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2013 NBA Finals |OT| The "Big 3" looks to hang another banner... against the Heat
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FullMetalx117
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Lakers not hyped up? Seriously....
What the fuck am I reading?
iamshadowlark
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seriously.
Black Mamba
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MorisUkunRasik
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Happy Father's Day!
Maybe Danny green can be on the cover of Nba Live
I mean man, kahwi's only been in the league for a few years, chandler parsons has only been in the league for a few years. Shit, Bledsoe has shown more growth over that period of time.
I'm just saying the heat haven't done anything to make their role players and their sole(?) decent draft pick any better. His problem isn't that hes going against TP, its that during the regular season they were waffling between him and Chalmers and it shows now. They should have shown faith, developed him, and let him get regular minutes. Now, the heat have no pg.
Heat aint gonna get a better game out of Allen than they got last night, they better hope to get a better game out of Chalmers, or someone else. As Lebron and Wade are not going to do it alone.
It was sort of fitting in this series that the player that was most missing (Manu) suddenly showed up. It also sucks for Heat, that finally Wade is playing well and the rest of the team (bar Allen and to lesser extent Bronski) just looks like they do not care anymore, odd to say about a team in the finals.
Go for it Indy, they do not need Granger, Bledsoe would add more to that team
It was sort of fitting in this series that the player that was most missing (Manu) suddenly showed up. It also sucks for Heat, that finally Wade is playing well and the rest of the team (bar Allen and to lesser extent Bronski) just looks like they do not care anymore, odd to say about a team in the finals.
Go for it Indy, they do not need Granger, Bledsoe would add more to that team
I'm sure you were one of the people that said I was crazy for saying the Spurs would beat heat.
Basileus777
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Allen is shooting nearly 65% from three this series, he's been giving Miami more than anyone could reasonably expect on offense. 13 ppg on 84TS%. He's been Danny Green with less shots.
grandjedi6
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2K's cover has gotten the champion right only twice: Shaq and Kobe for 2k6 and 2k10. Hell, 2K13 had DRose on the cover and he didn't even play this season. They've never been accurate at highlighting the recent/upcoming winner nor have they attempted to.
If you want awkwardly humorous NBA marketing just look at that Durant/Wade gatorade ad that is still airing during the Finals.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Chasing that ring like there's no tomorrow.
lawlohwhat
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What in the world?
ThisWreckage
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Miami might be fucked. They're probably going to be laser focused on Green which will free up Manu, Neal, and Parker.
Basileus777
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When has Spo ever made defensive adjustments? They are going to do the same thing they've done for years on defense. They'll blitz every pick and roll and swarm the ball handlers, and those open threes will still be there.
iamshadowlark
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Im pretty sure anomaly is the wrong word if you're trying to say what I think you are. Idiots.
Why would we focus on green when both Manu and TP hurt us more? Their won't be strategy changes. the only thing that changes is effort.
ThisWreckage
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Tony Parker and Manu have both had games where they were ghosts. Danny Green has not. He's been the most consistent player on that team.
iamshadowlark
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You guard the veteran all-star before the random scrub shooter everytime. Manu was able to directly generate at least 40 points of offense just him self. We can't just ignore him anymore.
Basileus777
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Even if it means giving up open shots to the guy scoring 18 ppg on 81% TS? Green's scoring efficiency is beyond the pale, any strategy that involves giving him those looks is flawed at this point.
CherryWoodFuton
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Heat will win pretty convincingly on Tuesday....Thursday is a different animal altogether though
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Once again to close to call and if manu plays like he did yesterday it can easily go the spurs way.
Anomaly is the right word, but 2011 is the wrong year (I'm pretty sure he meant 2012).
I'm guessing you're not a baseball fan.
theignoramus
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MIA's blitzing of the pnR bothers Parker, so Pop let him run more isos against Norris Cole...and Tony shat in his mouth.
Wheres Pimpwerx at...his boi Norris was 'posed to be able to lock Tony up.
Wheres Pimpwerx at...his boi Norris was 'posed to be able to lock Tony up.
teruterubozu
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ray's reaction to green breaking his record was priceless
Front row seat!
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Lol man I wonder if a rapper will immortalize that scene with a few bars cause its a great metaphor for being owned.
Vestal
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Not having a true center is not what fucked us this game, or this series. Lack of giving a fuck on defense last night for anyone not named LBJ, Wade, Allen(can't believe I said Allen) killed us.
iamshadowlark
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2011 is the right year, anomaly is the wrong word. See I can do it to. I know exactly what he's talking about.
That would imply that 2009 was a typical a-rod postseason, and sorry, that is just crazy talk.
CRAZY TALK.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
I would love to see it..
Hey man Norris and Mario getting worked is totally Lebron's fault.
What a choker amirite rite?
In all seriousness,
was great to see manu be manu basically the first time all playoffs.
Hope this goes 7 because it has been great fun to watch.
Say Miami does not win the 'ship, do they entertain the idea of trading Bosh? Is losing 2 finals and winning 1 good enough proof that the Big 3 is working or?
His numbers have gone down since his Raptors days, he is playing on a much better team than the Raptors, he should be getting more open shots than ever before. He is just 1 year older than LeBron and is already seeing decline in his game. Just because he is the same age as LeBron and is getting paid the same as him, does not mean you can expect him to play like the best player in the league, but for his contract, his age and the team he is in, he is punching far below his weight.
His numbers have gone down since his Raptors days, he is playing on a much better team than the Raptors, he should be getting more open shots than ever before. He is just 1 year older than LeBron and is already seeing decline in his game. Just because he is the same age as LeBron and is getting paid the same as him, does not mean you can expect him to play like the best player in the league, but for his contract, his age and the team he is in, he is punching far below his weight.
Bosh is critical to this team.
Oh Shadowlark
Since you apparently don't read your own posts, what you said was, "Lebron doesn't fear Duncan" implying that he's going to attack the rim with more aggressiveness than he did against Indy. You were wrong. He hasn't attacked Duncan at all. FG% being 2% higher isnt "significantly" higher either, and it's overall...not in the paint. And it's skewed heavily due to transition buckets which Spurs allow but Indiana doesn't.
You counting transition fast break buckets at the rim as a way to indicate whether Duncan is protecting the paint as well as Hibbert is just laughable. Shows just how far you're willing to bend and manipulate shit that you, and other people, say just so you can pretend the shit you post isn't laughably wrong against all the evidence. Lebron attacked the rim in game 3 and attacked the rim in the third quarter of game 5 against Indy when Hibbert was in, more than he's attacked Duncan all series.
And yes, for the love of God, games 1-3 and even 5 are similar to 2011. It's sad that you think getting a few more APG or RPG makes it completely different because when you're as great as Lebron there is showing up and dominating in the Finals, and there is horribly horribly underperforming in the Finals. It's sad that Lebron underperforms so damn often you're categorizing his horrible performances differently based on minutiae.
"Games 1-3 aren't like 2011 at all. His APG are up"
Since you apparently don't read your own posts, what you said was, "Lebron doesn't fear Duncan" implying that he's going to attack the rim with more aggressiveness than he did against Indy. You were wrong. He hasn't attacked Duncan at all. FG% being 2% higher isnt "significantly" higher either, and it's overall...not in the paint. And it's skewed heavily due to transition buckets which Spurs allow but Indiana doesn't.
You counting transition fast break buckets at the rim as a way to indicate whether Duncan is protecting the paint as well as Hibbert is just laughable. Shows just how far you're willing to bend and manipulate shit that you, and other people, say just so you can pretend the shit you post isn't laughably wrong against all the evidence. Lebron attacked the rim in game 3 and attacked the rim in the third quarter of game 5 against Indy when Hibbert was in, more than he's attacked Duncan all series.
And yes, for the love of God, games 1-3 and even 5 are similar to 2011. It's sad that you think getting a few more APG or RPG makes it completely different because when you're as great as Lebron there is showing up and dominating in the Finals, and there is horribly horribly underperforming in the Finals. It's sad that Lebron underperforms so damn often you're categorizing his horrible performances differently based on minutiae.
"Games 1-3 aren't like 2011 at all. His APG are up"
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
If they lose ....All I know is the bobcats offered the Heat at least their number 4 pick for Bosh and the rumors were substantial enough Bosh gave a statement saying he wants to retire in Miami..... if the Heat are smart you try to get another first round pick (or a young prospect) from the Bobcats and you do that deal. This CBA is brutal for teams built like the Heat and they are looking like the celtics/pistons championship teams right now.
No.
There is no even semi realistic trade where Miami loses Bosh and gets better.
His willingness to give up shots to LBJ/Wade
His insanely underrated pick and roll defense
His great rotations especially closing out on shooters
Stretching out the defense to the point he had one of the best midrange shooting seasons by any player EVER. Name me a team who will give up an all star big plus multiple other assets?
You can't name me a PF in the entire league that would fit this roster better.
It's like you people didn't watch last years playoffs, or any of the past two regular seasons.
Basileus777
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If they are playing him at center, there is a host of players that would make Miami better. But they aren't likely to get any of them via trade.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
If they take the number 4 pick they could draft a good 5 and then get another PF in FA
Sure while I can't think of a single pf who would fit better center is a tiny bit more competitive.
Dwight would make them a much worse team offensively, and unless his back was 100% his defensive impact would be minimal due to his piss poor pick and roll D, not to mention he is the most bitchmade player in the past 30 years of the NBA.
Tyson Chandler/Hibbert/Asik/Andre Drummond? All would cripple their offense.
Noah? Would be defensive improvement, offensively his lack of a jumper might be able to be made up by his passing.
Pau? Too old and slow on D, his post ups on Offense wouldn't work in the flow of Miami's offense.
Boogie Cousins? Could be interesting...I wonder how much his defense would improve with a team culture that demands it.
Marc Gasol (Memphis wouldn't do it) could actually be an upgrade on both sides of the ball.
If Garnett was 2006-2008 Garnett? SURE! 2013 KG? Not an upgrade
Anthony Davis? Maybe in 2-3 years when he has a more complete game.
Trading bosh for a mediocre center and spare parts would be the worst idea Pat Riley has had in his life.
This team was in the finals 3 years in a row for a reason, if anything Wade should be the one kicked out the door but they probably wouldn't get jack shit for him.
iamshadowlark
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Vag are you slow? I say that im not just talking lebron, linsivvi digs up my post with my clearly layed out claim/challenge, with no mention of lebron and yet you come again with a whole soliloquy about lebron, which in itself is half wrong.
What is it with your manic fascination with single players? Either retort my claim with facts or don't respond.
What is it with your manic fascination with single players? Either retort my claim with facts or don't respond.
iamshadowlark said:
You done lost your damn mind
Like I said..."you apparently don't read your own posts". That shoulda been a dead giveaway for you to go back and read what you originally said.
Ffs dude, I even quoted your own words for you in my response
Vahagn said:
iamshadowlark
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Didn't read it all but still, its pretty clear I was talking the team when I said we. And its not like its duncan's defense more than its diaw or kawhi.
So again, SA's frontcourt defense is weaker defense than Indys. Dispute it...
Future PhaZe
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Quoted from Wiz board at realgm said:
dat frontoffice
And as of right now Green is the finals mvp. I don't want to hear anything about "BUT HE WOULDN"T EVEN GET THOSE SHOTS WITHOUT DUNCAN/TONY"
No. Just no. He's absolutely destroying momentum or creating it with his shots and mindfucking the Heats willingness to blitz guys as much as they usually do and he's literally stopped the Heat from gaining critical momentum with his transition defense against LeBron and Wade.
I think Tony can grab it if he has a huge game as he was almost equally impressive last night but discrediting how big Green has been would be a huge mistake. He's been the best player on the floor for SA.
Perhaps, but the spurs have statistically had a better defensive postseason than Indiana, and they weren't that far behind Indiana in the regular season (Indy's defense was #1 in the league, Spurs' was #3).
No disrespect to Vogel, but the fact is, Popovich is a better coach, and the spurs are better disciplined, and that's why they've performed better in the playoffs. And, unlike the Pacers, the Spurs have the offensive weapons to make the Heat pay for their ticky-tack trap defense.
Future PhaZe
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I don't think San Antonios front court defense is as good as Indianas but for whatever reason LeBron is missing way more shots at the rim than I ever saw him miss in that series. I don't know if its because he's mind throwed or if its because San Antonio is doing a better job or what. I think it's more of the former to be honest but saying so would be unfairly discrediting the Spurs.
I hope Chalmers gets less playing time. It's alright to miss open shots (no not really) --- but it's even worse when you're making horrible plays and reads and thinking you're some kind of superstar with 18 seconds left on the shot clock. I swear he singlehandedly gave the Spurs 10 points. This team can't afford his Wario/Mario switch.