Jamesfrom818
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reilo said:
Maybe if they weren't fouled as much, they wouldn't have attempted so many
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2011 NBA Playoffs |OT2| Love Jesus or I'll cut you
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Maybe if they weren't fouled as much, they wouldn't have attempted so many
Personally I'm not seeing that as "making excuses", but giving valid reasons as to why the Lakers underperformed in the post-season. There's a difference between losing in 7 games versus getting swept with homecourt advantage. I don't think that's taking away any credit from the Mavericks, just the fact that the Lakers played like they were deserving of winning the series. Nothing is given.Ninja Scooter said:
The big reason why the Lakers lost? Because the collective mentality shared between Bynum, Odom, Artest and Pau was "not giving a fuck". Their priorities and minds were somewhere else, which, in my opinion, is just as bad as being a bad basketball player.
It's the same shit we've riled on guys like Vince Carter for, it's no different here.
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They'll get Austin Rivers because they'll win the lottery with the Wolves pick. It's destiny.thekad said:
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Basically, the Hawks and Lakers switched mentalities this season. The Hawks now mildly care about the postseason whereas the Lakers now just want to go home.
Austin Rivers fucking sucks, Anthony Davis is ten times better.
Austin Rivers fucking sucks, Anthony Davis is ten times better.
Ninja Scooter
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reilo said:
I don't see them as valid reasons. How would Bynum having late knee surgery be on his mind now? He was playing fine. Lamar had the "Lamar and Khloe" shit going on all year and had arguably the best season of his career. Now Ron Artest raffling away his ring and raising like $300,000 for charity is a negative? That's some Manute Bol-esque reach. It's all revisionist bullshit. This team was old and fatigued and it all came to a head when that combined with a team in Dallas that was playing lights out. Combine those things and you get a 4 game sweep. Why does there always have to be more to it? They lost to a hotter, better team.
Jamesfrom818
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reilo said:
Bynum seemed focused on basketball aside from the elbow.
Ninja Scooter
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reilo said:
I'm not retconning. I'm not trying to reclaim the 08 Finals as a win. We lost. Period. You guys are the ones trying to find reasons to discredit a team that just won 2 straight championships, something only a handful of franchises have EVER done, and act like it was a fluke or lucky. Pathetic.
I wonder if that's because the lakers franchise is just so spoiled? Certainly it's nice to have a team that goes deep into the playoffs as a top seed year after year, and to win back to back championships, but I respect playing your heart out a lot more than winning. You can't be expected to win all the time, but you can always hold your head up high if you tried to perform to the best of your abilities, regardless of the result.ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
LA has become complacent.
Old and fatigued huh? Now that's an excuse if I ever heard one.Ninja Scooter said:
How about this...
Jason Kidd is older than Derek Fisher.
Jason Terry is older than Kobe Bryant.
Shawn Marion is older than Lamar Odom.
Dirk Nowitzki is older than Pau Gasol.
Tyson Chandler is older than Andrew Bynum.
Ninja Scooter said:
They beat the Mavs twice pretty convincingly in the second half of the season. WTF changed between those games and this series is what I want to know.
The Lakers looked like the team that won back to back titles for the first two quarters of the series, but that squad was never heard from again.
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While I believe the Clips will be the ascendant team in LA for the foreseeable future, I'm not sure the pick will pan out that much nor am I sure we'll keep it. I keep hearing rumblings of the pick possibly going to the Suxers as part of an Iggy swap.
Also, if the Wolves get Count Bismack, I believe they will be a force with which the league must reckon.
Also, if the Wolves get Count Bismack, I believe they will be a force with which the league must reckon.
I couldn't say that with a straight face. 
Sorry, Rodeo.
Sorry, Rodeo.Ninja Scooter
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reilo said:
None of those guys have played an extra 70 games in the least 3 seasons. That shit catches up to you. Age in the NBA is more of a games played thing than a years alive thing. Kobe is only 32 and looks like he's pushing 40. You are smarter than that, Reilo.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Dirk is still in his prime because of having a quality body and quality conditioning, Pau is not probably for opposite reasons. Chandler took the last two years off and Bynum plays like he's 36.
Herpes Reasons
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khloe wouldn't mind relocating to south beach.ecnal said:
Rodeo Clown
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Yeah, they might crack 20 wins. Glen "I don't give a single fuck" Taylor will reward everyone with contract extensions.Adam Blade said:Also, if the Wolves get Count Bismack, I believe they will be a force with which the league must reckon.I couldn't say that with a straight face.
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Puddles said:
No, but you've surely made me stupid by reading yours.
It's kind of sad, because Kobe used to be the one breaking all those "Youngest to 10k points" and "Youngest to 20k points" records.
Now he's going for "Youngest to look completely washed up without suffering a major injury".
Feels bad, man.
Arguing that the 2007 Phoenix Suns who won 61 games were better than the 2011 Mavs who won 57 is a stupid enough argument that it makes people who read it stupid? Is that what you're saying?
Now he's going for "Youngest to look completely washed up without suffering a major injury".
Feels bad, man.
The Stealth Fox said:
Arguing that the 2007 Phoenix Suns who won 61 games were better than the 2011 Mavs who won 57 is a stupid enough argument that it makes people who read it stupid? Is that what you're saying?
Yeah, okay. Every time somebody throws out a reason as to why the Lakers might have won or lost a game, you throw out a bullshit "but what about point xyz?" So all of the sudden me making the counter-point is not a valid argument, but yours is? The Lakers didn't give a fuck. It was evident the moment they lost Game 1 to the Hornets. That's not an excuse, it's just an observation.Ninja Scooter said:
Then again, it's funny seeing Lakers fans all of the sudden throw out the "old and fatigued" argument after they argued tirelessly that the Lakers would be atop of the world for a good three more seasons last summer.
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YuriLowell
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reilo said:
Why do you open those wounds up?
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reilo said:
Yeah because no Laker fans were saying that they looked old and tired all season. that just came out of thin air this week. There is no counter point. I'm not going to say they didn't give a fuck. They coasted through the season, but they did that for parts of last season too and got it done, did they win a title while not giving a fuck? No. They just couldn't flip the switch anymore. It doesn't always have to do with some sensationalist TMZ bullshit drama people like to buy into. Maybe this team just wasn't good enough to win a title this year. Isn't that possible? Did your Blazers lose because LaMarcus Aldridge fucked ANdre Miller's wife? Or did they just get beat?
SUPREME1 said:
Seriously. Laker haters seem to be having worse meltdowns than Laker fans. All logic going out the window. Take a deep breath, guys.
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Shouldnt all this lakers mourning be in the offseason thread? Just sayin'
The Stealth Fox
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It's hilarious because people had trouble selling tickets for Game 2 at Staples according to the BS report.
Worst fanbase ever (yes, worse than Miami).
The last thing Phil heard at Staples was a bunch of boos. Your team is garbage, your fanbase is garbage, and you have nothing to live for. Go watch shitty baseball or something.
Worst fanbase ever (yes, worse than Miami).
The last thing Phil heard at Staples was a bunch of boos. Your team is garbage, your fanbase is garbage, and you have nothing to live for. Go watch shitty baseball or something.
cuevas. PhD.
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The Stealth Fox said:
Why you trollin' like that?
Ninja Scooter
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The Stealth Fox said:
Man that anecdotal evidence consisting of one guy on StubHub is rock solid. Good detective work, Stealth.
YuriLowell
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dIEHARD said:
This is your best post ever.
The Stealth Fox
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Ninja Scooter said:
Booing Phil's last game at Staples? LAKERS TIME
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Well, with such a disgusting year of Arizona sports, at least there was a happy alternate ending with the Lakers and Spurs getting eliminated early. The broom treatment is a nice touch.
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The Stealth Fox said:
Team deserved to be boo'd, last game or not. They played like garbage. Real fans would boo a team playing like that. Casual fans wouldn't give a fuck and just cheer regardless. So which is it? Are the Laker fans bandwagon or not? Or does it just depend on which bullshit argument you are trying to make?
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Ninja Scooter said:
Its hard to direct boos at certain people.
Bynum and Gasol should be booed. They just gave up, and didn't even bother to play.
dIEHARD said:
This needs to be thought about throughly.
They weren't saying that last summer, that's for fucking sure. There were countless arguments as to how much of a window the Lakers had. Plenty said not long, and Lakers fans were irate saying they had at least another three seasons in them at a championship caliber level.Ninja Scooter said:
The fact that Lakers fans suddenly started realizing it halfway through the season is cool and all, but don't pretend that Lakers fans weren't all about "we told you they'd flip the switch! Threepeat, bitches! Plan the parade! All over my face!" after they reeled off like 18 of 20 wins after the ASG.
Me saying they didn't give a fuck and had other priorities doesn't necessarily require a TMZ-based argument one bit. Plenty of teams with super high talent suddenly don't start giving a fuck when shit hits the fan. Just look at the Cavaliers before Lebron left. It's a domino effect.
I haven't made that argument, anyhow. Pau turning into a bitch in the playoffs, is again, an observation, not an excuse nor argument. Lamar being a no-show in games 2 and 4, is again, an observation, not an excuse nor argument. We don't even have to go into Fisher's play and Artest's stupidity or Bynum's inconsistency.
You managed to get all of those guys to buy into the gameplan for two rings, what changed? None of those guys suffered any debilitating injuries -- although I will buy that Kobe is fatigued. But the others? I don't buy it.
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Pat Riley gave the Heat a motivational speech today after their shoot around. ITS ON MOTHERFUCKERS.
The Frankman
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Y'know Lakers fans you really should be heading to the offseason thread. We planning a party for you guys! We gonna discuss the NBA draft and possible trades you can make... not to mention coaching replacements (Mike Brown is available)...
Don't worry, I've warned the Jazz fans not to be mean.
Don't worry, I've warned the Jazz fans not to be mean.
The Stealth Fox
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Ninja Scooter said:
It's not like anyone should be aware that Game 2 was likely his last game at Staples. You'd think they'd be cheering on Phil for giving them 5 championships.
Leave it to the bandwagoners to completely forget and downright dishonor history.
Laker fans are bandwagoners. You should know this. Horrible fanbase that I'd never want to be associated with.
YuriLowell
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ToyMachine228 said:
Bosh with 6 pts and 4 boards in 35 mins of play.
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reilo said:
JVG also.
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