guys.
LegendofDragoonLives
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There's hundreds of shows as good as JJ, which is a solid 7.5.
Kadin
Member
Actually a lot of people care about it. You can tell by the reactions. As Gimple pointed on Talking Dead, many, many great shows have used cliffhangers so this is nothing new. I'm not sure why everyone is so bent out of shape over stuff like this - it'll keep people talking about it for a while. Sure maybe not for 6 whole months but I'm okay with not knowing until the next season begins.
which seems bizarre, of course they recognized him. it seems like rick and co. would've gotten that message from the roadblocks and whatnot, but I guess the saviors are big on ceremony.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
WAIT WAIT WAIT
IS THAT THE ACTOR WHO PLAYS TREVOR IN GTA V IN THE OPENING ?
Episode redeemed !
IS THAT THE ACTOR WHO PLAYS TREVOR IN GTA V IN THE OPENING ?
Episode redeemed !
hey_monkey
Banned
They worried we wouldn't remember Random Guy X, so they literally made him Marked Guy X.
Don't worry, they'll find a way to squander it.
Sure, people will talk about it for a week or so. The bullshit is still fresh.
But once the first episode of season 7 starts and it skipped ahead a few weeks or months from the events in this finale and we find out that way, people will be like "oh it was him/her. ok...". It deflates the whole situation and possible impact. They dropped the ball hard.
More likely there will be leaks in a few months confirming who it was. Making the situation only even less impactful.
Not sure if I'm remembering wrong but after that they kind of showed various folks with the bat in there face. One of the last, IIRC, was michonne.
I'm half suspecting it's Daryl.
Many great shows have used cliffhangers and used them well, usually by actually earning it.
This isn't one of them
Kadin
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And you knew this before the next season revealed the other side of the cliffhanger? I'm going to guess 'no' would be the honest answer to just about every example you can think of.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
I wouldn't read too much into that. The way that scene was cut overall was sloppy. At one point Negan walks over to Daryl and in another angle of the same moment he's suddenly standing over Rick. They were several feet apart. And eugine was facing them then later he was in line. Made no sense, they clearly shot this multiple times/ways and just edited it roughy
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