Dominican Power
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Heat fans are truly dumb. I can't wait until the blow this team up, LeBron is no longer there, and all they have is a gimpy Wade.
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2013 NBA Playoffs |OT3| Don't believe the pipe
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Vestal
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67?!?!?! were did you come up with this number?
Looking at that jump last night... He is listed at 6'8, his head was slightly above the rim for a split second.. So a little math tells us..
His vertical leap from that dunk is around 41-42 inches.
Future PhaZe
Member
I can't say I'm too concerned about Duncans age at this point. He's a 21, 12 and 3 player PER 36, with a drtg of 95 after slimming down 15 pounds.
And he's playing in what could be his last NBA games for a chip.
He's not leaving anything on the floor.
And he's playing in what could be his last NBA games for a chip.
He's not leaving anything on the floor.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Heat fans make frontrunners look humble.
what the fuck am I reading lmao
I am Michael Bolton
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While he's wrong about Duncan never having the size and ability he's not wrong that Duncan is older and will not be able to stop LeBron nor the rest of the Heat players.
theignoramus
Member
Heat fans telling us Duncan will be "eaten the fuck alive" and Norris Cole will lock up Tony Parker....lololol
Well that's true if anyone actually argued that Duncan would single handily shut down Lebron and the rest of the Heat players.
theignoramus
Member
they wont stop SA either. it will take the Spurs a game or two to adjust to MIA's blitzing of the pNr, cause you cant simulate their speed in a practice session. But they have too many good passers to not make MIA pay for overaggressive traps and defensive gambling.
Duncan never had Yao Ming's size either, why the fuck does that matter?
Dominican Power
Member
The Heat got taken to 7 games against a Pacers team that poorly executed and had a bad bench. The Spurs don't have that problem.
Lebron is locking up Parker.
The biggest difference is that the Spurs are a top 4 3PT shooting team, while the Pacers were bottom 10.
Is there really one reason why the Heat will fail? I see too many to count.
theignoramus
Member
theyll screen the shit out of him and hell expend a ton of energy running around picks.
purvispisgah
Member
Well he doesn't have to do it by himself and it's not as if the Spurs have been poor defensively in the playoffs.
Also, it seems like people are taking Miami's defense as a given even though Indaina's Ortg was above their (20th in the league) average in 5 of the 7 games in that series. If I were a Heat fan I would be concerned about that. Popovich has had 10 days to construct schemes to face off against the Heat. He's pretty good at that.
Justin Timberlake
Member
lmao
First we heard that the Lakers' "dominating" frontline would give us fits
Then we heard that Andrew Bogut can guard Tim Duncan
And most recently we heard that MEM had an impossibly large advantage in their bigs
I can draw similar parallels for Tony (Norris Cole and Mario Chalmers are going to guard Tony? Really? What the fuck are they going to do that Tony Allen and Mike Conley couldn't?), but the amount of disrespect is shocking considering our pedigree. Its not just trolls like lark, but its been the media narrative the entire way.
Tim Duncan is the greatest defensive player of all time. Hes forgotten more basketball than Roy Hibbert has ever known (--disclaimer-- I love Roy Hibbert. But come on now).
He'll be fine.
Syphon Filter
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I disagree on the rest of the heat players part.
Vestal
Junior Member
Well according to non Heat fans, it looks like Miami has no chance.. Lets pack it up folks its done..
Miami will get smoked from 3 point line
Miami will get burned for traping
Duncan + Splitter will be the new Great Wall of China
SAs bench is going to take dump on Miamis Bench..
*sigh* still over 48hrs till tip off.. I am sure it will get worse before then.
Miami will get smoked from 3 point line
Miami will get burned for traping
Duncan + Splitter will be the new Great Wall of China
SAs bench is going to take dump on Miamis Bench..
*sigh* still over 48hrs till tip off.. I am sure it will get worse before then.
It's literally so remarkable how short people's memories are.
Now Pop is the GOAT coach? Really? Let's put aside Red and Phil for a second. How exactly is Pop better than Riley?
Riley can manage ego's as well as anyone in the history of the league, if not better. He's managed superstars in NY, LA, and Miami - not a small town without the same distractions like SA.
He coached 3 different franchises, with 3 totally different styles, in 3 different eras and was successful with all of them.
Pop is clearly the best coach in the league now, and one of the best all time...but people, seriously, act your damn age.
Now Pop is the GOAT coach? Really? Let's put aside Red and Phil for a second. How exactly is Pop better than Riley?
Riley can manage ego's as well as anyone in the history of the league, if not better. He's managed superstars in NY, LA, and Miami - not a small town without the same distractions like SA.
He coached 3 different franchises, with 3 totally different styles, in 3 different eras and was successful with all of them.
Pop is clearly the best coach in the league now, and one of the best all time...but people, seriously, act your damn age.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Truth hurts...
When was the last time Pop coached a sub-50 win team?
theignoramus
Member
I know there were the Laker scrubs (like Devean George) that showed out in the triangle offense and got overpaid elsewhere by foolhardy GMs, but Im not convinced Phil Jackson develops players of modest talent as well as Pop.
Vestal
Junior Member
People also forget the debacle of 2011... Best record in the league and taken out in the first round.
Heat fans also forget that 15-win season and the follow-up championship 44-win season in 2007 and first round sweep by a shit Bulls team.
Bad matchup in the first round (Memphis actually tanked to get the 8 seed) and weren't they also dealing with injuries?
This back-and-forth is mind-numbing. I'm excited for the Finals as a fan of basketball. Both teams are great in their own way.
Syphon Filter
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Worried i see.
purvispisgah
Member
Tim Duncan is my favorite player.
Bill Russell's existence negates this quote. Duncan's defensive prowess speaks for itself and needs no hyperbole.
theignoramus
Member
I agree with that. when was Norris Cole leaps and bounds better at on ball defense than Mike Conley and Tony Allen?
Justin Timberlake
Member
Pretty hard to win when your entire big 3 is hobbled, and one of them has a fucking broken arm.
That '11 team was really good. Really, really good. Theres nothing to be ashamed of in that season. We started Richard Jefferson and Dejuan Blair but won 61 games. Our other bigs were Old Man Dice and 22 mpg Matt Bonner (note: not to be confused with 10 mpg Matt Bonner, who is a very valuable role player).
We were on pace for 70+ in a stacked West before the injuries ffs. Thats not a poor season; injuries can happen to any great team.
b-b-b-b-but pimp said 4-14!
Pass it to a vast array of deadly three-point shooters?
By that logic, Jerry Sloan is the greatest coach of all time. One sub 500 team in 22 years with the Jazz. Let Pop coach SA for 22 years, we'll see if he gets one losing season.
Also, obviously, Phil's never coached a sub 500 team either. Neither has Red
Justin Timberlake
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All I know is we've had a ton of practices. We've been getting media interviews like every day on spurs.com.
Hopefully that means we won't be rusty.
Probably not though :/
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Pop is definitely better than Red and Phil scheme-wise. Red's offensive scheme was a catastrophe based around Red being unable to do simple math, The Triangle is almost unusable if you don't have a superstar and Phil purposefully gave up corner threes in his defensive scheme. Pop's offensive and defensive schemes are great and he's really willing to adapt.
Then again, Red allowed Russell to play like Russell and Phil got Shaq and Kobe focused for a few years (though their blowups probably should be brought up against Phil more) so they are all-time great coaches.
Then again, Red allowed Russell to play like Russell and Phil got Shaq and Kobe focused for a few years (though their blowups probably should be brought up against Phil more) so they are all-time great coaches.
Huh? I said 50 WIN.
theignoramus
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the problem with Indy was that they were bad ball handlers, bad passers against pressure D and even when they could get the ball to the open man, that man was Lance Stephenson or Sam Young, who are shaky as fuck from long range.
It seems like damn near everyone but Tim and Tiago can step outside and knock down three pointers for SA.
It seems like damn near everyone but Tim and Tiago can step outside and knock down three pointers for SA.
lol my bad, I thought i saw another 0 at the end of that.
I'm glad to see you think you understand X's and O's better than Phil. Glorious.
theignoramus
Member
Pop is better at wrenching productivity out of no names.
Yup. I really want to see a clinic of the Spurs shooters beyond the arc.
Justin Timberlake
Member
Laker and Heat fans on one side, the rest of the world on the other
Gonna be a hell of a Finals
Pop just went 14 straight years with a 50-win team -- a majority of that built around the 28th and 57th pick in the draft, and that includes two lockout years. It would've been 16 had it not been for a 50 game lockout season.
purvispisgah
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I feel really bad for whoever ends up guarding Parker at any given time in this series. That person will have to fight through dozens of screens set by giant men. Mike Conley looked dead on the court in the 4th quarters of the last series.
Against OKC last year the Thunder could let Sefalosha expend tons of energy guarding TP because they didn't have to rely on his offense. I wonder what Chalmers/Cole/whoever will be able to give on the offensive end.
Against OKC last year the Thunder could let Sefalosha expend tons of energy guarding TP because they didn't have to rely on his offense. I wonder what Chalmers/Cole/whoever will be able to give on the offensive end.
you forget the amount of no-names in Chicago and LA that have become house hold names...it's ok though, short memories and all.
theignoramus
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household names mean shit, Chi and LA are huge media markets. Sasha Vujacic was a household name FFS.
The Mavs went like 11 years with 50 win teams too...that's not the determining factor of greatness in my eyes. It doesn't make Dirk a better player than KG in Minny for example.
But if you judge greatness by regular season win loss record...that's fine by me. Just don't pretend everyone should judge it that way, as if it's the great harbinger of success.
No dude, they were household names because of the productivity and constant winning. No one remembers 90% of the Knicks players in the Thomas years do they?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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No team today uses most of the stuff the Phil and Red used.
Then again, schemes evolve over time so it's unfair to diminish them too much for not being able to have as good of schemes in the 60s and 90s as teams in the 2010s.