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The Walking Dead Season 6, Part 2 Sundays on AMC
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Napoleonthechimp
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I don't think Rick fears anything at this point beyond his son dying. And his arrogance will be his downfall.
The Artisan
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well it was stupid of her to go out there in the fucking first place.
Of course. Just pointing out that even if you tried to justify it with the "survive at all cost" mindset, it still was amateur hour for everyone.
That to me, is the important part. It's just not Rick. Daryl and Gleen are just as experienced, and have gone against him in the past, when they felt the plan was not ok. Right now, they are just riding on him. Is Eugene with them? Would have expected him to provide some of his famous "strategic" advises at the very least.
Booker.DeWitt
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Rick is just not taking chances anymore, and he should not. After losing his wife, girlfriend, friends, and almost losing both kids, he just does not care about anything else but their own safety. I would probably behave the same if it was during apocalypse. You can't have conscious during times like that. Look what it did to CArol, she almost died and killed Maggie because of that.
you should follow a certain code, and that is it. not much time for back and forth. You go against my family or friends, you die. follow the code and rules, it will make your life easier.
he id not kill Jesus, for instance. He did not fit the code. he could have killed him, but he didn't. so he is not just a maniac, but if you screw up or threatens their safety/survival, you should die
you should follow a certain code, and that is it. not much time for back and forth. You go against my family or friends, you die. follow the code and rules, it will make your life easier.
he id not kill Jesus, for instance. He did not fit the code. he could have killed him, but he didn't. so he is not just a maniac, but if you screw up or threatens their safety/survival, you should die
Napoleonthechimp
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It'll be interesting to see people's opinions on these things after Negan's introduction, and even then maybe a few episodes into season 7.
Dunedain_Ranger
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Not true Gregory and the hilltop saw exactly who negan was when they said he killed the 16 year old. He could have been more specific too Rick. Rick jumped the gun which coincides with the point I made that his arrogance is getting the best of him.
Mad Season
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thats what it sounds like. kind of like "I'm Spartacus!"
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
The name of the group is the Saviors. It seems they run on an "I'm Spartacus" kind of mentality as far as Negan goes. I assume Negan is actually an individual person (I mean, we know this since they've been so loud about Jeffrey Dean Morgan being cast), but they are all Negan since they are all united in support of him.
speedwagon_
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Haven't watched the new episode yet.
can I get a general consensus on this latest episode? is it continuing the streak of good episodes?
can I get a general consensus on this latest episode? is it continuing the streak of good episodes?
I definitely think so yes.
speedwagon_
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Sweet, this has been really damn good so far. Thanks!
Dunedain_Ranger
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No Jesus already stated they call themselves the saviors . As someone stated above the I'm Spartacus diversion is what they seem to be doing
Feel like the first half of season 4 was solid, essentially correcting and redo-ing the Governor attacks the prison arc that season 3 botched. Then the end of season 4 and beginning of season 5 with Terminus was solid too. Back half of season 5 got uneven again and that carried over into the first half of season 6. It's kind of like the show goes in "waves" of being good. Like, the tide of good episodes comes in for awhile, then it recedes and gets kind of crappy again, and the tide is a bit unpredictable as to how long it will last and when it will come.
Future PhaZe
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The problem though is if you don't create a society where your willing to do the sort of things Rick group is doing in this environment, then the only alternative is being a nomadic force that tries to stay alive while avoiding any permanent settlements.
The latter didn't work very well--it was essentially Ricks group through the first few seasons. Trying to remain good while maintaining a settlement just results in you getting attacked by groups like the wolves or being a slave group like the hilltop.
Only solution is to make yours the top dog settlement and try to create a fair system of allied settlements. But you've got to clean through your enemies first.
The latter didn't work very well--it was essentially Ricks group through the first few seasons. Trying to remain good while maintaining a settlement just results in you getting attacked by groups like the wolves or being a slave group like the hilltop.
Only solution is to make yours the top dog settlement and try to create a fair system of allied settlements. But you've got to clean through your enemies first.
Funky Papa
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Yet another amazing episode in what it problably is TWD's longest winning streak. Characterising it as filler misses all the little but important details being thown around, such as Negan being incredibly militarised and holding significant control over a vast area going by their radio interactions (meaning that they are probably much more dangerous than the bunch of chodes killed at the outpost raided by Rick and the gang), and Maggie and Carol being scarily close to their respective breaking points.
It also gave us some of the best kills of the season and another reason to worship the land where Maggie and Carol step on. They played those fools like damn fiddle.
It also gave us some of the best kills of the season and another reason to worship the land where Maggie and Carol step on. They played those fools like damn fiddle.
Future PhaZe
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why would you not believe the word of jesus?
Funky Papa
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As far as I'm concerned, this is TWD's finest moment. The show has been fire since it returned.
Spikematic
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Carol is my favorite character by far right now. Glad she isn't a complete bloodthirsty killing machine and has moments of weakness. But then she steps up and boy does she step... that scene with the kill floor was glorious. This season has been the best so far IMO.
I've gotta say, I'm not sharing the same enthusiasm about this episode. The actress who played the main character in Negan's group who captured Carol and Maggie was GOD awful and had some of the worst line delivery I've ever seen on TV. The only decent actress out of the three main women was the one with the southern accent, IMO. The one interrogating Maggie was pretty bad and had some laughably forced "bitch" lines.
My other concern, which is more significant, is that Carol's return to her old self makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE and is completely out of left field. I thought she was faking everything when captured (which would have been awesome, classic Carol), but they'll have us believe she actually FELT that way? It really wasn't an act? How in God's name could she have felt ANYTHING for the woman who captured her? How could she even relate a little to someone who's basically taunting her and describing how weak she is?
Then the stupidest thing possible happens: Carol allows this person who captured her, poses a threat and is nothing but AWFUL to her to get within arms reach while she's holding a GUN? That could have cost Carol her life, and it makes absolutely no sense at all. It doesn't follow her character's progression as, only weeks before, she almost killed Morgan over this very dilemma (save or take lives to survive). I'm cool with her feeling remorse and exploring some of her feelings of guilt or regret, but this is NOT the way to go. There should have been more of a focus on Sam and how her decisions have an emotional impact.
But, drama right? People like drama and surprises so much (regardless of how sensical it may be) that I guess they'll just glaze over the fact that they're now fucking Carol's character up too.
The good news is that Maggie is evolving into a badass who gets the job done. They are killing to SURVIVE, not out of cold blood. Carol clearly had absolutely no problem doing MUCH WORSE THAN THIS many times before without batting an eye.
My other concern, which is more significant, is that Carol's return to her old self makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE and is completely out of left field. I thought she was faking everything when captured (which would have been awesome, classic Carol), but they'll have us believe she actually FELT that way? It really wasn't an act? How in God's name could she have felt ANYTHING for the woman who captured her? How could she even relate a little to someone who's basically taunting her and describing how weak she is?
Then the stupidest thing possible happens: Carol allows this person who captured her, poses a threat and is nothing but AWFUL to her to get within arms reach while she's holding a GUN? That could have cost Carol her life, and it makes absolutely no sense at all. It doesn't follow her character's progression as, only weeks before, she almost killed Morgan over this very dilemma (save or take lives to survive). I'm cool with her feeling remorse and exploring some of her feelings of guilt or regret, but this is NOT the way to go. There should have been more of a focus on Sam and how her decisions have an emotional impact.
But, drama right? People like drama and surprises so much (regardless of how sensical it may be) that I guess they'll just glaze over the fact that they're now fucking Carol's character up too.
The good news is that Maggie is evolving into a badass who gets the job done. They are killing to SURVIVE, not out of cold blood. Carol clearly had absolutely no problem doing MUCH WORSE THAN THIS many times before without batting an eye.
As I stated before, I may be a bit biased as we binged the first 4 seasons and have watched 5 and 6 live, but the last time I recall being really wowed was the prison assault episode with Herschel and the Governor`s deaths, whatever season that was.
eyeball_kid
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That's thinking like the Governor. I remember when Rick used to say to Morgan (and the Governor!), "You get to come back. We all do." Well, after this, I don't think Rick or any of them can come back. They crossed a line willingly, and they know it. The Governor knew that as well.
I think the saddest part is that Glenn crossed that line as well. You could tell it pained him. Glenn didn't even kill the guy that tried to kill him, and forced that girl to come back to Alexandria. Glenn or Carol should be the leader, not Rick, though while I still think Glenn is more human than Rick, he's started down the road to ruin as well.
That was the first half of season 4 and I agree that was another good run of episodes. Washed out the bad taste of the horrible season 3 ending.
Funky Papa
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I think she's smart enough to know what needs to be done, even if right now she can't quite stomach doing the deed by herself. She's no Morgan. I feel like she realizes that she's somewhat becoming too close to the Saviours to comfort, but she understands the situation even if she hates it.
The Artisan
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fuck, man =(
Funky Papa
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I'm kinda saddened Alicia Witt is a goner. She can play bad pretty damn good 
Also, Rick didn't need one second to cap that fool. His bloodlust is unstoppable.
Also, Rick didn't need one second to cap that fool. His bloodlust is unstoppable.
BlackGhost
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When Maggie and Carol meet the group and they say everyone's dead, I picture Rick feeling like a proud father at that moment.
Mangoverboard
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Not sure why people think Rick was harsh on killing that guy. They kept him alive for bargaining, he'd have been dead long before otherwise. He clearly wasn't giving them any info at all, he was playing that 'I am Negan' act. He had no use or purpose and was an enemy. He was also obviously worth little to the Saviours since it took them so long to decide to trade for him.
Can't let him go so killing him was the only course.
Show is great right now. Hope it keeps it up.
Can't let him go so killing him was the only course.
Show is great right now. Hope it keeps it up.
It makes complete sense for her to be struggling. Morgan got through to her with the whole you don't have to kill, not to mention she's feeling guilty over Sam and all the other people she had to kill. And Melissa McBride said on the talking dead it was an act and it wasn't at the same time. She doesn't want to have to kill and add more to her list but that doesn't mean she's not going to kill at all.
She relates to the red head because she was what Carol would be if she lost all her humanity. The red head talking about her life before and in a lot of ways it relates to how Carol was before it all started.
No half measures. Once you commit you've gotta go all in, regardless of if it was the right call or not.
Unless you learn new information that serves as motivation to quit..
Yeah, if that's really what happened and it was an act, it was directed badly. There's no way for the viewer to know she was playing them, considering she acted exactly the same way after everyone was killed (i.e. holding onto the cross, visibly shaken and afraid). So, she's suddenly taken up religion again? She's praying and hoping things will be the way they were before?
If Rick couldn't get through to her for killing at the prison in cold blood, how could some random person she knows for literally minutes all the sudden get through to her with one story? I can see Carol reflecting on her old life and feeling emotion, but outright putting herself into a situation where she could DIE is laughable.
No, this does NOT fit her character one bit. There's no reason she would ever put herself into such a vulnerable position, after everything she's been through.
Awful writing. Forced drama.
darkwing-buck
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We are all Rick.
Booker.DeWitt
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governor had not code. Rick has one. don't mess up with me, you don't get killed.
The main difference between Rick and the governor is that the gov enjoyed killing. He enjoyed taking his aggression out on others out of pure cruelty. Rick is trying to survive, but the governor often used that as an excuse to act on savage emotion.
Miles Quaritch
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Carol's actions felt weird this episode, not sure why they suddenly made her feel reflective/guilty about what she's done. Feels like it should have happened much sooner if htey were going to go this route. Maybe just after the massacre of Alexandria, which was almost entirely of her doing.
And Paula. Was she or one of her group the ones responsible for those pictures in the last episode?
And Paula. Was she or one of her group the ones responsible for those pictures in the last episode?
Yup, laughable character progression. But she shared a similar experience with the woman that described a similar life story in 30 seconds, so obviously Carol is going to become weak and vulnerable again and endanger her life and those around her, right?
More_Badass
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Rick has neared that line. Remember when he touched his gun when he saw Jessie and Pete walking together? When he told the Alexandrians he was ready to kill some of them? Or when he told Morgan he wanted to kill Carter because Carter was weak?
I don't see why people think Rick is becoming a monster with an insanely high bloodlust. Way I see it, he's doing what he needs to do to keep his group alive. If it means shooting a guy at point blank range, so be it.I'm kinda saddened Alicia Witt is a goner. She can play bad pretty damn good
Also, Rick didn't need one second to cap that fool. His bloodlust is unstoppable.
Pete was beating his wife and treating his family like shit, and as a former cop especially, I can understand those emotions. With the Alexandrian's, while his speech was a little over the top, he was basically explaining that certain people were going to die because they were weak and that the strong would eventually fight with them. He ultimately never even got close to killing people simply because of this.
He never attempted to kill someone out of pure cruelty. And, in Rick's position, I think it makes sense to think about crossing the line, but there's a major difference between thinking and committing.
Napoleonthechimp
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So the governor's code then.
Yeah, people seem to be forgetting some of the darker Rick moments.
The value that Rick attaches to human life seems to be ebbing, so committing to heinous actions is simply one justification away. Eventually he won't be able to turn it off.
-Pyromaniac-
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Rick has definitely had that crisis of conscience (talking dead word of the day) just like Carol is having now but I think he came out on the right side of the line. He will still do what is necessary but he won't kill or steal and all that just because he can. He will look for other options when possible. But he's very pragmatic. He's basically shane + the governor + humany + slightly less crazy. Or at least a different kind of crazy.
Rick is just a character that's over this shit lol. He had his psycho moments, his conflicting moments, his paranoia, his grief, etc...that guy has been on a complete roller coaster and now he's just over it. Bless him. Though I think there is still growth to be had. Comic/tv spoils:
I'm assuming morgan will eventually get to him. When rick gets the opportunity to cap the biggest villain they faced, instead he will imprison him.
I agree that some of the acting/directing was a bit peculiar. And also got confounded when Carol started hyperventilating and then sort of got eye teared and started to try appealing to the captor's feelings (ie. perhaps trying to giving them a chance?).
My mind said that she was faking it, but seeing Maggie react to it, sort of gave mixed messages. Ultimately, I arrived to the same conclusion: She was indeed doing her act, but was both really worried that her 'mistake' had put Maggie at risk, while at the same time finding out that she is in a spiral of destruction, in which seemingly, she just can't stop keep killing. She probably was just as surprised as us.
But the first part, didn't made sense to me. How killing that guy would have prevented them to become prisoners? The Saviors seem to have come from different directions, meaning that Maggie was at risk, no matter what. Pretty odd.
My mind said that she was faking it, but seeing Maggie react to it, sort of gave mixed messages. Ultimately, I arrived to the same conclusion: She was indeed doing her act, but was both really worried that her 'mistake' had put Maggie at risk, while at the same time finding out that she is in a spiral of destruction, in which seemingly, she just can't stop keep killing. She probably was just as surprised as us.
But the first part, didn't made sense to me. How killing that guy would have prevented them to become prisoners? The Saviors seem to have come from different directions, meaning that Maggie was at risk, no matter what. Pretty odd.
No. Rick thought a lot of dark thoughts but never committed to them. Ultimately, though, he never wanted to torture or kill anyone out of savage cruelty, which definitely separates him from the governor.
Funky Papa
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He didn't bother checking with Maggie/Carol for sitrep nor took a minute to extract valuable information. He just heard what he wanted to hear ("I'm Negan") and popped him then and there. No strategical thinking whatsoever, just like when they raided the Saviour's outpost without any advanced planning. Governor-era Rick would have surveiled the place with scouts for a couple of days before going ninja.
He's keeping it way too real for his own good.
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