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[ClovingWestbrook]

If Kobe showed in his career that he was as good and as skilled as MJ, how the fuck was he overrated by people calling him the next MJ?

Ugh, DURING THE FIRST FEW YEARS OF THE MJ COMPARISONS, HE WAS OVERRATED IN THAT CONTEXT.

And no, he isn't as good as MJ. Sorry.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

If Kobe showed in his career that he was as good and as skilled as MJ, how the fuck was he overrated by people calling him the next MJ?

Cause it took him 3 1/2 years to reach his first Finals.

Clearly, he should have been there Year One like Jeffrey was.

And no, he isn't as good as MJ. Sorry.

Of course not but you tell me who is the next closest thing since Jefferson passed his magical shoes to Bow Wow.

 

[Gabyskra]

Being in Europe I don't follow NBA but Sara Jay will offer bjs to all her tweeter followers if Miami Heat wins.
Go Heat!

I wouldn't touch her anyway, but that's one more reason to cheer against sexually repressed Heat fans.

 

[linsivvi]

Yes, playoffs 2001 were impressive. I'm not sure you realize I was saying it took Kobe years to be elite, years after being compared to Jordan (which is the main discussion here, if you can call it that), and you argue that it happened one year earlier than what i was saying? Relax.

The problem with you is that you're arguing against yourself. You said Kobe was overrated by the media early in his career, which is indisputable. You could've just mentioned the media buzz during the ASG and that should be the end of it. But then you start saying MVP voting and All-NBA team selections. Guess who made those votes? You can't be overrated and underrated by the same people at the same time.

Also, bringing in career underachievers Grant Hill and T-Mac into the argument doesn't help your case.

 

[Gabyskra]

You said Kobe was overrated by the media early in his career, which is indisputable.

Apparently it's not indisputable. Cloving, I'm even more tired now.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Cause it took him 3 1/2 years to reach his first Finals.

Clearly, he should have been there Year One like Jeffrey was.



Of course not but you tell me who is the next closest thing since Jefferson passed his magical shoes to Bow Wow.

Oh, I agree, he's definitely the closest to MJ we've seen which is a huge accomplishment in of its own.

 

[iamshadowlark]

Ugh, DURING THE FIRST FEW YEARS OF THE MJ COMPARISONS, HE WAS OVERRATED IN THAT CONTEXT.

And no, he isn't as good as MJ. Sorry.

No. He was being billed as the next MJ, meaning that in a few years time he would play at MJ's level. Which he did. Where's the overating? He wasn't being called as good as MJ then, he was being called the next in line(Along with alot of other players).


also, MJ would choke a bitch to have some of the skills kobe has.

 

[linsivvi]

Apparently it's not indisputable. Cloving, I'm even more tired now.

Because you moved the goal post from starting in the all star game all the way to AFTER the 3 peat, and only then he was as good as Grant Hill. That is ridiculous.

 

[Emwitus]

If Kobe showed in his career that he was as good and as skilled as MJ, how the fuck was he overrated by people calling him the next MJ?

Haven't you heard, gotta average 35ppg outta the gate coming off the bench and take your team to TEH championshipsssssss.

 

[Red Blaster]

Why are you guys wasting your breath about some wiener like Kobe when there's news of Top 3 Western Conference point guard Kyle Lowry refusing to play for Kevin McHale

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

No. He was being billed as the next MJ, meaning that in a few years time he would play at MJ's level. Which he did. Where's the overating? He wasn't being called as good as MJ then, he was being called the next in line(Along with alot of other players).


also, MJ would choke a bitch to have some of the skills kobe has.

In terms of crazy shots that nobody not named Jesus Christ should make? Kobe
Long range? Kobe
Defense? MJ
Showing up in big games? MJ
Footwork? Kobe
Consistency? MJ

Thats how I see it.

 

[Gabyskra]

Because you moved the goal post from starting in the all star game all the way to AFTER the 3 peat, and only then he was as good as Grant Hill. That is ridiculous.

In 2003, the reason he was not overrated anymore is because he raised his level immensely and also because nobody compared him to Jordan anymore as his story was so different, having played with such a dominant big man... The discussion was tired. He had never won a MVP trophy, regular season or Finals... At that point, he was compared to other current wing players, and he was the best. When did he win his MVP, 2008, right? Same year as the Olympics... 11 years into his career, at that point everyone has realized that this generation was Duncan's generation. Only people who like Red Tails would think that Kobe's career approaches MJ's. It's not about moving goal posts, it's an assessment of what is a fair judgement of his career at a given point in time. Obviously some people like to think retroactively, so there is a discussion to be had about contexts.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Why are you guys wasting your breath about some wiener like Kobe when there's news of Top 3 Western Conference point guard Kyle Lowry refusing to play for Kevin McHale

This is the best post of the morning.

Actually made me laugh out loud.

Most Improved Poster of 2012 - Red Blaster

 

[linsivvi]

11 years into his career, at that point everyone has realized that this generation was Duncan's generation.

Citation needed.

 

[Gabyskra]

Why are you guys wasting your breath about some wiener like Kobe when there's news of Top 3 Western Conference point guard Kyle Lowry refusing to play for Kevin McHale

He knows Goran is better. Good business move on his part, for his next contract.

 

[iamshadowlark]

In terms of crazy shots that nobody not named Jesus Christ should make? Kobe
Long range? Kobe
Defense? MJ
Showing up in big games? MJ
Footwork? Kobe
Consistency? MJ

Thats how I see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vukMoNEtkBQ

I never have given a fuck about the lakers, but when you see a guy doing some of this shit IDK how you can not want to watch more as a basketball fan.

 

[Gabyskra]

Citation needed.

I don't have a horse in this race, I've never rooted for a player that was better than just second best at his position... If you're arguing semantics, I know some Lakers fans will disagree obviously, so it's not true that everyone think that Tim has been the defining player of this generation...

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

In 2003, the reason he was not overrated anymore is because he raised his level immensely and also because nobody compared him to Jordan anymore as his story was so different, having played with such a dominant big man... The discussion was tired. He had never won a MVP trophy, regular season or Finals... At that point, he was compared to other current wing players, and he was the best. When did he win his MVP, 2008, right? Same year as the Olympics... 11 years into his career, at that point everyone has realized that this generation was Duncan's generation. Only people who like Red Tails would think that Kobe's career approaches MJ's. It's not about moving goal posts, it's an assessment of what is a fair judgement of his career at a given point in time. Obviously some people like to think retroactively, so there is a discussion to be had about contexts.

If the Spurs win this year than I would be more inclined to give the generation to Duncan in terms of pure 'greatness' and accomplishments. But as a single dominant player? Give me Kobe.

 

[darkside31337]

Why are you guys wasting your breath about some wiener like Kobe when there's news of Top 3 Western Conference point guard Kyle Lowry refusing to play for Kevin McHale

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=72knv3w

Sounds good.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vukMoNEtkBQ

I never have given a fuck about the lakers, but when you see a guy doing some of this shit IDK how you can not want to watch more as a basketball fan.

FUCK YOU. Now I am back to mourning prime Kobe being replaced by Old Snake

 

[ryutaro's mama]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=72knv3w

Sounds good.

Who says no?

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Look at this shit Red Tails!

 

[ryutaro's mama]

FUCK YOU. Now I am back to mourning prime Kobe being replaced by Old Snake

2004-05 was such a horrible year.

The Rudy T Era.

 

[Zep]

Good thing kobe got off the roids.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Good thing kobe got off the roids.

I'm rooting for you tonight, BFF.

<3

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

2004-05 was such a horrible year.

The Rudy T Era.

Don't remind me. At least in 1994 we had Nick the Quick and we hadn't come off of a near four chips in five years. Ugh.

 

[Zep]

I'm rooting for you tonight, BFF.

<3

Tonight we will defeat racism.

Spoiler

and have someone take a shit on KG's bed

 

[Emwitus]

Look at this shit Red Tails!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAMTD7_XAec&feature=related

EVEN better.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Don't remind me. At least in 1994 we had Nick the Quick and we hadn't come off of a near four chips in five years. Ugh.

In an unrelated note, even though we didn't win "4 Chick" in 2003, I'm glad that he was able to leave this world a champion.

Love Chicky Baby.

 

[Red Blaster]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=72knv3w

Sounds good.

I was thinking of the MIP straight up but even the Wizard isn't dumb enough to get fooled by Ryan Garrity's fraudulent stats

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAMTD7_XAec&feature=related

EVEN better.

My god. When athletes say that the game slows down for them as they get older, you can see it in action right there. Thats some Neo seeing Smiths in slowmo shit.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Tons of hall of fame players in all sports never win a ring. Its not an indictment on them personally and you can't claim the stats are empty. It happens. Lebron with all his talent and the team he is playing for should win at least 1 title but if he doesn't it won't be because he isn't good or because its empty stats.

The best basketball players win titles. That's why people continually point out Barkley's and Ewing's failures -- because not winning when you're that good is an anomaly.

Still, LeBron is a phenomenal player. I get pissed when people overrate him because it's not necessary. He's an unstoppable offensive force when he drives to the basket (dunking or passing to the open man), and he's a premier defender.

 

[DY_nasty]

dat footwork

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

dat footwork

Hahaha

 

[iamshadowlark]

Fuck it

Wade ain't to shabby

 

[CrazyDogg77]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=72knv3w

Sounds good.

This is actually a pretty good trade.

 

[Zep]

dat footwork

Hop steps confuse lebron.

 

[linsivvi]

This is actually a pretty good trade.

Orlando Rockets and Houston Magic?

 

[SamuraiX-]

I was considering asking an ESPN Insider here to post David Thorpe's Sacramento Kings Team Needs article until...

There is talent here; Evans improved in his third season, becoming a solid forward with good ball skills

kill yo self

 

[Gigglepoo]

Howard isn't going to want to be traded alongside any of his loser teammates.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Kobe was very overrated. He had no business being in the 1998 ASG. He was not that good a defender his first few years either.

I don't think that word means what you think it does.

My god. When athletes say that the game slows down for them as they get older, you can see it in action right there. Thats some Neo seeing Smiths in slowmo shit.

Hahaha.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Fuck it

Wade ain't to shabby

Fuck my eyes are transfixed. I don't know how anyone can watch this video and not fall in love with basketball.

 

[Red Blaster]

This is actually a pretty good trade.

Maybe if you want to enjoy a 42 win team for 4 years

Also it's funny that people keep thinking how beneficial it is for Orlando to move Dudu and Hedouche's contracts without realizing they both only have one year of guaranteed money left.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Howard isn't going to want to be traded alongside any of his loser teammates.

Howard will continue to be a loserbro until he finds a true alpha to partner up with.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Howard will continue to be a loserbro until he finds a true alpha to partner up with.

True Alpha? Kobe would turn Howard into Kwame Brown 2.0.

 

[Nori Chan]

prime kobe

you assholes now im going to go to youtube to watch these games


ill start off with kobe's 42 points at the half against wizard jordan

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

prime kobe

you assholes now im going to go to youtube to watch these games


ill start off with kobe's 42 points at the half against wizard jordan

Its fucking depressing. I want Mamba black, not Old Snake

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Fuck it

Wade ain't to shabby

Wade and Rose learned ballet sarcastically at a young age.

Its fucking depressing. I want Mamba black, not Old Snake

Even for old snake did you ever imagine last off season he would still be this amazing? I thought for sure this season was going to be the season we started to see his engine sputter.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

True Alpha? Kobe would turn Howard into Kwame Brown 2.0.

Naw, Kobe is overrated.

And he isn't the only alpha in the NBA...

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Wade and Rose learned ballet sarcastically at a young age.



Even for old snake did you ever imagine last off season he would still be this amazing? I thought for sure this season was going to be the season we started to see his engine sputter.

His engine has sputtered. FG%. Can't take over like he use to. Careless passing. Its just that hes such a great player that even with his engine getting older its still better than 99% of the rest of the crowd.