I am Michael Bolton
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And like Wade and Bosh, Kobe deserved much of the blame.
2013 NBA Playoffs |OT3| Don't believe the pipe
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And like Wade and Bosh, Kobe deserved much of the blame.
Syphon Filter
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No way Knicks beat Boston without melo.
Jack Remington
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Stern should be #1 on that list. The Pacers would have finished it off in 6 last night without him.
Edit: and then Frank Vogel is easily #2.
TheKaeptain
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It's like win a superior team barely makes it past a team they should shit on and the winning team stans talk about how great they are. #justsaying.
I have a hard time believing a dude that has a negative effect on his team can win finals MVP and be called the best player in the world
Black Mamba
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because Wade showed up.
These are related. Wade's crappy play has hurt their offense the last couple games.
iamshadowlark
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1) what the hell are you talking about?
2) what does it have to do with what I said?
I am Michael Bolton
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No kidding that one of the star players playing like shit affects the offense... the point is that these guys are continually missing wide open outside shots. THAT doesn't have anything to do with Wade.
It does have a negative effect. I never said Lebron isn't the best player in the world or anything like that. There is a negative effect to how he plays though.
Do you think if Wade didn't even play at all that Miami might be in a different spot? Cause I swear he's flat out hurt the team by being out there
Wade's position is easily the most replaceable. Maybe not defensively, but right now he isn't even giving that. "Rotate? Whatever, let's hope he misses!"
That was the most brilliant explanation
Only one you could have given
Spoelstra killed Bosh's game
I've said it a bunch of times. Lebron plays like a ball dominant pg. The only ball dominant pgs that lead teams to titles are Magic and Isiah.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Greg, Craig, who?
Parker in 2007 and 2013
Tony Parker isn't a ball dominant PG at all. The Spurs don't give him the ball every set and just watch him.
Eh. A half court offense that has little to do with him, did.
Have you watched the playoffs at all? They sometimes screen him 6 or 7 times before he goes to the basket
Black Mamba
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they're not getting many open looks and they're not in rhythm anymore. If wade was playing well, they'd be getting their normal shots.
Nobody really helps onto Wade anymore. It's killed their spacing. Not to mention Miami isn't shooting poorly from 3 overall. They aren't getting inside shots and FTs like they used to.
nah. He's bad for his own standards but overall he's been mediocre at least. Basically he's Mario Chalmers (but scored differently as Chalmers can hit the 3). And he is still out-rebounding Bosh in the series.
What's the other option? Ray Allen who can't defend anything and hasn't been good offensively, either? This version of Wade is still their best chance.
Indirectly he is. Miami's entire scheme is predicated on Lebron and Wade putting pressure on the defense creating wide open mid-range shots for Bosh. Bosh has taken few wide open mid-range shots (and he's one of the best in the league at them) and instead is forced to take 3s because there is no spacing.
Wade's inability to drive and put pressure on Indy's defense has ruined their spacing. If Lebron doesn't run every play ever possession, they can't do anything else. Of course, Spo should call plays for Bosh to iso on Hibbert 15 feet out, so part of it is on him too.
BatiGOOOOOOL
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huh, i didn't even realize the heat are just as if not even older than the spurs.
lol@ "very physical team who are simply relentless on the boards"
Who did the Spurs just sweep? Some "experts". :-S
Yes, I watch the Spurs. They are fun to watch. Parker isn't a ball dominant player. He doesn't dribble for most of the shot clock for more than half the team's half court sets like Lebron. The Spurs will primary attack a team with whatever a team shows them they can't stop. Whether its Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, 3 point shooting or Splitter rolling to the basket.
I actually want to revise what I said. Actually maybe it'll sound more like a rant/demand
Why the fuck are we waiting to play Mike Miller when all he does is come in and shoot 3s and play hard and move the ball :-(
You know...Ray has the allure of GOAT 3 pt shooter because of stats. But I don't think Mike is any less effective, plus he is longer and is a better rebounder and plays to his role better. I go crazy when I see ray going behind the back like he is still a combo guard
Psychological Intellect
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fuck is it monday yet
edit: My aunt just told me that ray Allen has cataracts!
edit: My aunt just told me that ray Allen has cataracts!
You're assigning a player of the quality of Bosh, to Ibaka status. Which i get that their offense does. A lot. But it has more to do with horrible offensive sets, and wade isn't the dominant ball handler.
I get how their offense runs, its actually really similar to OKC's in it's essence (they get there slightly differently, but relatively same results). So, it's not really wade that is ruining Bosh's career.
Future PhaZe
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9 times outta 10 I choose Miami to take a game 7 in this situation but the defeatist attitude guys were taking after that loss is concerning.
We'll see.
We'll see.
I think some of the biggest "mental" part (which i give far less credence to in this series, there aint much between them) is that Miami looks more shook when one of their guys gets a T. More offended when LBJ gets a foul.
It's probably entirely trivial though. Most of it will come down to defense.
Black Mamba
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Bosh's career is being ruined by the team he's playing on.
But that doesn't explain 3 straight single digit games. It's because Wade isn't Wade. It's killed their current schemes.
You're right that Wade isn't the primary ball handler. But until now, when he did have the ball, 2 people had to commit to defending. He's collapse defenses. He was a threat. Right now he's none of that and it's pushed Bosh away from the spots he's comfortable with in their system.
Also, remember when people thought LBJ would guard Z-bo. If you thought west was physical........
Sux for him. And you.
But really, the fact that they have no offensive fall back is sort of bad. And i mean, different sets.
It's what sets a popovic coached team apart from the rest of the league. They can literally run entirely difference offences based on who is on the floor and the opponent.
Sux for him. And you.
But really, the fact that they have no offensive fall back is sort of bad. And i mean, different sets.
It's what sets a popovic coached team apart from the rest of the league. They can literally run entirely difference offences based on who is on the floor and the opponent.
The Frankman
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We would also accepted Atlanta Hawks' Pig Miller.
Well while I think the Heat look fucking awful mostly, I still think they're trying to move the ball, but holy hell nothing is falling and I think it's discouraging them and then they'll get stagnant (Thanks to fuckball)
Their ball movement even in shit times is a lot better than it was 2 years ago. But when shooters can't hit anything and your other 2 star guys can't hit a bucket or are playing soft as fuck, it's going to look real bad
Future PhaZe
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This here is where i'ts hurting to have a point forward, and not a point guard. I'm not sure LBJ could play the pacers the same way TP played the grizz.
RoboGeorgeForeman
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Not that confident in the Pacers' ability to beat the Heat on the road tomorrow especially since the Heat haven't lost back to back games in forever, but I'm still pumped up for tomorrow's game. Hopefully Stephenson actually shows up in a road game and George Hill cuts back on the turnovers. Paul George not getting in foul trouble and forcing us to play Sam Young for extended minutes would be key too.
See it's that kind of shit that is what fucking scares me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKOkNZ4Yzto
Guess what happened after 27 straight at the garden?
1 straight
And the rest of the league was 11-11 after a 2-1 lead in the finals following a split at home, till the Heat came along
by the way you all should click on that link just so we can remember good times
Syphon Filter
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where is kado now that i think about it.
CountBlack
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$75K fine on Hibbert.
Thank god for no suspension
Thank god for no suspension
I am Michael Bolton
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$75k? meh. IMO it's too much but what do I know.
Wait, are you kidding me, you weren't really thinking a suspension was in consideration did you?
That would've just gift wrapped Game 7 to the Heat, I'm not even sure if people would watch it.
Gordon0Freeman
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They might as well cancel tomorrows game. The Pacers have absolutely no chance of winning
Jack Remington
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Ridiculous amount. Hopefully the "motherfucker" constituted the bulk of the fine.
Psychological Intellect
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fuck yea! heat by 30!
edit: damn! 75k! I thought he would get the base 35k, like when thibs called lebron a flopper but damn. Keep using those coupons Hibbert!
last chance syphon! bet me! I win, it cancels our last bet!
Syphon Filter
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Naw they will win.
RoboGeorgeForeman
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It's a bit much, but the NBA is probably coming out with a harsh penalty to make sure it doesn't happen again.
likedamaster
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victreeb3l
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$75k is a shit load of money but at least he didnt get suspended
way too much imo but whatever its done with
way too much imo but whatever its done with
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