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1/4 Wrasslin' thread of Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan, and the new Monday Night Wars (lol)

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bjork

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Jordan was the champ in that Italy fed that Rikishi was running.

Maybe Hogan hauled him in since Jordan worked a match with Warrior, so they can have Warrior/Jordan in The Match That Nobody Asked For, Part II?
 
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Penguin

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Hey look, a screwjob... someone saying going to another company... and spitting in someone's face.

Wonder if words gonna get out that Angle decked Hogan in the locker room.
 
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British Monsoon

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jecclr2003 said:
You know, for the longest time I though Saggs was dead. Now, I'm kinda wishing he (as well as Knobbs) actually were!
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While not quite willing to wish death upon Saggs and Knobs, I was perfectly happy with the idea that i'd never hear their names again until the day they died, same goes for Hall.
 
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What the fuck did I just watch?

You can't redo the screwjob. It worked because it was real. It worked because itwas fresh. It worked because it was never resolved for 12 years.

Nice to sees WWE/Vince said on the show though.
 
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dskillzhtown

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Penguin said:
Hey look, a screwjob... someone saying going to another company... and spitting in someone's face.

Wonder if words gonna get out that Angle decked Hogan in the locker room.
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That was so stupid. I guess Hogan thinks this will bring in ratings. So transparent.

TNA keeps trying to say they are so different, but they keep being WWE-lite.


Atleast Pride is on.
 
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dskillzhtown said:
That was so stupid. I guess Hogan thinks this will bring in ratings. So transparent.

TNA keeps trying to say they are so different, but they keep being WWE-lite.
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That is how you end the show. Are you fucking kidding me?

That fucking screamed Russo
 
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avatar299 said:
That is how you end the show. Are you fucking kidding me?

That fucking screamed Russo
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lol Russo has little-to-no input in storylines right now. All he does is takes Hogan/Bischoff/Jarrett/Dixie/Etc.'s ideas and puts them in onto script...
 
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And the IWC's reactions are hillarious. The only things I would say were bad about this episode of Impact was The Nasty Boys (although Saggs seems to still have it somewhat but Knobbs looked pathetic), AJ Styles' promo (seemed too forced and unnatural), and Orlando Jordan going over The Pope (although it looked like it was more to do with the damage Wolfe inflicted than OJ himself).
 
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avatar299

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the_geche said:
lol Russo has little-to-no input in storylines right now. All he does is takes Hogan/Bischoff/Jarrett/Dixie/Etc.'s ideas and puts them in onto script...
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I used to think so but Im not sure anymore. So much of this screamed Russo, especially the backstage politics and the short matches.

I wouldn't be suprised if Hogan is booking but Russo is still writing.
 
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the_geche

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avatar299 said:
I used to think so but Im not sure anymore. So much of this screamed Russo, especially the backstage politics and the short matches.

I wouldn't be suprised if Hogan is booking but Russo is still writing.
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Well Russo had full control from the period of Jeff Jarrett's exodus until right before the 1/4 show (which was IMO the best TNA has ever been).
 
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thefro

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Really good show... the "Orlando screwjob" stuff is heading in an interesting direction based on the spoilers that isn't a straight rip of the Montreal screwjob.
 
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the_geche said:
Well Russo had full control from the period of Jeff Jarrett's exodus until right before the 1/4 show (which was IMO the best TNA has ever been).
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There were still booking issues then. I think that period worked because Vince was moving pieces in place, and that meant ending the mafia and pushing guys like AJ and Daniels. Recieving a guy like Nigel helped as well.

It was more straight wrestling booking and less writing. Russo is writing again and it shows.
 
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radcliff

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thefro said:
Really good show... the "Orlando screwjob" stuff is heading in an interesting direction based on the spoilers that isn't a straight rip of the Montreal screwjob.
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Well, its not like they were going to have Angle leave TNA and return 12 years later.
 
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cartoon_soldier

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Now not only they have all WWE Rejects and Ex-WWE wrestlers, they are also going with ex-WWE storylines!!

Only, nobody will ever be able to pull off a Vince McMahon character.
 
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You guys complain way too much. You know what just happened?
They got me to watch. I havent watched this much wrestling in years. I watched Jan 4. I even bought my first PPV in 5-7 years. And I watched Impact last night.

So they won. Why? They pulled in a viewer who is not a regular anymore.
 
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You guys don't complain enough. You know what just happened?
They got me to tune out. I have been watching wrestling for years and this shit is insulting to the fans intelligence. I watched Jan 4. I even watched their PPV and I watched Impact last night.

So they lost. Why? They ran off a viewer who has been following TNA for years and if it wasn't for the chance to see a brief glimpse of some of the best up and coming young wrestlers in the business amid the shitstorm of old washed up hacks clawing for the limelight and taking up valuable spots better used elsewhere, I could safely say i'd be done with TNA for good.
 
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Net_Wrecker

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Bootaaay said:
You guys don't complain enough. You know what just happened?
They got me to tune out. I have been watching wrestling for years and this shit is insulting to the fans intelligence. I watched Jan 4. I even watched their PPV and I watched Impact last night.

So they lost. Why? They ran off a viewer who has been following TNA for years and if it wasn't for the chance to see a brief glimpse of some of the best up and coming young wrestlers in the business amid the shitstorm of old washed up hacks clawing for the limelight and taking up valuable spots better used elsewhere, I could safely say i'd be done with TNA for good.
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OH SNAPZ.

Really though, TNA is making all the wrong moves right now IMO. I'll keep watching in hopes that they turn it around, but the Orlando Screwjob was not the way to go.
 
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British Monsoon

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ROH Newswire 01/22;

- ROH is full steam ahead toward Los Angeles and our SoCal debut as part of the WrestleReunion 4 convention next weekend in the City of Angels! The huge 8-Man Tag Team main event is worth the price of admission alone as it marks the first time that the Kings of Wrestling will step in the ring with the Briscoes after raining on their championship parade at Final Battle! Don’t forget that the American Wolves also have their sights set on the champs, and the match also marks the final ROH appearance of the Young Bucks for some time! That great match plus Austin Aries versus the legendary Jushin “Thunder” Liger?! The full card for our huge debut is listed at http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/article.aspx?id=2948! If you’re anywhere near Los Angeles, be there to witness it all! Check out www.wrestlereunion.com for ticket information.

- Huge ROH on HDNet news broke earlier in the week when ROH officials announced the formation of the ROH World Television Championship (http://rohwrestling.com/news/article.aspx?id=3193). On February 5th in Philadelphia at the Arena, eight men will begin battle to be crowned the inaugural titleholder. The tournament will unfold over February 5th and 6th until a winner is crowned, all as part of the next set of ROH on HDNet National Television tapings. Officials are nearly completed with seeding the entries to create the first round matchups. We’re happy to announce the first four seeds in the bracket: (8) Rhett Titus, (7) El Generico, (6) Eddie Edwards and (5) Delirious. We will have the top four seeds and the complete first round tournament matchups next week in the ‘Wire.

- “The Big Bang!” explodes as Ring of Honor debuts in the Carolinas on April 3, 2010 at the Grady Cole Center in Charlotte, and we’re proud to announce a working relationship with Ruben Zamora of Masked Republic. Zamora’s extensive history with the stars of Lucha Libre has proven a valuable commodity to many on the American pro wrestling scene, and it is this partnership that will being many freelance stars of the Lucha world to Charlotte in April. The legendary Blue Demon, Jr. has already been announced, and we’re proud to announce that the “La Reina del Ring”, “El Exotico” Cassandro will also be on hand for “The Big Bang”! Cassandro has dazzled audiences all over the globe with his one-of-a-kind stylings, and he will bring that and more to ROH! What will the “Queen of the Ring” unleash on the Queen City? Tickets go on sale for this huge event on February 15th! For more, visit http://rohwrestling.com/news/Article.aspx?id=3191

- Don't miss your chance to Take 35-40 Off Your Order at ROHWrestling.com THIS WEEKEND ONLY. Save on DVD's, live event tickets, apparel, & more. For complete details on the sale along with the discount codes click here: http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/article.aspx?id=1682. Sale ends Monday morning at 10 AM.

- It was announced earlier this week at ROHWrestling.com that Jim Cornette will spearhead a special training seminar and tryout camp on Sunday, March 7th, 2010, from 10AM to 7PM to get a look at the best independent talent out there. It will take place at ROH's headquarters and training center in suburban Philadelphia. Others in attendance at the seminar besides Jim Cornette will be ROH owner Cary Silkin, booker Adam Pearce, and head trainer Delirious from the ROH Academy. The seminar is open to any current pro wrestler with at least one year's experience. Each attendee is responsible for his own transportation to and from the ROH school, and any necessary lodging. The registration fee is $195 to reserve your spot. Spaces are filling up quickly so don't delay reserving your spot. To read the complete press release click here: http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/article.aspx?id=3192.

- Did you get your copy of the Ring of Honor iPhone app yet? Search “ROH”, “ROH Wrestling”, or “Ring of Honor” in the iTunes Store to get your news, video, and everything else up-to-the-minute on your iTouch or iPhone! Let us know what you think of the app at our Twitter account, www.twitter.com/rohonhdnet!

- Earlier in the week, it was announced that El Generico will face Davey Richards at the 8th Anniversary Show on February 13th in Midtown Manhattan (http://rohwrestling.com/news/article.aspx?id=3200). Many in ROH feel that a top-quality matchup will snap the string of bad luck Generico has had since Final Battle when Kevin Steen betrayed him. We know that Steen will face a public confrontation by Colt Cabana in New York, and he will face Generico’s long-time friend, the Human Tornado, when ROH debuts in L.A. Steen will have a lot of answering to do in a very short period of time.

- Speaking of the Human Tornado, sources indicate that he has issued a challenge for the “8th Anniversary Show” on February 13th in New York. ROH officials have confirmed that they did receive a match request, but will not divulge who Tornado has challenged until they receive an answer from that competitor. Thus far this individual has declined all comment on the matter. We hope to have more on this next week.

- “Skullkrusher” Rasche Brown has been a monster since debuting in Ring of Honor, and has Prince Nana and Shane Hagadorn frothing at the mouth in hopes of signing this massive individual. Over the past few months, he has been unstoppable in one-on-one and even one-on-two handicap contests. ROH officials have confirmed that Brown wants to debut in New York facing three men! Only the top ROH talent will be a part of the “8th Anniversary Show”, and facing any one man on that stage would be a bigger challenge than any Brown has faced. Facing two would be a near impossible task, but facing three is unheard of. Officials are reviewing the Skullkrusher’s request, and will have a ruling in the coming days.

- In addition to those already announced in matches for the “8th Anniversary Show” we’re happy to confirm the following talents: ROH World Tag Team Champions The Briscoe Brothers, “Skullkrusher” Rasche Brown, “That Young Knockout Kid” Chris Hero, the Dark City Fight Club, Erick Stevens and Joey Ryan of the Embassy, Kenny King, The Necro Butcher, and Eddie Kingston. We’ll have more names and matchups next week!

- ROH officials are in close talks with two talents about returning to Ring of Honor. One of these men has stated that he got too far away from his wrestling instincts during his first run and a return to that form will make him a dominant force in ROH. The other man is sick of being put in a role that disgusts him and has vowed to change the perception of him by unleashing his skills on the ROH roster. Sources indicate that one or both of these men could re-debut at the next ROH on HDNet Television Tapings on February 5th and 6th.

- Don’t forget that Pro Wrestling RESPECT debuts this Sunday, January 24, 2010 at the National Guard Armory in Burlington, New Jersey! All the stars from the ROH Wrestling Academy will be on hand, as well as head trainers Delirious and Daizee Haze. Tickets for this great event are only $8! Get your fix of all of the information on this weekend’s big RESPECT debut event at http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/article.aspx?id=3203 and check out the RESPECT website at www.prowrestlingrespect.com!
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Wonder who the two returning names are? I'd hazard a guess at the first guy being Brent Albright as the fans got really tired of his last run and were asking for a return to his 'hired gun' gimmick he debuted in ROH with. Hoping at least one of those guys is Paul London :(

Also, Dragon Gate USA's 2nd PPV Freedom Fight airs tonight inDemand, DISH network & TVN - anyone watching?

Dragon Gate USA returns to pay-per-view with "Freedom Fight" on January 22nd with an affordable price. It'll feature a one-night tournament with a unique format to crown the first ever Open The Freedom Gate Champion. The last DGUSA PPV, "Untouchable," received a 100% "thumbs up" rating in the Nov. 16th issue of The Wrestling Observer Newsletter. "Freedom Fight" continues this standard of excellence.

Watch it starting on January 22nd on iN DEMAND, The DISH Network and TVN in the United States and Viewer's Choice and Bell ExpressVU in Canada. Check your local listings for time, channel, price and replay times.

Dragon Gate USA has assembled a roster of the elite from all over the world to compete for the Open The Freedom Gate Championship. Who will go down in the record books as the first title holder? As if this tourney wasn't enough for you, DGUSA has added a bonus main event. It is tag team wrestling at its best with some personal issues as Dragon Kid & Shingo battle Naruki Doi & Masato Yoshino. Take a look at the complete lineup:

Open The Freedom Gate Title Match - Elimination Rules
Winners Of The Four Qualifying Matches

Qualifying Match #1 - Next Level
Davey Richards vs. YAMATO

Qualifying Match #2 - Salute To Skayde
Super Crazy vs. Mike Quackenbush vs. CIMA vs. Jorge "Skayde" Rivera

Qualifying Match #3 - Redemption
Brian Kendrick vs. BxB Hulk

Qualifying Match #4 - Generation New
Matt Jackson of Young Bucks vs. Nick Jackson of Young Bucks vs. Gran Akuma vs. Hallowicked vs. Lince Dorado vs. Johnny Gargano

Bonus Main Event - Tag Team Challenge Match
Dragon Kid & Shingo vs. Masato Yoshino & Naruki Doi

Join us for the beginning of a new year and new era when DGUSA crowns its first champion at "Freedom Fight" from Philadelphia, airing on pay-per-view with a January 22nd premiere. Get in on the ground floor and see why DGUSA is the hottest new promotion in the world!!!
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Should be an amazing show, can't wait for that kick ass main event, the Skayde lucha 4-man match, BxB Hulk vs Kendrick & YAMATO vs Davey.
 
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Uhtred

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Net_Wrecker said:
OH SNAPZ.

Really though, TNA is making all the wrong moves right now IMO. I'll keep watching in hopes that they turn it around, but the Orlando Screwjob was not the way to go.
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Yes they are making all the wrong moves, becaus it was such a success that in 8 years they have gone no where.
 
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Uhtred

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Another thing that makes me so mad, is that all you guys say is young stars young stars, I don't want to see these old farts. How do you think these guys are suppose to make a name for themselves?

When ratings slip, who does Vince look to? HHH HBK etc........... Thats how it is. TNA may put some of you off who have been following for the last few years, I don't think they care about you. They are looking for the old WCW audience who are older now, and they are looking for more people who are not hardcore followers.

They don't care about the guy who watched for the last 3 years, you did nothing for their numbers.
 
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Rafa=FedKilla

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shesha said:
Another thing that makes me so mad, is that all you guys say is young stars young stars, I don't want to see these old farts. How do you think these guys are suppose to make a name for themselves?

When ratings slip, who does Vince look to? HHH HBK etc........... Thats how it is. TNA may put some of you off who have been following for the last few years, I don't think they care about you. They are looking for the old WCW audience who are older now, and they are looking for more people who are not hardcore followers.

They don't care about the guy who watched for the last 3 years, you did nothing for their numbers.
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Rating suck for WWE because they do the same shit over and over. Batista versus Undertaker circa two years ago. Triple H battling Cena and Orton. OMG it was a WRESTLEMANIA main event. Don't get me started on how from March 2009 until November they had Legacy in a main event handicapped match on RAW. Guess what Double Double E, they all sucked. You know your in trouble when your vintage moment repeated over and over for five years.
 
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bjork

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shesha said:
Another thing that makes me so mad, is that all you guys say is young stars young stars, I don't want to see these old farts. How do you think these guys are suppose to make a name for themselves?

When ratings slip, who does Vince look to? HHH HBK etc........... Thats how it is. TNA may put some of you off who have been following for the last few years, I don't think they care about you. They are looking for the old WCW audience who are older now, and they are looking for more people who are not hardcore followers.

They don't care about the guy who watched for the last 3 years, you did nothing for their numbers.
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Young stars make a name by taking an idea and running with it. Beating so and so for the rub or having the torch passed means zero for a character in this era.
 
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British Monsoon

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shesha said:
Another thing that makes me so mad, is that all you guys say is young stars young stars, I don't want to see these old farts. How do you think these guys are suppose to make a name for themselves?

When ratings slip, who does Vince look to? HHH HBK etc........... Thats how it is.
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Young stars should be put over by the older guys, not have their spots taken away by a collective of ageing dinosaurs coming in to shit up the joint. Look at guys like Flair and Funk who have spent the last 20 years putting over young talent then compare that to wastes of space like Hall who only give a shit about securing their spot, and their limelight.

You say Vince has to turn to HBK and HHH for ratings and you're right, because those guys are still huge draws while any attempt to elevate new talent to a similar level is met with abject failure thanks to shitty booking and a general reluctance to run with fresh ideas.
 
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Cena has put over Sheamus, elevated him.
HHH and HBK did very well with Legacy (minus Orton) and have elevated Legacy.
Orton, even though has generally been victorious over Kofi, the feud has defenitely elevated Kofi.
 
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Rafa=FedKilla

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cartoon_soldier said:
Cena has put over Sheamus, elevated him.
HHH and HBK did very well with Legacy (minus Orton) and have elevated Legacy.
Orton, even though has generally been victorious over Kofi, the feud has defenitely elevated Kofi.
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But they refused to elevate them by partnering these feuds with compelling storylines. Nobody is going to remember why Legacy was in every main event of RAW from March to November. The audience has no reason to remember, nor there matches. Every Legacy versus DX match consisted of Legacy using Michaels as a punching bag, then they would turn it around. Neither was convincing since both members had to gang up on Michaels to inflict damage. Don't get me started on HHH going into God mode at the end of all of his matches.
 
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evil ways

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shesha said:
Another thing that makes me so mad, is that all you guys say is young stars young stars, I don't want to see these old farts. How do you think these guys are suppose to make a name for themselves?

When ratings slip, who does Vince look to? HHH HBK etc........... Thats how it is. TNA may put some of you off who have been following for the last few years, I don't think they care about you. They are looking for the old WCW audience who are older now, and they are looking for more people who are not hardcore followers.

They don't care about the guy who watched for the last 3 years, you did nothing for their numbers.
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There's a big difference between Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Mick Foley, The Nasty Boys v.s. HHH, HBK, Undertaker etc.., not just in age, but in health and overall in ring quality. The old WWE guys can still work great matches, and are in fit shape, while most of the ex-WWE/WCW guys TNA has are all washed up, injury prone, and in some cases 1-2 cheeseburgers away from heart failure.

And the old WCW fans from the nWo/Attitude era aren't gonna get drawn in too much when you got Diesel & Razor, "The Outsiders", looking like father time and humpty dumpty, staggering around the ring
 
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Uhtred

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Sweet!

I understand all you are saying.

I hope TNA kicks the beejeezus out of WWE. WWE has become so stale. I catch glimpses here and there. Its bad. Its Cena and his 5th grade followers.

I fell out of love during the Mcmahon Helmsley era. And kinda watched both shows.
Its been horrible latley.(last few years)


I have been very intrested in TNA for the last few weeks.
 
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie

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shesha said:
Sweet!

I understand all you are saying.

I hope TNA kicks the beejeezus out of WWE. WWE has become so stale. I catch glimpses here and there. Its bad. Its Cena and his 5th grade followers.

I fell out of love during the Mcmahon Helmsley era. And kinda watched both shows.
Its been horrible latley.(last few years)


I have been very intrested in TNA for the last few weeks.
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Are you really this starved for something to do that you'd make yourself watch TNA? I mean, you complain about WWE, but at least they try to make sense and let the viewer actually breathe for a moment without someone yelling at you. The Bret/Shawn/Vince interactions were like watching an Oscar bait film when compared to the erratic garbage that was going on in TNA that night.

Ideologically, Styles turning heel with Flair to talk for him is brilliant. Realistically, this is TNA so it won't matter and it'll be ruined.

If what TNA is offering is the alternative to WWE, I think just about everyone here except you would rather just watch neither.
 
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CrunchinJelly

formerly cjelly
I'm watching SmackDown and...

...I thought Charlie Haas was dead?!?! :lol

Oh, wait, he didn't even get to do anything. Out the ring in 10 seconds. :lol
 
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