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reilo said:
The guy has career averages of 20.3/12.5/2.8 for them in the playoffs in 44 games played. They treat him like a villain. Portland fans didn't treat Zach nor Sheed in the same manner, and those guys had some serious off-the-court and on-the-court-issues.

Everybody gave him a second chance. He refused to play with even the most minor discomfort, he lied coming in and going out, he was bad in the locker room (probably the worst part about him being here), and he only played hard when money was on the line.

Edit: And I love how reilo tries to say that they didn't treat those guys in a harsh matter. Give me a break.
 
Rodeo Clown said:
Darko's a pretty good defender and Pek will make him work on defense.

I know, I'm just giving your centers a hard time. :D I just want to see Cousins continue his aggressiveness that I saw when we beat the Clipps in the second game.
 
Jeff-DSA said:
Edit: And I love how reilo tries to say that they didn't treat those guys in a harsh matter. Give me a break.
That's not what I said at all. I was exaggerating, but Jazz fans are treating Boozer something dirty.
 
I don't buy the OKC hype. My dad loves Durant and I agree that he's talented but that team isn't that deep compared to their competition in the west. No way they even come close to winning that conference without some major acquisitions along the way.

My team is Memphis, my player is LeBron. Fuck the Celtics.
 
reilo said:
That's not what I said at all. I was exaggerating, but Jazz fans are treating Boozer something dirty.

Yeah, you know, we should be happy that he slept with Korver's ex-girlfriend and caused all sorts of drama that messed his head up during the season, we should be glad that DURING THE SEASON he talked about how he was going to opt for a big payday while he's nursing a minor injury for months and the rest of the guys are busting their butts to stay competitive. We should just love the fact that he offered up no effort off the court to improve his conditioning or defense.

The team paid him well, the fans gave him a great reception, and all he did was act like a lazy ingrate. I defended him all the way up until the playoffs last season when it was obvious he didn't care about anything but a big offseason contract. I always criticized his ability to play through "injury", but eventually you just get fed up with everything else with a guy like that.
 
The M.O.B said:
Chicago is apparently close to signing former MIA PG Patrick Beverly. Most likely a 3rd man behind Rose and Watson.
And watch them wheel him out to guard Wade when we play them. He's scrappy on defense, but is prone to turnovers and has no shot. If he ever develops a perimeter shot, we're gonna regret letting him go. I think the Miller injury forced us to cut him. It was probably gonna be a choice between him and Butler, but with the Stack signing, we had to dump both of them. Oh well...not like he was gonna get much burn anyway. He'd be sitting behind even House on the PG depth chart. PEACE.
 
reilo said:
Wait, what? :lol

Yup. Korver broke up with a girl and BoozIR was all, "I'm going to get with that!" I guess he forgot he was married and had kids. So next thing you know the dude is sleeping in a hotel rather than at home and his game suffers greatly for it. His wife took him back, but I'm guessing he got nasty with some Chicago groupie and this time she sent him packing for good.

I'm not sure if that's public knowledge, actually.
 
The vibe out here is insane as well as scalping prices. Only way the hype could be met is if LeBron tears his acl or something.
 
K.Jack said:
We'll get 42-45 wins. Book it.

37-40 is my (hopeful) prediction.

I just want to see all the sportswriters that say we will be lucky to win 20 games to eat a bag of shit. Thank god we play in the East.

Of course, if the Cavs get off to a slow start, they could decide to blow it all up and then 20 wins would be a real possibility. But, that would be a desired outcome.
 
bionic77 said:
While I agree that was bullshit (well done bullshit, but still bullshit), lets not pretend that LeBron came up with the idea for that ad.

And speaking of the upcoming season I want no part of the Celtics if the Lakers make it back to the Finals for the 4th year in a row. That shit hurts too much. I just want the gang healthy with a top 3 seed entering the playoffs. Would be nice to have a bench, but I am not going to get ahead of myself. You can't have everything.

That's the best part. Nerve-wracking and heart-wrenching, then joy.
They replayed Game 7 on the radio out here last night. Shit was rough until we puled through.

Give me the best team, period. I don't think Miami is coming out, I'd pick the Celts or Magic (but they have Carter, so no-go).

I'm really curious to see how Shaq fits in, and if their defense is going to be as good. I can believe the energy, but I think a lot of that is knowing there's only 2 teams that have beaten them, and one of them is suspect mentally. I don't fear them, but they get the most respect.

Us, I know. I expect to be better, win total in the high 50s/low 60s, and kick everyone's teeth in when the Playoffs come around. 3 guys on the bench > 1 guy on the bench, so I expect some improvement.

Deron: Did one of our centers just make a stop?

Pau: No, I scored on the play afterwards. Business as usual.

Don't let the preseason fool you, y'all are still a hard-working speed bump.
 
Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
The vibe out here is insane as well as scalping prices. Only way the hype could be met is if LeBron tears his acl or something.
I am going to see LeBomb in Philly tomorrow and I concur that the hype is insane. I bought the tickets directly from the Sixers and they are 3 times the price of a shitty game (most games in Philly). I can only imagine the shenanigans going on at Stub Hub and the other sites.

Boombloxer said:
That's the best part. Nerve-wracking and heart-wrenching, then joy.
They replayed Game 7 on the radio out here last night. Shit was rough until we puled through.

Give me the best team, period. I don't think Miami is coming out, I'd pick the Celts or Magic (but they have Carter, so no-go).

I'm really curious to see how Shaq fits in, and if their defense is going to be as good. I can believe the energy, but I think a lot of that is knowing there's only 2 teams that have beaten them, and one of them is suspect mentally. I don't fear them, but they get the most respect.
The Celtics are just a bad matchup for up. They are one of the very few teams in the league that can slow down Kobe AND Gasol. I actually think Miami is a much better matchup for the Lakers and I kind of hope they knock out Boston. While I know the Lakers can beat the Celtics, it is a bad matchup and they will be more motivated this year.

And Shaq isn't going to do shit, the same thing he has done on every team since leaving LA. They got Shaq for the fouls and to help slow down Bynum. That is about all he is good for and he can probably do that, but he is going to make them worse offensively and defensively when he is on the floor (not a good combination).
 
Boombloxer said:
That's the best part. Nerve-wracking and heart-wrenching, then joy.
They replayed Game 7 on the radio out here last night. Shit was rough until we puled through.

Give me the best team, period. I don't think Miami is coming out, I'd pick the Celts or Magic (but they have Carter, so no-go).

I'm really curious to see how Shaq fits in, and if their defense is going to be as good. I can believe the energy, but I think a lot of that is knowing there's only 2 teams that have beaten them, and one of them is suspect mentally. I don't fear them, but they get the most respect.

Us, I know. I expect to be better, win total in the high 50s/low 60s, and kick everyone's teeth in when the Playoffs come around. 3 guys on the bench > 1 guy on the bench, so I expect some improvement.

hell yes nothing would be sweeter this season than completeing the 3peat and tying for #17 against the Czzz
 
I really don't get the OKC love. The hobbled Blazers beat them 3-1 in the season series last year and finished a higher seed. OKC is a good team and a joy to watch, but come on.
 
bionic77 said:
The Celtics are just a bad matchup for up. They are one of the very few teams in the league that can slow down Kobe AND Gasol. I actually think Miami is a much better matchup for the Lakers and I kind of hope they knock out Boston. While I know the Lakers can beat the Celtics, it is a bad matchup and they will be more motivated this year.

And Shaq isn't going to do shit, the same thing he has done on every team since leaving LA. They got Shaq for the fouls and to help slow down Bynum. That is about all he is good for and he can probably do that, but he is going to make them worse offensively and defensively when he is on the floor (not a good combination).

and thats what why it would be another epic series
nothing beats lakers vs czz and id love nothing more than to rip their hearts out in back2back years :D
 
Case said:
You mean the only team.
Yeah that is true.

The wildcard is always going to be Ray Allen/Lamar Odom in that series. Rondo/DFish are not going to do much. Pierce and Artest cancel each other out. Gasol and KG cancel each other out. Celtics have enough bodies to make Kobe work ridiculously hard for his shot. Fish is worthless. And Shrek/JO/Perkins cancel out Bynum. The benches don't play enough to make a difference.

Celtics beasted on Luke fucking Walton in 2008, but Artest is good enough to slow down Pierce so that the two teams are way too even.

Probably comes down to home court again.
 
bionic77 said:
I am going to see LeBomb in Philly tomorrow and I concur that the hype is insane. I bought the tickets directly from the Sixers and they are 3 times the price of a shitty game (most games in Philly). I can only imagine the shenanigans going on at Stub Hub and the other sites.


The Celtics are just a bad matchup for up. They are one of the very few teams in the league that can slow down Kobe AND Gasol. I actually think Miami is a much better matchup for the Lakers and I kind of hope they knock out Boston. While I know the Lakers can beat the Celtics, it is a bad matchup and they will be more motivated this year.

And Shaq isn't going to do shit, the same thing he has done on every team since leaving LA. They got Shaq for the fouls and to help slow down Bynum. That is about all he is good for and he can probably do that, but he is going to make them worse offensively and defensively when he is on the floor (not a good combination).

It's not a bad matchup, we're just even. I still want a healthy Bynum against them--the one game he was healthy, he was beasting against KG and Perkins.

Miami's frontline is still a joke. I agree about them being a better matchup--they're not as good as Boston, nor as strong mentally.

You mean the only team.

For most of a series, yes. On the flip side, Pierce and Allen were neutralized over 7 games dealing with Artest and Kobe, while KG/Gasol just evened out.

You know, as much as I want to like the Magic, I just have no faith in them with Carter there.
 
CaptYamato said:
Fucking SHIT!!!! I'm going to miss the game tonight because I promised my sister I would go visit her family and have dinner.
Isn’t your sister’s family also your family?
 
Mutagenic said:
I really don't get the OKC love. The hobbled Blazers beat them 3-1 in the season series last year and finished a higher seed. OKC is a good team and a joy to watch, but come on.
The Blazers play us well, but every team in the league has bad matchups.

The "love" for OKC is because they won 50 games and took the Lakers to 6 (and almost 7) in their first playoff series, with the youngest team in the league. And because they have Durant and Westbrook.

Tomorrow night will tell us a lot about how far this team has progressed over the summer. The Bulls have been a tough matchup for us the last couple of years, and we won't have Collison (which is bigger than many people would realize).
 
Its finally here! Months and months of waiting and today we see the full unveiling of the Heat. I actually like that we only saw 3 minutes of it in the preseason, it makes this game so much bigger (though not having game experience together will hurt us). If we win or lose tonight who cares, I just want to see amazing happen.

This will be the highest rated regular season game in TNT history right? The numbers are going to be astronomical.

Let me give me before the season begins prediction on the Heat. We will make the Finals, if we don't the year is a bust and you guys deserve to laugh at the team at will. Now if its the Lakers, will the Heat beat the two time champs, who have played together for years and are filled to the brim with talent. I don't know, I think we can win, but I wouldn't bet on it. I predict Finals appearance with a possible loss to the Lakers.
 
Boombloxer said:
I don't think Miami is coming out

Boombloxer said:
I don't think Miami is coming out

Boombloxer said:
I don't think Miami is coming out

bionic77 said:
I actually think Miami is a much better matchup for the Lakers and I kind of hope they knock out Boston..

bionic77 said:
I actually think Miami is a much better matchup for the Lakers and I kind of hope they knock out Boston..

bionic77 said:
I actually think Miami is a much better matchup for the Lakers and I kind of hope they knock out Boston..

:lol :lol :lol

Oh the naivety. Shits gonna be merciless.
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArIRVhh42s8xkd378Hr2MsC8vLYF?slug=aw-knicksdraft102610

Knicks scout led improper workouts.

Knicks director of East Coast scouting Rodney Heard coordinated and conducted the sessions, three players who were involved in some of the workouts told Yahoo! Sports – including one May 2007 session that resulted in a devastating knee injury to Kansas All-American Brandon Rush. A tear of the anterior cruciate ligament
in Rush’s right knee forced him to withdraw from the 2007 draft and required surgery plus six months of rehabilitation.

• League sources with knowledge of the workouts said Heard trained forward Wilson Chandler for multiple
weeks before the 2007 predraft camp. The Knicks went on to draft Chandler with the 23rd overall pick that year.

Chandler trained for several weeks in May and June 2007 in suburban Atlanta with Heard, sources with direct knowledge of the workouts told Yahoo! Sports. They mostly used the gymnasium at the one-time home of Abdur-Rahim because of Heard’s close relationship with Abdur-Rahim and the privacy provided by the location. Luchey later canceled planned trips to several teams – including Chicago, Portland and San Antonio – who wanted to conduct permissible workouts in those cities.

Luchey told the teams that Chandler had an ankle injury.
 
The Crimson Blur said:
:lol :lol :lol

Oh the naivety. Shits gonna be merciless.

Right. I'm sure we're worried about their inside defense, having faced the East's best last year.

Merciless is what's going to happen to the rest of the West.

West playoff pix: OKC 62 w's, LAL 56, Utah 55, Dal 53, Por 52, SA 49, Phx 44, Hou 42. OKC over Por; LAL over Uta; OKC over LAL (7).

I missed this, but somehow OKC > everyone? From what? 1 6-game playoff loss?
He's insane. Love Durant, but I want to see him vs other teams in the playoffs.
 
Boombloxer said:
It's not a bad matchup, we're just even. I still want a healthy Bynum against them--the one game he was healthy, he was beasting against KG and Perkins.

Even?

I love ya, Boombloxer but this isn't true anymore.

The Czzz have:

O'Neal
RP36
Perkins (around January)
Garnett
Baby

and probably Sheed after the ASB.

That's a lot of fucking length.

We have:

Bynum (around December)
Gasol
Odom
Ratliff

I think they are in pretty good condition in the bigs category over last year.
 
Boombloxer said:
Right. I'm sure we're worried about their inside defense, having faced the East's best last year.

Merciless is what's going to happen to the rest of the West.

Hey, I'm not saying the Lakers aren't making it out of the West. Western Conference champs has a nice ring to it, and another Finals appearance should look good on Kobe and Phil's resumes. There are franchises who have never made it to the Finals so I'd be grateful if I were you.

But the Heat are going to ground-pound this entire association. Years later you will wonder how many more championships Kobe could have had if Pat Riley hadn't been able to pull this bullshit off. Get used to the feeling and it won't hurt as bad.

Its gonna be a massacre.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
Even?

I love ya, Boombloxer but this isn't true anymore.

The Czzz have:

O'Neal
RP36
Perkins (around January)
Garnett
Baby

and probably Sheed after the ASB.

That's a lot of fucking length.

We have:

Bynum (around December)
Gasol
Odom
Ratliff

I think they are in pretty good condition in the bigs category over last year.

You also forgot Semih Erden. Guy has potential to be special, plus just being a 7-footer makes him a presence even now.

If it's Lakers and Celtics in the Finals again this season, the Lakers won't last 6 games.
 
The Crimson Blur said:
Hey, I'm not saying the Lakers aren't making it out of the West. Western Conference champs has a nice ring to it, and another Finals appearance should look good on Kobe and Phil's resumes. There are franchises who have never made it to the Finals so I'd be grateful if I were you.

But the Heat are going to ground-pound this entire association. Years later you will wonder how many more championships Kobe could have had if Pat Riley hadn't been able to pull this bullshit off. Get used to the feeling and it won't hurt as bad.

Its gonna be a massacre.

You're the same guy that told giri you were gonna destroy the Suns in their series last May.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
Even?

I love ya, Boombloxer but this isn't true anymore.

The Czzz have:

O'Neal
RP36
Perkins (around January)
Garnett
Baby

and probably Sheed after the ASB.

That's a lot of fucking length.

We have:

Bynum (around December)
Gasol
Odom
Ratliff

I think they are in pretty good condition in the bigs category over last year.



Lakers bigs can play in any number of combinations though. Pau and Lamar allow for this. Hell we can have 3 of our guys out there if need be:

Odom(sf)/Pau/Bynum


Meanwhile Boston has a few pieces which limit what they can work with, in:

Perk/Shaq/Baby/Jermaine


Also I'm willing to bet Pau and Andrew aren't gonna get gassed as quick as those old dogs.
 
SamuraiX- said:
You also forgot Semih Erden. Guy has potential to be special, plus just being a 7-footer makes him a presence even now.

If it's Lakers and Celtics in the Finals again this season, the Lakers won't last 6 games.

Didn't list him for the same reason I didn't list Derrick Caracter.

Rookie.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
Even?

I love ya, Boombloxer but this isn't true anymore.

The Czzz have:

O'Neal
RP36
Perkins (around January)
Garnett
Baby

and probably Sheed after the ASB.

That's a lot of fucking length.

We have:

Bynum (around December)
Gasol
Odom
Ratliff

I think they are in pretty good condition in the bigs category over last year.

Here's the thing--I look at that and basically still see:

KG
Perkins
Baby

I don't know about Sheed after the ASG, I didn't see anything about him coming back--Rivers said the same thing about PJ Brown. I don't know how much Shaq is going to hurt/help them.

I don't count on getting a lot of Ratliff, same deal with Mbenga last year.

Playoffs/crunch-time, those are the guys I expect to see--we match up fine with them. I'm more happy that Barnes can chase Allen around instead of Fisher for a change.

Still a 7-game series? Yep. Still tough? Yep. Respect? Yep.

Fear? No.

Edit:

Hey, I'm not saying the Lakers aren't making it out of the West. Western Conference champs has a nice ring to it, and another Finals appearance should look good on Kobe and Phil's resumes. There are franchises who have never made it to the Finals so I'd be grateful if I were you.

But the Heat are going to ground-pound this entire association. Years later you will wonder how many more championships Kobe could have had if Pat Riley hadn't been able to pull this bullshit off. Get used to the feeling and it won't hurt as bad.

Its gonna be a massacre.

I'm going to wait until they prove it.
 
1. LA
2. Dallas
3. Portland
4. OKC
5. Utah
6. Houston
7. Denver
8. San Antonio

1. Miami
2. Orlando
3. Boston
4. Chicago
5. Milwaukee
6. Atlanta
7. Charlotte
8. Washington
 
The Crimson Blur said:
Hey, I'm not saying the Lakers aren't making it out of the West. Western Conference champs has a nice ring to it, and another Finals appearance should look good on Kobe and Phil's resumes. There are franchises who have never made it to the Finals so I'd be grateful if I were you.

But the Heat are going to ground-pound this entire association. Years later you will wonder how many more championships Kobe could have had if Pat Riley hadn't been able to pull this bullshit off. Get used to the feeling and it won't hurt as bad.

Its gonna be a massacre.
That possibility definitely exists, but I am not willing to concede it before a single game has been played. I still think they are very week up front and big teams can exploit that. And of course no one ever knows how injuries are going to play out. They already lost Miller for a few months and Wade is a fragile boy. They can't afford to go into the playoffs without that team at less than 100%.

I really think the series with Boston is going to be a lot closer than you think it will be. Wade is going to own Allen all series long and LeBron is going to dominate Pierce, but they have no one to guard Rondo, I give the edge to KG over Bosh and Boston will have a big advantage at center and a slight advantage in their bench.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
You're the same guy that told giri you were gonna destroy the Suns in their series last May.

Yeah, but that was my biased assessment. I have no reason to want the Heat to succeed.

I just happen to not be stupid as hell so I can realize that a team with Dwyane Wade and 2 other superstars is going to demolish this league.
 
Boombloxer said:
Here's the thing--I look at that and basically still see:

KG
Perkins
Baby

I don't know about Sheed after the ASG, I didn't see anything about him coming back--Rivers said the same thing about PJ Brown. I don't know how much Shaq is going to hurt/help them.

I don't count on getting a lot of Ratliff, same deal with Mbenga last year.

Playoffs/crunch-time, those are the guys I expect to see--we match up fine with them. I'm more happy that Barnes can chase Allen around instead of Fisher for a change.

Still a 7-game series? Yep. Still tough? Yep. Respect? Yep.

Fear? No.

Even though he is old, The Big Hornswaggle, is a big body that, even in small doses WILL create match-up problems for the Lakers in a series.

I wouldn't count on him "hurting them" in anyway.

And just as motivated as the Lakers were last June for revenge, the Czzz will be locked and loaded should it come down to that again next year.

And Hornswaggle will want to beat Kobe H2H and retire like a little bitch.
 
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