Lin for Melo or Tyson. Not both.
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2012 NBA Preseason |OT| The Rich Get Richer, The Poor Get Rasheed Wallace
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Lin for Melo or Tyson. Not both.
iamshadowlark
Banned
frontcourt of westbrook?
The Stealth Fox
Junior Member
If Lin doesn't pan out, the structure of his deal is very forgiving. Of course Morey doesn't see Lin as an asset right now.
Red Blaster
Member
Lin will be traded back to the Knicks eventually
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Jazz in 6
lololol
Ibaka is trash. Perkins is trash. Collison can't play the minutes you require and he just lost Harden. Reggie Jackson is just another scrub. PJ3 is a bum with timebombs in his knees.
But you do have flexibility. Harden leaving a gaping hole in your roster is something you'll try to explain a way for a while, but that void is going to stay there. Its big. Its not going to be something you adjust to like Joe leaving the Suns. Its much bigger.
But good luck with Ibaka. Ibaka > Harden. GJ. GE.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Gondo come on man, you said Harden was going to stay that he valued his friends and OKC more than a couple million. That was wrong.
Now you're just being delusional. The Thunder are a 5-6 type seed now in the West. They have no chance of winning a title.
Now you're just being delusional. The Thunder are a 5-6 type seed now in the West. They have no chance of winning a title.
iamshadowlark
Banned
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
True. That goes to the Rockets.
This means Harden is the top 3 player then, not Durant lol.
Why you hating on the the shimmy shake?
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Not really. Dropoff from like 2 to 5 in the west is about 6 wins at most.
theignoramus
Member
at worst they get a 4th seed.the Clippers wont stay healthy.
He will get the green light so at minimal should be able to put up big empty stats.
iamshadowlark
Banned
This. Grizzlies don't look any less overrated than they did last year. I can see them beating SA again in a series too.
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
Randolph wasn't healthy and Memphis still got the 4 seed. They'll be good.
The Stealth Fox
Junior Member
I'm still pissed that we let go of Dragic for Lin.
Yeah... Dragic and Harden would've been good. I'm hyped for Patterson though.
Randolph was hurt almost the entire year.
Randolph was hurt almost the entire year.
Red Blaster
Member
Still not getting the logic of people slamming Houston for doing this deal. They've been going nowhere for years and as constructed before the trade they were like a 32 win team and not as bad as the Magic or Bobcats. Unlike Roy Hibbert or Brook Lopez, Harden is a legit Top 20 player and is improving. Not only that, the Rockets become much more attractive for a second star.
The Stealth Fox
Junior Member
How do they have flexibility even with Harden gone? All they probably wanted to do was avoid paying the tax, right? Look at all that money they wasted on Perkins and Ibaka. They still have 59 mil in salary through 2014-2015.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
How does this make them appealing to a second star? Because they have Harden? They still have Lin which negates any positive momentum to attract other big free agents.
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
Exactly. He didn't look like himself in the playoffs.
And getting rid of Mayo means more minutes for Tony Allen, which is good.
Colonel Nasty
Member
With Lin / Harden we'll at least be back in the spotlight. Someome will take that tax free max.
Lin brings you China money.
Which is even better than American money. Shit, just look what Yao did for McGrady.
Also, Lin is no all-star - but he's a perfectly fine above average and young point guard. He's got a ways to go, but he's not a "bad" player to have.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
It brings you cash but that doesnt equate to big time free agents. If reports are true, Lin wasnt loved by the Knicks players so not sure how you can be confident he wouldnt damage the Rockets chances with other big time players.
StickSoldier
Member
So I'm just thinking here but could this possibly be one of the greatest offseason the NBA has ever seen? This trade just topped it off for me honestly; I can't think of any other offseason that has left such an impression on me.
But the Knicks are one of the most dysfunctional organizations in sports. When they say that he doesn't fit in, it should be a ringing endorsement.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Lin is a good player with massive marketing. Lin and Harden together means somebody else is going to shit ton of good looks. Who wouldn't want to play with that?
Honestly I don't put any stock into that shit. I'd imagine some of them, mainly Melo, have a ton of resentment that some no name guy gets some playing time and became a bigger star in a month than he was in a year and a half. And a bunch of Knicks thought he was milking an injury for cash which was really moronic.
But at least he seems to get along quite well with Chandler Parsons at least. Quite well.
Boombloxer
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Just heard and that's pretty shocking--I thought you guys would hold onto him.
Martin/Westbrook/Maynor backcourt is disaster movie potential. I like Maynor, but you know who's getting the lionshare of the minutes.
Ibaka > Harden. Wow.
Costly move.
Raptors are bad but they aren't going to be 4th pick bad. I'm guessing the pick will be around 10. Last year we got #8 pick and we should be a lot better barring any injuries.
Thunder lose the trade IMO. Harden is a young all star... he's able to score and handle the ball. Now with the green light to score and increase in responsiblity, I expect that his stats/production will improve significantly. Lamb is a decent prospect but who knows exactly how he'll pan out, and I doubt he'll be as good as Harden. And the picks are also pretty unknown and I doubt they'll lead to an elite player.
However, the trade isn't THAT bad because at least the Thunder are getting some decent return. Their roster is more stacked and their bench is potentially deeper with Lamb, Martin, PJIII. The trade could really turn out to be in their favour in the future but they REALLY should have been looking to win now. If it was up to me I would think they should have been looking to trade Westbrook instead or not have signed Ibaka to that contract if they knew they wouldn't be able to offer Harden max.
Thunder lose the trade IMO. Harden is a young all star... he's able to score and handle the ball. Now with the green light to score and increase in responsiblity, I expect that his stats/production will improve significantly. Lamb is a decent prospect but who knows exactly how he'll pan out, and I doubt he'll be as good as Harden. And the picks are also pretty unknown and I doubt they'll lead to an elite player.
However, the trade isn't THAT bad because at least the Thunder are getting some decent return. Their roster is more stacked and their bench is potentially deeper with Lamb, Martin, PJIII. The trade could really turn out to be in their favour in the future but they REALLY should have been looking to win now. If it was up to me I would think they should have been looking to trade Westbrook instead or not have signed Ibaka to that contract if they knew they wouldn't be able to offer Harden max.
Red Blaster
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Because they have the best young shooting guard in the league.
Rockets have almost 13 million in caproom next summer if they dump all non-guaranteed players and let go of Johnson and Hayward. With a couple more minor moves they can add another max player.
I see it this way too. Morey was spinning his wheels for the last few years, waiting to make his move. He finally did it. If Harden doesn't like the spotlight, then it's a good situation b/c Lin will be the one that gets it. It's going to finally be a season where fans can invest, knowing the guys on the court will be there the following season
The Stealth Fox
Junior Member
I have been way too busy, but I'm getting updated on all the changes in the offseason.
The Lakers literally have 5 players on their roster that are worth mentioning.
Jamison is awful. Blake is awful. Artest is awful. Is Dwight, Pau, or Nash ever going to get rest? They have Meeks and Jordan Hill as their bench. Holy crap. That is a top heavy roster. I know you don't need to be deep in the playoffs, but really? Their bench is even worse than last year.
The Lakers literally have 5 players on their roster that are worth mentioning.
Jamison is awful. Blake is awful. Artest is awful. Is Dwight, Pau, or Nash ever going to get rest? They have Meeks and Jordan Hill as their bench. Holy crap. That is a top heavy roster. I know you don't need to be deep in the playoffs, but really? Their bench is even worse than last year.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
I enjoy seeing Gondo evolve as a NBAGAF poster, now he gets to pretend that Harden leaving is not a big deal.
Anyways, sorry Ive been away, havent had time to get into the NBA like most years .... But Im back now
Anyways, sorry Ive been away, havent had time to get into the NBA like most years .... But Im back now
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Why you gotta do this?
I wonder if Orlando tried to get Harden at all. Henny was probably busy twiddling his thumbs or some shit. Then again I doubt Harden would even sign an extension with this fucking organization.
That trade will always perplex me. Morey said he offered more than LA. And Orlando's GM wouldn't do a trade w/o Howard's agent's blessing. Seems like the party least represented by the guy was the team he general manages for
StickSoldier
Member
If only Dwight wanted to go there..
Red Blaster
Member
Most players don't tank their own value by being a cancer.
There was no consensus on what Houston's offer for Dwight actually was but it definitely wasn't as good as that one rumor that Morey offered all their of their 1st rounders this year + cap relief.
Syphon Filter
Member
you're kidding me right.
lol
He's a serviceable point guard. That's all. He just looks a lot better than he is because he gets to follow Shotcrook's act.
Who the fuck?
PJ3 couldn't even carry the offensive load back at Baylor.
Boombloxer
Member
Yea, I never understood this--the player is entitled to as much money as is offered by the market, period. Any pro player has a shortened window to make the majority of their income and deals, you take that ball and you run with it. I'm always on the player's side for that.
And thanks, OKC, for replacing strength with weakness.
This really hurts both teams. Harden is perfect as the spark plug off the bench, not as the lead dog. Plus, now that they only have two scorers, they're easier to defend, and the team is going to struggle mightily when one (or both) is on the bench. And if there's an injury...
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