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2013 Mar NBA Season lOT| Change This Face, Be Happy, Enjoy it!
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Dominican Power
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And if he signs for 4 years 60 Mil?
ryutaro's mama
Member
What? You think they are playing down to the competition?
So you hate Kobe personally, not as a basketball player?
Lol not true. Asking Laker fans who grew up watching him to trash him is like asking 80's Celtics fans to Bash Bird or Russell. It's silly. Jazz-Age jump to Malone's and Stockton's defense and overrate them like crazy, but I wouldn't expect anything different or blame them for doing that. Ditto for Laker Fans and Magic or 90's Bulls fans and Jordan. Rockets fans and Hakeem, etc.
Kobe's situation goes like this: Super Fans think he's a top 5 all time player. Normal Objective people see him as a top 10 all time player. People who hate him think he's outside the top 10 and debate whether T Mac or Dirk were better. Just silliness.
RellyRell28
Banned
Lol how did Ellis make that shot
LegendofJoe
Member
Has Mo Will been this god awful all season?
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
I just think he is a douche, but a great player.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Jazz may be playing terribly, but they're playing really hard as well. Not sure if that's a positive though...
Yes.
Yes.
Knux-Future
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wat the wat
Psychological Intellect
Banned
damn jrue
Psychological Intellect
Banned
holy fuck birdman
i love you
i love you
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
I don't think he is a top 5 player, he is a top 5 winner if that makes sense. But he is pretty much a top 10 player. At worst top 15... and TMac might have been better than Kobe for like 2 years of his shattered career.. But Tmac is like a top 80 player so it isn't even comparable..
Fans overrate players to a degree we all do.. But there is a point where you have to say so and so is who I like the best but he isn't the best
Dominican Power
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Miami wins 60 games easily.
ryutaro's mama
Member
GTFOOH.
I didn't "grow up" watching Kobe but I have watched him for his entire career. I can and have critiqued the hell out of him.
He's far from perfect.
Plays hard, wants to win, ultra competitive, gifted but not the ideal team mate, doesn't know how to consistently motivate in a positive manner and childish at times.
Put it like this: I'm a fan of Kobe because he's a Laker, not the other way around.
Knux-Future
Banned
In Before LeBron Shang Tsung's our souls
Dominican Power
Member
KD needs to do a better job of taking care of the damn ball.
Everyone by definition is far from perfect. Even MJ was a ball hog and not the ideal team mate. The point is, If you came of age watching Jordan, Bird, Magic, Russell, Hakeem, Kobe on your favorite team for 10-15 years. You're not going to have the same opinions about that person as the normal objective fan that doesn't have that kind of sentiment. I don't think Kobe's perfect either, he can shoot poorly at times and he does shoot his team out of games at times and he isn't the best teammate either. But none of those things are going to be the focus of the things I think when I think of him.
Put it this way. Are you going to remember Jordan hoisting 35 FGA in game 6 1998 and shooting below 43%? or Are you going to remember the shot and his 6th ring?
Psychological Intellect
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getting interesting....
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
At this point even if he was traded he will always be a Laker... Like the Dream, Mailman, GP, and Pat are to their old teams... And I like debates about players like how important defense is at the PG position and so on, but it gets silly thinking you can't realistically look at a player without bashing him..
Dominican Power
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Perkins is so fucking pathetic.
Black Mamba
Member
Wow Howard 4th foul on a clean strip.
Knux-Future
Banned
None of this matters.
Moral Victory.
We minor league yo
Moral Victory.
We minor league yo
Perks is horribad.
brianjones
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lakers...
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
lol Jordan shot .429% and was 12 for 15 from the line with 45 points.. nothing shameful about that stat line at all... that has to be the worst example I have heard in awhile
Black Mamba
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This would be such a horrible loss. I thought they night lose when their normal team would play but against this C squad would be a wasted opportunity.
This is what happenes when you have almost no room for error.
This is what happenes when you have almost no room for error.
Knux-Future
Banned
lol
RellyRell28
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Jeez I guess the Bucks are content with the 8th seed.
RedAssedApe
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lol turner passing to hawes during crunch time
Dominican Power
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Mo Williams *facepalm*
That whole sequence was facepalm worthy
That whole sequence was facepalm worthy
Knux-Future
Banned
Heat are about to go all "calli mah" on our hearts.
not even cool.
not even cool.
RedAssedApe
Banned
damn...jrueeee
Psychological Intellect
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I kinda hope they lose so they get pissed and take it out and buttfuck the Celtics
Kobe went like 33/8/7 against the Magic in the Finals for the series but detractors were writing about he only shot 43%. Same comparison basically. And 45 points on 35 shots isn't super efficient. If Jordan had any detractors, he doesn't, but if he did, people would be calling him a Ball Hog and a chucker that game.
Edit: Heck, people try to discredit Kobe's 81 point game because he shot 46 shots. not realizing that's 60% from the field and almost 2 points per shot. But like I said, Haters aren't objective, that's the illustration I was trying to draw.
ryutaro's mama
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Kobe was 6/24 with a chip on the line...what are you saying? Only thing I care about is the end result--the LAKERS won the championship.
Nothing I mentioned had anything to do with shooting in Finals games, anyway.
I'm saying that I can't even begin to view the guy through rose colored lenses like you, even though I've watched him since Day 1 in the league.
He is a special player, no question.
I can be objective when it comes to him where you self admittedly can't in the same way as a Kobe "superfan".
I agree. I talk to people about Michael and they have these glasses on that the dude was virtually without any fault.
It blows my mind.