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2013 NBA Playoffs |OT3| Don't believe the pipe
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It's been this way since forever. Where were you the last 10 games of the season when it was all
Syphon Filter
Member
out of here with that, pacers in the finals will be awesome.
MorisUkunRasik
Member
Steve Kerr posting the Lebron/West flop gif on twitter lol
Has anyone gotten a warning/fine this series?
Steve Kerr should stop complaining because obviously the players don't care.
/debate
Hating the Heat/LeBron/Wade/Riley maybe one thing but willingly ignoring that the Pacers are getting to the FT line more in every game this series AND STILL claiming its rigged in favor of the Heat or that Stern is making a call is 911 truther levels dumb.
There are only 3 things that should be known and accepted about the NBA refs:
1. They are largely incompetent and will miss or call fouls that shouldn't have been
2. Superstars get superstar treatment, but even then it doesn't mean its rigged. Its just the benefit of doubt. See every superstar EVER.
3. Teams who dominate the paint and go to the rim will generally be at the FT line more.
Pacers are dominating the paint on offense and defense. Rebounds and FTs are in their favor and that's how they have won 2 games and been close in 3 of the 4 so far.
If the Heat want to win they have to also play at the rim and stop settling for 3s which admittedly they hit all season but just aren't falling right now. Either that or replace Allen and Battier with their other 3 point specialists.
No one is claiming the Heat lost because of the refs or that there is some conspiracy against them. Questioning the accuracy of those two calls (LBJ's 6th foul and Wade's travel) doesn't equal claiming the fix is in. Fact is even if you think those calls are "correct" they are usually never called and at the least considered questionable. But the point is those calls are either made or missed in every game BOTH ways.
I would love to see a Heat Spurs finals but I fear Miami is going to play themselves out if they don't wake up. Namely the big 3.
There are only 3 things that should be known and accepted about the NBA refs:
1. They are largely incompetent and will miss or call fouls that shouldn't have been
2. Superstars get superstar treatment, but even then it doesn't mean its rigged. Its just the benefit of doubt. See every superstar EVER.
3. Teams who dominate the paint and go to the rim will generally be at the FT line more.
Pacers are dominating the paint on offense and defense. Rebounds and FTs are in their favor and that's how they have won 2 games and been close in 3 of the 4 so far.
If the Heat want to win they have to also play at the rim and stop settling for 3s which admittedly they hit all season but just aren't falling right now. Either that or replace Allen and Battier with their other 3 point specialists.
No one is claiming the Heat lost because of the refs or that there is some conspiracy against them. Questioning the accuracy of those two calls (LBJ's 6th foul and Wade's travel) doesn't equal claiming the fix is in. Fact is even if you think those calls are "correct" they are usually never called and at the least considered questionable. But the point is those calls are either made or missed in every game BOTH ways.
I would love to see a Heat Spurs finals but I fear Miami is going to play themselves out if they don't wake up. Namely the big 3.
Syphon Filter
Member
Thats because they are, sorry but heat arent immortal. you are mad that you were wrong,told ya to dont underestimate the pacers.
Liquidsnake
Banned
Lebron was in desperation mode. He sees his lagacy slipping away.
I was about to post this from Haberstroh myself
Hibbert is a giant I guess but I'm really surprised they haven't even tried getting him in foul trouble
Lebron was in desperation mode. He sees his lagacy slipping away.
but one of those players are playing right now #Fadsace
The Frankman
Banned
But that's because LeBron is such a willing passer! He's creating shots for other people!
And he is. He always does. The guys who usually hit those open shots just aren't.
That is why he and the coaching staff need to adjust the game plan. The plan shouldn't be to stretch out Hibbert or avoid him by going for the 3 point shot, it should be to go right at him and get him in foul trouble early. Just drive over and over and from the very beginning.
Pull in Bosh too. He isn't a strong rebounder, but he will give you absolutely zero if the plan is to have him hover around the 3 point line while West/Hibbert stay in to get rebounds. Even Haslem likes to drop back near the baseline to set up his jumper. Great you can hit that but you are the only big man they have. The primary job for Haslem should to be in the pain in low so he can contest for rebounds. Not setting up jumpers for himself. That kind of game plan works against teams which aren't so strong rebounding and pounding the paint.
Either that or stay with the exact same game plan and rotations and just hope the guys who are supposed to hit their jumpers finally find their rhythm. I mean as much as people say Pacers could be up 3-1, the series could be over if Battier isn't playing some of the worst ball of his career and Ray Allen actually knocks down the open 3 looks he has seen.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Psych probably believed Lebron when he said he was bringing 7 championships to Miami.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
This shooting from the Heat might just be bad luck, but Ray and Battier are approaching 38 and 35 years old so they might just be unable to play well anymore.
This. While I do see the importance of having Bosh stretch the floor, he's shown that when he gets inside he can draw foul on Indy's bigs because he's more athletic and faster than them.
Besides, they're so much bigger than him and I think he is actually our best candidate to draw fouls on them. Either way, get Bosh the ball more that isn't a catch and shoot and I think he'll rebound and defend harder.
I think as shooters they just in slumps. Plus Battier is asked to defend one of the forwards on the Pacers which takes a lot out of him. Offensively he can't finish a layup and even shy's away from jumpers which aren't 3 pointers. They were playing fine during the 27 game streak.
I think they should be a secondary part of the game plan, where as I feel LeBron and Wade seem to be mostly penetrating to set them up as the primary option for a 3 point barrage. Of course its also because West and Hibbert make it tough for them to just drive at will. Still they need to if they want to win the series. Also might get Hibbert in foul trouble.
Syphon Filter
Member
regression to the mean. cant rely on chucking. : )
iamshadowlark
Banned
Lebron has one bad game in the series and the trolls crawl from under the bridge to post drivebys. Nobody saw that coming. No one.
And phee I already said that call didnt lose us the game. There's no way in hell you can say that it didn't affect the game. Being down 1 with 26 to go is alot different than being down 4.
Who gives a shit though, let this game die already.
And phee I already said that call didnt lose us the game. There's no way in hell you can say that it didn't affect the game. Being down 1 with 26 to go is alot different than being down 4.
Who gives a shit though, let this game die already.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Ray and Battier aren't playing close to their averages though.
Red Blaster
Member
hibberto is probably a top 3 center in this league now and worth his max deal barring that he doesn't forget how to play basketball again like he did the first 60 or so games this season
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Absolutely.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Syphon, quit reading vag's posts before you regress to a middle school math level.
Adam Blade
WWKC
Why is IWMTB such a Hibbert stan now?
captmcblack
Member
Hibbert's verticality!
VERTICALITY
Also, this stuff about shooting just sounds familiar.
VERTICALITY
Also, this stuff about shooting just sounds familiar.
What the Knicks do is called chucking. What the Heat do is called shooting open 3s.
Syphon Filter
Member
toward the later part of the season,early they were finding the open man.(knicks)its still relying on 3's though no matter how anyone slices it.
Vestal
Junior Member
They defend by preventing the 3.. but their defense has nothing to do with Ray and Shane missing wide open no one within 5 feet shots.
Red Blaster
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iamshadowlark
Banned
Exactly. There's watching the game and seeing players miss wide open shots and there's quoting some random stat and tryna sound smart.
There's a huge difference between a wide open corner 3 off ball movement and an off the dribble or pull up contested 3
/rolleyes
Not only were the Pacers #2 in preventing three-point attempts, but they were also #1 in opponent 3PT%. This isn't a random stat, it's been talked about in here all playoffs long.
I'm not "tryna" sound smart, I am saying smart shit. It's not my fault your ignorance overwhelms your senses and you start saying dumb shit.
lol, you haven't even been here to watch the games. Care to explain what is the magical gift of Indiana ball or even a stat that shows how to make Miami miss open 3s?
Ray's only make yesterday was a fading corner 3 with Stephenson draped all over him. Those stats only mean something when it's supporting what you're actually seeing.
Since when is posting here a requirement to having seen the games? C'mon now.
And we are officially retreading into Knicks vs Pacers arguments now.
And here, just because I love ya:
"Wide open three"
If I wasn't so cheap I'd go buy the Synergy package and show you how in real time a "wide open three" isn't so "wide open". Closeouts matter, and the Pacers are fucking good at it. If you consider that "wide open", then I don't know why we are arguing.
"Wide open three"
If I wasn't so cheap I'd go buy the Synergy package and show you how in real time a "wide open three" isn't so "wide open". Closeouts matter, and the Pacers are fucking good at it. If you consider that "wide open", then I don't know why we are arguing.
I'm not talking about that. Just don't throw those stats at us like they mean something when you didn't see how things actually happened. If you want to make a point that the Pacers bruising style might be why our 3 point shooters are off, that's fine. But those stats aren't supposed to show the quality of looks or the reason the shots are being missed.
Why don't you screencap all the 3s, and then maybe I'll change my mind.
Psychological Intellect
Banned
8 bitch!
Because I'm not gonna spend $45 on this argument. The Pacers are really good at closing out, it's part of their defensive gameplan and why they don't double.
iamshadowlark
Banned
What is this pic proving exactly?And here, just because I love ya:
"Wide open three"
If I wasn't so cheap I'd go buy the Synergy package and show you how in real time a "wide open three" isn't so "wide open". Closeouts matter, and the Pacers are fucking good at it. If you consider that "wide open", then I don't know why we are arguing.
That it wasn't a "wide open" three? That's a contested three-pointer. If you were watching the game in real time, I could see how some of you might think that was a "wide open" three based on when Ray Allen began his shooting motion.
That the pacers close out on 3 point shooters?
And of course Indian's overall D explains the poor offensive show from Miami.
Still doesn't explain away Battier and Ray Allen missing wide open 3s. They seem hesitant now too since they have to know they are in a slump.
Overall Miami just needs to be a lot more aggressive. Open 3? Take it! No thinking or over passing. Lane open? Drive, draw the contact if have to, and finish at the rim. And for once start off hot. Get a 7-9 point lead and you can keep Indian in check.
Psychological Intellect
Banned
preview of game 5
StickSoldier
Member
Oh please, quit acting like there was no complaining from Heat fans about the refs. And it's not only here that I'm referring to, I'm just talking about most Heat fans in general. If you fail to see that then you're purposely being blind. I've voiced my displeasure of the refs for years, regardless of who is playing, but to sit there and act like the Heat don't get favorable calls is dumb.
Like I said earlier, the reason for those reactions is due to the fact that the Heat get calls that other teams normally wouldn't get. For you to say that you think the double standards that fans have is ridiculous, perhaps you should open your eyes and look at the games through our point of view. Maybe if games start getting called fairly on a consistent basis, then people will stop being like that.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Miami's offense in this series has been amazing: 117.4 ORtg for them so far, would be the best offense in NBA history IIRC.
You're reading what you read want to read and interpreting how you want. Discussion over.
And you keep saying these 'facts'---yet these facts have not been happening. And YOU are still whining about things.
captmcblack
Member
Heat-Age should accept that most everyone wants to see them lose if for no other reason than the potential hilarity that would ensue. The only other people that would be rooting for a MIA victory would be LBJ fans, and the mythical alleged fans of "non-fuckball" in this thread (who I assume would likely be satisfied by the hilarity of MIA losing rather than being averse to watching basketball due to aesthetics).
Refs or no refs, threes or no threes.
Refs or no refs, threes or no threes.
I'm probably just picking a fight with the wrong dude, although I'm really not sure why he's wasting any time bitching about the general fan on other message boards or whatever.
I'm pretty sure every Heat fan here, while we may have been annoyed at the calls, is 10X more disgusted at the team. So it's really dumb when some guy who hasn't posted here in months comes out of the woodworks and tells us we're whining and we shouldn't be when A) If he wants to say 'general fans,' then Dallas is among the whiniest, and B) Nobody is actually blaming the calls on the result of the game here.
I'm pretty sure every Heat fan here, while we may have been annoyed at the calls, is 10X more disgusted at the team. So it's really dumb when some guy who hasn't posted here in months comes out of the woodworks and tells us we're whining and we shouldn't be when A) If he wants to say 'general fans,' then Dallas is among the whiniest, and B) Nobody is actually blaming the calls on the result of the game here.
Psychological Intellect
Banned
wasting your time ph33. Most Heat haters are like super religious old people. Once their mind is set, there's no changing it. They'll find any reason to hate.
the 3s imo couldn't matter less if Wade and Bosh weren't so damn transparent at times. If Wade drops 20+ PPG and Bosh could average 15 a game, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
the 3s imo couldn't matter less if Wade and Bosh weren't so damn transparent at times. If Wade drops 20+ PPG and Bosh could average 15 a game, we wouldn't be having this discussion.