2010/11 NBA Oct/Nov |OT| of "X team without Y superstar are almost Raptor-good(tm)"

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The Crimson Blur said:
Yeah, but that was my biased assessment. I have no reason to want the Heat to succeed.

I just happen to not be stupid as hell so I can realize that a team with Dwyane Wade and 2 other superstars is going to demolish this league.

74-8, lose in the ECFs/Finals.

I want to see how bad their interior D will be. There are very few teams that can match-up with their wings, but we're one of them.

Their bigs remain a joke until proven otherwise.

Even though he is old, The Big Hornswaggle, is a big body that, even in small doses WILL create match-up problems for the Lakers in a series.

I wouldn't count on him "hurting them" in anyway.

And just as motivated as the Lakers were last June for revenge, the Czzz will be locked and loaded should it come down to that again next year.

And Hornswaggle will want to beat Kobe H2H and retire like a little bitch.

True, but I have total faith that Kobe and the boys will be just motivated to defend what's theirs...and Kobe especially to make sure Shaq retires 0-1 vs him the Finals for his 6th, and number 17, with the possible last hurrah for Coach GOAT.

Hot damn this is gonna be a fun season.

And I'll say this now--tonight's game of Heat-Celtics is something I'll put no stock in.
 
Boombloxer said:
Here's the thing--I look at that and basically still see:

KG
Perkins
Baby
I don't know how much Shaq is going to hurt/help them.
Shaq shits on bynum almost every time they play...
 
The Crimson Blur said:
Yeah, but that was my biased assessment. I have no reason to want the Heat to succeed.

I just happen to not be stupid as hell so I can realize that a team with Dwyane Wade and 2 other superstars is going to demolish this league.

The only problem is, it's a long season and, just like the Lakers, the Heat will get every team's best punch, every night.

The way that Wade plays it will be very physical on him especially over the other two.

I'm not set to "crown" them as a foregone conclusion to come out the East just yet, but yes, on paper they look very good.
 
Derek Fisher and Steve Blake... AB might drop 40 tonight.

Hopefully they'll switch Kobe on AB and Fisher on KMart :lol
 
bionic77 said:
That possibility definitely exists, but I am not willing to concede it before a single game has been played. I still think they are very week up front and big teams can exploit that. And of course no one ever knows how injuries are going to play out. They already lost Miller for a few months and Wade is a fragile boy. They can't afford to go into the playoffs without that team at less than 100%.

I really think the series with Boston is going to be a lot closer than you think it will be. Wade is going to own Allen all series long and LeBron is going to dominate Pierce, but they have no one to guard Rondo, I give the edge to KG over Bosh and Boston will have a big advantage at center and a slight advantage in their bench.

OK, thats reasonable. A Miami injury could plausibly allow for another team to win it this year. The Miller injury is a big deal, particularly because I doubt he'll be the same even when he comes back. I highly doubt Wade will get injured though, he will have to do so much less this year that this will be the easiest regular season he ever had. And really, Dwyane Wade, Lebron James, and Chris Bosh are trucks. Dwight Howard is as likely to get injured as those guys. The entire Celtic roster, Kobe, and Vince/Rashard are way bigger health concerns among the "contenders" (if thats what you want to call every team other than Miami).

The concern about their bigs is way overblown. Chris Bosh gets way too much hate for his defense. Don't get me wrong, hes no David Robinson, but hes not Boozer or Jefferson either. I watched a ton of Raptors games last season for some reason, and to be quite honest, he wasn't the problem with their defense. A frontline of Bosh, Haslem, Joel Anthony, Juwan Howard, and Big Z will do just fine. No center in the league will dominate them. Dwight can't dominate against anyone, Bynum will be in full playoff form, Shaq/Jermaine are irrelevant and aren't worth more than 10-15 ppg a night, and Bogut's team is too bad to matter. They will, in all likelihood, be a great defensive team...wing defense matters.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
The only problem is, it's a long season and, just like the Lakers, the Heat will get every team's best punch, every night.

Best punch? They are in the East for christs sake. What, is John Wall gonna make Blatche drop the weed and Gil shave cause Wade and company are in town? Are the Raps suddenly going to learn how to defend because their crowd is going to boo Bosh just like they do against all of their franchise's notable players? Is Mo Williams going to make a million threes while wagging his dick at Lebron because he feels resentful?

No. Those teams are going to get whooped. Bad. Miami's big 3 will go out and get gyros at halftime because they know they won't need to be back for the second half.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
I'd rather see Fisher on Scola...but we both know Scola wants no part of Fisher.

The only way Fisher knows how to play is cheap shots and flopping :lol Too bad that's not good enough to stop AB from dropping 30 on him regularly.
 
KingGondo said:
The Blazers play us well, but every team in the league has bad matchups.

The "love" for OKC is because they won 50 games and took the Lakers to 6 (and almost 7) in their first playoff series, with the youngest team in the league. And because they have Durant and Westbrook.

Tomorrow night will tell us a lot about how far this team has progressed over the summer. The Bulls have been a tough matchup for us the last couple of years, and we won't have Collison (which is bigger than many people would realize).
Yeah, don't get me wrong - I think OKC and Portland are neck & neck, and OKC will most likely be more successful due to Portland's injuries. Is Collison's injury recurring, or an isolated case? It really would be tough to have him out.
 
The Crimson Blur said:
Best punch? They are in the East for christs sake. What, is John Wall gonna make Blatche drop the weed and Gil shave cause Wade and company are in town? Are the Raps suddenly going to learn how to defend because their crowd is going to boo Bosh just like they do against all of their franchise's notable players? Is Mo Williams going to make a million threes while wagging his dick at Lebron because he feels resentful?

No. Those teams are going to get whooped. Bad. Miami's big 3 will go out and get gyros at halftime because they know they won't need to be back for the second half.

You do know they will play games outside the Eastern conference right?

They will play lots of contending teams in the East several times each.

Sure, they may rollover the lesser teams like Washington but that is expected.

The Western conference isn't rolling over for these guys on any given night--
except maybe the Clippers
 
The Crimson Blur said:
Best punch? They are in the East for christs sake. What, is John Wall gonna make Blatche drop the weed and Gil shave cause Wade and company are in town? Are the Raps suddenly going to learn how to defend because their crowd is going to boo Bosh just like they do against all of their franchise's notable players? Is Mo Williams going to make a million threes while wagging his dick at Lebron because he feels resentful?

No. Those teams are going to get whooped. Bad. Miami's big 3 will go out and get gyros at halftime because they know they won't need to be back for the second half.

Cmon. You know that getting the best shot from everyone every night is going to wear on you.

I'm not ready to crown them at all, I want to see them play. Again, L.A. has had a team like that with better players that didn't win a chip.

A frontline of Bosh, Haslem, Joel Anthony, Juwan Howard, and Big Z

Did you really just post this? Bosh and Haslem are the only two guys that matter.

Against L.A.? Boston? Dwight?

Hell, Atlanta and Chicago would probably give them problems.
 
The Crimson Blur said:
Best punch? They are in the East for christs sake. What, is John Wall gonna make Blatche drop the weed and Gil shave cause Wade and company are in town? Are the Raps suddenly going to learn how to defend because their crowd is going to boo Bosh just like they do against all of their franchise's notable players? Is Mo Williams going to make a million threes while wagging his dick at Lebron because he feels resentful?

No. Those teams are going to get whooped. Bad. Miami's big 3 will go out and get gyros at halftime because they know they won't need to be back for the second half.

Woow looking at all your posts, seems like you think miami will win all its games this year and sweap everybody 4-0 in the play offs
 
thekad said:
The only way Fisher knows how to play is cheap shots and flopping :lol Too bad that's not good enough to stop AB from dropping 30 on him regularly.

AB can drop 70 on Fisher so long as it results in a L for the Rockets.

I'm so beyond "Player X dropped Y points on Player Z"

Just win.
 
Branduil said:
1. LA
2. Dallas
3. Portland
4. OKC
5. Utah
6. Houston
7. Denver
8. San Antonio

1. Miami
2. Orlando
3. Boston
4. Chicago
5. Milwaukee
6. Atlanta
7. Charlotte
8. Washington
Haven't made my predictions official yet either, so here goes:

1. LAL
2. OKC
3. Dallas
4. Houston
5. Portland
6. San Antonio
7. Utah
8. Memphis

1. Miami
2. Orlando
3. Atlanta
4. Boston
5. Milwaukee
6. Chicago
7. Charlotte
8. Indiana

Mutagenic said:
Yeah, don't get me wrong - I think OKC and Portland are neck & neck, and OKC will most likely be more successful due to Portland's injuries. Is Collison's injury recurring, or an isolated case? It really would be tough to have him out.
It's not a recurring injury, should be out for another 2-3 weeks. It sucks to have him out (dude led the league in charges taken last year), but I'm excited to see what Ibaka can do with an expanded role.
 
I said some of this earlier, but what the hell:

1. LAL
2. Dallas
3. OKC
4. Utah
5. Portland
6. San Antonio
7. Houston

1. Miami
2. Orlando
3. Atlanta
4. Boston
5. Milwaukee
6. Chicago

No one else matters.
 
The Wolves/Heat game is one of the options for NBATV fan night. Please, America, don't do pick that. Don't do that to my boys.
 
Rodeo Clown said:
The Wolves/Heat game is one of the options for NBATV fan night. Please, America, don't do pick that. Don't do that to my boys.
Any game with the Heat is a shoo-in, RC. Sorry.

I'm sure the pups will put up a valiant fight, though!
 
Speaking about tonight's MIA VS BOS game.......Has Ray Allen gotten his soul back after selling it in Game 2? It would be a shame

@KingGondo Why no DEN in west predictions?
 
SamuraiX- said:
Wtf? So now adding two veteran 7-footers (Shaq and Jermaine) to your team does absolutely nothing.

JO is broken, his knees are as brittle as a 90yr old. Not to mention his complete lack of rebounding and hustle.

Shaq will still feast on the younger Centers but chances are he will be in foul trouble long before he can do anything significant.

They are average placeholders, until Perkins can comeback Midseason.
 
Boombloxer said:
Cmon. You know that getting the best shot from everyone every night is going to wear on you.

For who? Lebron and Wade have been dealing with that sort of pressure every year. But they have had to do it alone. Now they won't have to. Bosh is too stupid to let the pressure get to him, so whats left, do you expect the Heat bench to fold? Udonis Haslem is a tough motherfucker. One of the best glue guys in the league. Hes not backing down from shit.

Boombloxer said:
Did you really just post this? Bosh and Haslem are the only two guys that matter.

Against L.A.? Boston? Dwight?

Hell, Atlanta and Chicago would probably give them problems.

What, are Bosh and Haslem not enough as it is? That already makes them among the best frontcourts offensively, especially with all the easy passes they will be getting. Juwan Howard isn't irrelevant at all, did you see him in Portland last year? Joel Anthony is a scrub but hes a big body and that means something. Z will do great in certain matchups. Their frontcourt is not a joke by any means.

But the point is that it doesn't matter if they don't have the best frontcourt in the league. Dwight isn't doing shit. Hes not going to win a series on his own, hes not that good. The Celtic frontcourt is great defensively but is mediocre at best offensively. Pau is a problem but Bosh will do a serviceable job. No one else in LA is relevant enough to make a difference in that series.

Atlanta and Chicago aren't going to give Miami any problems whatsoever. None. Frontcourt, backcourt, off-the-court...ok well, maybe Chicago will be pissed that Lebron and Bosh didn't sign with them and will throw shit on the court but thats all I can think of.

ryutaro's mama said:
You do know they will play games outside the Eastern conference right?

Right, but the point is that they will be facing scrub teams two-thirds of the time. They won't be "worn down" by the other third. They will just remember to eat breakfast that morning and schedule the orgy after the game rather than before.

Omiee said:
Woow looking at all your posts, seems like you think miami will win all its games this year and sweap everybody 4-0 in the play offs

Of course they won't. Wade will party too hard one night and show up with a killer hangover. Bosh will fall asleep on the court and wake up to see that the opposing team is up 20.

Something wrong will happen to cause them to lose games. But no way in hell are they not winning the championship. Something bizarre, like a freak injury or a miracle trade, would have to happen to stop that.
 
SamuraiX- said:
Wtf? So now adding two veteran 7-footers (Shaq and Jermaine) to your team does absolutely nothing.

See above, but not really, no. O'neal is whatever, and Shaq is in the Big Decline.

I expect Boston to make it out of the east based on KG's health. That's it.

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For who? Lebron and Wade have been dealing with that sort of pressure every year. But they have had to do it alone. Now they won't have to. Bosh is too stupid to let the pressure get to him, so whats left, do you expect the Heat bench to fold? Udonis Haslem is a tough motherfucker. One of the best glue guys in the league. Hes not backing down from shit.

Not really. LBJ ok, but when the Heat had a bullseye on their back, what was the result again? They sure as hell didn't have one last season. I do agree that Bosh would have to go buy a bullseye from 7-11 to know what one looks like.

And that's one guy on the Heat bench. Until they prove it, they get nothing.

What, are Bosh and Haslem not enough as it is? That already makes them among the best frontcourts offensively, especially with all the easy passes they will be getting. Juwan Howard isn't irrelevant at all, did you see him in Portland last year? Joel Anthony is a scrub but hes a big body and that means something. Z will do great in certain matchups. Their frontcourt is not a joke by any means.

But the point is that it doesn't matter if they don't have the best frontcourt in the league. Dwight isn't doing shit. Hes not going to win a series on his own, hes not that good. The Celtic frontcourt is great defensively but is mediocre at best offensively. Pau is a problem but Bosh will do a serviceable job. No one else in LA is relevant enough to make a difference in that series.

Atlanta and Chicago aren't going to give Miami any problems whatsoever. None. Frontcourt, backcourt, off-the-court...ok well, maybe Chicago will be pissed that Lebron and Bosh didn't sign with them and will throw shit on the court but thats all I can think of.

I was talking about their frontcourts. Boozer/Noah + Smith/Horford. They don't have to have the best frontcourt, but in for teams that match up with them, it becomes a bigger factor.

Joel/Z and Howard are jokes compared to the other guys. Dwight doesn't have to win a series on his own, he just has to reduce their frontline to tissue, which is something he can do. They also have Gortat.

Celtics have KG and Perkins. An older KG, when healthy, is better than anyone on Miami. Perkins can neutralize anyone else. Baby will deal with Haslem if needed.

L.A. has Gasol, Odom and Bynum when healthy. Gasol/Bosh is even. Odom/Haslem is pretty much even because Lamar isn't always focused. Limited Bynum is still better than anyone else on that roster.

Perimeter-wise, L.A. matches up with them fine. Kobe/Wade (even though I think Barnes will probably be here instead), LBJ/Artest (just has to frustrate him).

Boston? Allen, Rondo, Pierce. Wade will eat Jesus, only to see Rondo pick his teeth with their point guards.

Magic? Well, if Carter doesn't play, ok.

We won't even bother with coaches. Spolestra's on SVG's level, maybe. No match for Doc, outclassed against Phil.

I know how high you are on Miami, but they haven't proven shit. Saying "Man, only way another team wins is if they are INJURED!" is silly.
 
Branduil said:
The Dallas/Charlotte season opener is going to get horrible ratings, it's on at the same time as the World Series.
Yeah, I know. :/
thekad said:
Derek Fisher and Steve Blake... AB might drop 40 tonight.

Hopefully they'll switch Kobe on AB and Fisher on KMart :lol
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Question for Gondo and Boom: I don't really care where we finish in the standings (but below Houston Gondo? come on now) but out of curiosity, do you guys think we'll finish with 50 wins?

Cause thats all that matters this regular season. I'll take a 7th seed like a champ if we got to 50 somehow.
 
The Crimson Blur said:
For who? Lebron and Wade have been dealing with that sort of pressure every year. But they have had to do it alone. Now they won't have to.

Ok, I'll give you that the Cavs got everyone's best effort last year but you really think Wade and the Pips got the same treatment last year?

C'mon man!
 
The Crimson Blur said:
Question for Gondo and Boom: I don't really care where we finish in the standings (but below Houston Gondo? come on now) but out of curiosity, do you guys think we'll finish with 50 wins?

Houston is much better than San Antonio this year.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
Ok, I'll give you that the Cavs got everyone's best effort last year but you really think Wade and the Pips got the same treatment last year?

C'mon man!

I'd say people were pretty hyped to play Wade last year.

But seriously guys, Wade is going to fold under pressure? Its Dwyane fucking Wade. He'll be fine.

thekad said:
Houston is much better than San Antonio this year.

Eh? I don't really see it but whatever. Sure. Houston's better. Fifty?
 
1. Orlando
2. Miami
3. Boston
4. Milwaukee
5. Atlanta
6. Cleveland
7. Chicago
8. Charlotte

1. Dallas
2. Portland
3. Lakers
4. OKC
5. San Antonio
6. Utah
7. Denver
8. Clippers
 
SamuraiX- said:
Wtf? So now adding two veteran 7-footers (Shaq and Jermaine) to your team does absolutely nothing.
JO leads the leagues in pouts and scowls per game. Shaq leads the league in burnt bridges. Getting Miami's table scraps isn't exactly much to write home about. That said, if either can manage to turn back time and play like their prime then there's something to worry about. Right now, Shaq's not even 2006 Shaq, and that was Shaq already on a steep decline. PEACE.
 
The Crimson Blur said:
I'd say people were pretty hyped to play Wade last year.

But seriously guys, Wade is going to fold under pressure? Its Dwyane fucking Wade. He'll be fine.

Whoa, whoa whoa...fold under pressure? Who said that?

I said best punch, meaning pedestrian teams will play out of their minds because they are playing the Heat.

I see that shit all the time watching the Lakers play--piss-ant teams playing the the games of their lives because they are playing the Lakers.

The Heat are gonna get that same treatment, meaning they will have to be on their A game every night because teams will be gunning for them like it's their persoanl championship.
 
The Crimson Blur said:
Question for Gondo and Boom: I don't really care where we finish in the standings (but below Houston Gondo? come on now) but out of curiosity, do you guys think we'll finish with 50 wins?

Cause thats all that matters this regular season. I'll take a 7th seed like a champ if we got to 50 somehow.
I drew my rankings up really quickly, and honestly it's entirely contingent upon Yao not getting hurt and giving them good minutes. Adelman is one of the top 5 coaches in the league, and they definitely have talent.

I definitely think the Spurs will get 50 wins, and in all honesty the 2-8 seeds will probably be separated by only a few wins, just like last year.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
Whoa, whoa whoa...fold under pressure? Who said that?

I said best punch, meaning pedestrian teams will play out of their minds because they are playing the Heat.

I see that shit all the time watching the Lakers play--piss-ant teams playing the the games of their lives because they are playing the Lakers.

The Heat are gonna get that same treatment, meaning they will have to be on their A game every night because teams will be gunning for them like it's their persoanl championship.

Nobodies with career-highs.

See that 9th man? He's going to have the game of his life against Miami. I can't wait to see posts talking about "WTF? Where did this guy come from?" after some D-League transfer drops 24.

Again, this will be all new to Miami. For the Lakers, it's Tuesday.
 
I think the key to beating the Heat in a series will be can your big men stay out of foul trouble, a lot of teams will have a edge over Heat at the 5, but can your center stay on the floor to actually take advantage of it. A concentrated attack on the rim by LeBron and Wade will take people off the floor. The Celtics have enough bodies to throw on the court, the problem with them is they have absolutely nobody to matchup with LeBron or Wade on the perimeter.

The Lakers matchup much better with the Heat IMO, big bodies and good perimeter defenders.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
Whoa, whoa whoa...fold under pressure? Who said that?

Sorry I mixed you and Boom's arguments up :lol

ryutaro's mama said:
I said best punch, meaning pedestrian teams will play out of their minds because they are playing the Heat.

I see that shit all the time watching the Lakers play--piss-ant teams playing the the games of their lives because they are playing the Lakers.

The Heat are gonna get that same treatment, meaning they will have to be on their A game every night because teams will be gunning for them like it's their persoanl championship.

Yeah, I've seen it with the Spurs for years now. But I think you overestimate that effect in the East. The West's bad teams have heart. Sac-town, Golden State, and Houston (last year) don't give up. The Wizards give up. Detroit gives up. New Jersey gives up. Charlotte won't, but they can't score so it doesn't matter. Other than Minnesota, its hard to say any team in the West is just going to sit down and lose for you. Half the East will just pack it in once they see the Miami jerseys.

Plus, how much will stuff like this wear on them when they'll be going to the line for 40 points a game minimum? The other team will just get frustrated and say fuck it.
 
The M.O.B said:
JO is broken, his knees are as brittle as a 90yr old. Not to mention his complete lack of rebounding and hustle.

Shaq will still feast on the younger Centers but chances are he will be in foul trouble long before he can do anything significant.

They are average placeholders, until Perkins can comeback Midseason.

Jermaine had a legit season last year in Miami. Yes, he disappeared in the Playoffs, but now he won't have as much weight on his shoulders (like being the only damn big on a team).

Shaq also had a legit season with Cleveland last year. If foul trouble is your excuse, that's not saying much when you have Jermaine, Perkins, and Erden to enter if he picks up some early ones. In 53 regular season games w/ Cleveland, he didn't foul out once, averaging +20 minutes per game with an average of about 3 PF per game. In the post season, playing +20 MPG, averaged ~4 fouls per game, and didn't foul out. He can still shot +50% from the field when given touches. He is a presence and will change the flow of the game when he is on the floor, whether you guys like to admit it or not.

Also SMH @ the O'Neal towers being "average placeholders". :lol

Having Perkins, Shaq, AND Jermaine at the center spot, with the Big 3 healthy, will lead Boston to a championship this season. Bank on it.
 
Well, the post-James era begins tomorrow. Go Cavs!

Having moved two states away, watching all of the games is going to be tricky. ATDHE.net should come in handy.
 
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That's it, I'm hyped.

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BertramCooper said:
Well, the post-James era begins tomorrow. Go Cavs!

Having moved two states away, watching all of the games is going to be tricky. ATDHE.net should come in handy.
You won't be missing much.

I'd love to see them play the Heat in the first round, but I just don't think they have the horses to make the playoffs in a much-improved East. 35 wins seems like a likely number.
 
The Crimson Blur said:
Sorry I mixed you and Boom's arguments up :lol



Yeah, I've seen it with the Spurs for years now. But I think you overestimate that effect in the East. The West's bad teams have heart. Sac-town, Golden State, and Houston (last year) don't give up. The Wizards give up. Detroit gives up. New Jersey gives up. Charlotte won't, but they can't score so it doesn't matter. Other than Minnesota, its hard to say any team in the West is just going to sit down and lose for you. Half the East will just pack it in once they see the Miami jerseys.

Plus, how much will stuff like this wear on them when they'll be going to the like for 40 points a game minimum? The other team will just get frustrated and say fuck it.

When did I say Wade would fold under pressure? I think out of everyone on that team, Wade and Haslem are the least likely to fold. We'll see about the other guys. Wade was still playing hard when he had no chance.

I don't think they'll be at the line shooting 89 FT's every night. I expect to see LBJ's numbers stay the same, Wade's to dip a tad, Bosh to dip the most, then filler. They aren't going to get 30 shots each, their usage rate is going to warrant them going to the line less.
 
Boombloxer said:
When did I say Wade would fold under pressure? I think out of everyone on that team, Wade and Haslem are the least likely to fold. We'll see about the other guys. Wade was still playing hard when he had no chance.

Ah, sorry, I took when you said that Wade hadn't had the bulls-eye for a long time to imply that. My bad.

But yeah, Wade will do great in crunch time. Its a perfect scenario for Bron. He can dominate for 3 quarters, get all the credit, and watch Wade carry him to the win. Personally, I don't think you need a mentally-fit team as long as you have a guy like Wade. Hes enough to deal with any pressure situations.

Boombloxer said:
I don't think they'll be at the line shooting 89 FT's every night. I expect to see LBJ's numbers stay the same, Wade's to dip a tad, Bosh to dip the most, then filler. They aren't going to get 30 shots each, their usage rate is going to warrant them going to the line less.

Oh they are going to be shooting a ton of FTs. Not 89. But a ton. Its gonna be a circus.

But the FTA numbers won't look too ridiculous cause scrubs will be playing for the last quarter of every game.
 
The Crimson Blur said:
But yeah, Wade will do great in crunch time. Its a perfect scenario for Bron. He can dominate for 3 quarters, get all the credit, and watch Wade carry him to the win. Personally, I don't think you need a mentally-fit team as long as you have a guy like Wade. Hes enough to deal with any pressure situations.

But you DO need interior defense and rebounding.

We'll see how they fair tonight.
 
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