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2012 NBA Mar |OT2| The Manhattan Project Part II: Blow It All Up, Again
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ClovingWestbrook
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Honestly, I have a hard time believing Kobe would be willing to give up some of his control even with CP3. Now, CP3 doesn't give a shit and would do what he'd have to do, but still.
StickSoldier
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Thunder big three are better than Miami big three. That's awesome.
I can't believe i'm agreeing to this....but yes.
EDIT: After our whooping last night...no doubt. If only kobe would let sessions go off a little bit. He didn't even attempt a three pointer and didn't seem agressive at all. He really needs to come off the bench.The harden model is the best.
I could see them getting testy each other but Kobe respects Chris enough to defer
ClovingWestbrook
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I don't know man. I'd like to think so but...
I don't know man. I'd like to think so but...
CherryWoodFuton
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What a load of crap
At best they're about even
Durant > Lebron
Wade>Dumbrook
Bosh=Ibaka
Durant > Lebron
Wade>Dumbrook
Bosh=Ibaka
Yeah, no.
I think harden is the third piece of the puzzle.
EDIT: On record. Either Spurs or Miami are winning this year.
i think he meant harden lol
Yeah.
If Kobe would just get off his "IMDAGODOFSUCCESSATSUCCESSATSUCCESS" shit and allow his two premier bigs to set the tone of the game, imagine how much easier life would be in LA.
Lin is out again tonight, Knicks-age.
Also: Woodson says he doesn't know when, or if, Lin and Amar'e will return.
https://twitter.com/#!/FisolaNYDN/statuses/185749856306987009
Probably just didn't think his answer through before speaking, but that is a little scary.
Also: Woodson says he doesn't know when, or if, Lin and Amar'e will return.
https://twitter.com/#!/FisolaNYDN/statuses/185749856306987009
Probably just didn't think his answer through before speaking, but that is a little scary.
StickSoldier
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I think Cherry was making a joke, right?
CherryWoodFuton
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Well then Harden>>>>>>>>Chamlerz, Dumbcole,Battier,James (why am I riding pine? Jones, etc
is this a trap troll
ClovingWestbrook
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That's why it's so infuriating watching these Lakers. It was one thing when the Lakers were winning with Kobe and Shaq because Kobe, though he'd go crazy at times, he was still playing within the system with Shaq. Same for the most part for the first few years after Pau arrived. But now that Bynum has been healthy and dominating, it's time for Kobe to hand off the ball.
CherryWoodFuton
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Wade would totally be the best SG in the NBA right now if he actually gave a fuck.
ThisWreckage
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No it wouldn't. Kobe is not going to defer to anyone despite how talented they are.
obijkenobi
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While I agree with you, I'm trying to keep the internal hype down, especially after Manu became one armed-Manu ON THE LAST GAME OF THE SEASON last year in a freak injury :/
Miami could be one of the greatest teams put together if LBJ and Wade decided to give a consistent fuck. But "Fuck's Given"/FsG are becoming a quantitative entity these days...
StickSoldier
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I'd take Harden over any SG right now.
Is he sitting right next to you or something?
If you're building for the future, perhaps. But this season or the next? No way
ClovingWestbrook
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Harden truly is what gives Oklahoma the edge over most teams in the playoffs. I still feel that Miami is a lock to win this thing but Harden off the bench is amazing.
This season, its a really, really close toss-up.
Next year? At the rate of Harden's improvement and Wade's skirt shrinkage? Harden easy.
For this year? Hell no. Harden thrives as a third option but he doesn't make as many teams contenders as Wade would.
I would take him too. He's young and durable. Wade isn't young nor is he durable.
Harden does more for his team than Wade does.
Hell, Wade is probably the better player overall - but as someone else says, his fuck level has been dangerously low. And, imo, Harden would help Miami more than Wade would too*
*outside of Wade clutch factor
ClovingWestbrook
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I don't think some folks realize the significance of Harden coming off the bench.
Yea but Wade has Lebron, while Harden has KD. Somebody has to do alot more than score for OKC considering their lack of a PG. But with one shot left in a game I doubt many people would pick Harden over Wade.
StickSoldier
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Doesn't even have to be about building the future, he's freakin awesome this year. The guy is scary when he has the ball in his hand, he has so many ways to initiate an offense. His game reminds me so much of Ginobili, except Harden has the talent to be better than he was.
I honestly do not think they can get by the spurs in 7 games. Spurs is like the big 12 right now. And pop will run circles around brooks.
I'm all too ready to meet any bet with a -respectable- LA-age member should SA and LA meet in the playoffs.
Wade is clutch as fuck.
But even most Miami fans can see that Harden does more off-ball than Wade ever has in his life. Or could hope to. He'd complement LBJ a hell of a lot better. Harden is playing better ball than Ginobli during those SAS title runs.
Wade is clutch as fuck.
But even most Miami fans can see that Harden does more off-ball than Wade ever has in his life. Or could hope to. He'd complement LBJ a hell of a lot better. Harden is playing better ball than Ginobli during those SAS title runs.
I honestly doesn't think its that big. Miami for example plays Lebron( sometimes Bosh) with the second unit, which is usually when Harden comes in initially. Lebron/Bosh can feast on opponents second units just like Harden.
CherryWoodFuton
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Put Wade on a shitty team and bet he'll make them squeek by into the playoffs. The problem with him now is that he has Lebron and Bosh which was a hell of a lot more help than Shaq was (also he was hungry as fuck for a ring). Harden is good but I doubt he'a "make your lottery team into a contender" good.
ClovingWestbrook
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Not that I am a huge believer in the home court edge BUT at times it can be an assistant even just a mental edge. OKC will benefit from HCA through the playoffs. As good as the Spurs are playing, I still take the OKC in a 7 game series.
Well you already know I'd take the Spurs and it's not like I have anything to bet now anyways
Yeah... but Harden's minutes can easily tell you that he's not just spending time on the floor against bench mob scrubs. Him stepping into the game is what makes OKC the threat they are. With just KD and Westbrook, I'd never take them over SAS or even Memphis.
Red Blaster
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Hardon is gud but he's not a first option. Wade is lazy and old but he's still a first option.
OKC will painfully regret the day they gave YNB the max and not Hardon
OKC will painfully regret the day they gave YNB the max and not Hardon
Not that I am a huge believer in the home court edge BUT at times it can be an assistant even just a mental edge. OKC will benefit from HCA through the playoffs. As good as the Spurs are playing, I still take the OKC in a 7 game series.
Well you already know I'd take the Spurs and it's not like I have anything to bet now anyways
That's assuming they still have homecourt advantage at the end of the season but i see what you mean. The problem with OKC, as was exposed by the lakers is their inside the paint scoring is not very good. Obviously lakers have a better defensive presence but nonetheless. Spurs do not have the kind of scoring droughts the laker's are plagued by
Of course. LBJ/Wade are first options that are desperatley trying to parade as 2nd ones while Harden never will be one and is comfortable playing as a second fiddle. Its not a slate though if you think im tryin to diss em. Just how it is.
Harden's been lucky enough to develop on a good team from day one. I don't think you can really hold that against him though.
Nobody has said anything false on this page but like Cherry said is Harden going to lead a squad of scrubs to the playoffs? I doubt it
He has great game but I wouldn't call him "best SG" until he actually has to shoulder that kind of responsibility
Now if Durant or Westbrook went out and he lit it up night after night then we're talking
He has great game but I wouldn't call him "best SG" until he actually has to shoulder that kind of responsibility
Now if Durant or Westbrook went out and he lit it up night after night then we're talking
Yeah sure im not trying to say otherwise. Its just that him coming off the bench is not that big of an impact in comparison to him possibly starting.
I can't disagree with that - but Ginobli never did that. Neither did Roy. That isn't a bad way to measure a guy, but when a guy's skill is that obvious its really hard to hold that against him.
reggieandTFE
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Hey Bulls-GAF, what are you hearing about Rose playing Sunday? I know he's not going to come back against the Pistons tonight, but OKC is a big game.
ClovingWestbrook
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This is just me but if the Bulls keep winning, I keep Rose out until 5-10 games before the playoffs. Now, obviously if the Bulls begin losing the edge on Miami than you bring him back as long as he is healthy but otherwise, whats the rush?
Bulls could rest rose all the way to the playoffs and still be the number one seed....Think about that for a moment. Kobe, where are you're basketball deities now? Huh? Huh?
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