The impression I got was that Ozark didn't connect with critics, which is probably part of how it got lost in the shuffle.
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2017-18 TV Season Cancellations: Guess which woman's late night show got cancelled
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The impression I got was that Ozark didn't connect with critics, which is probably part of how it got lost in the shuffle.
I suspect creators were content to ignore Netflixs poor promotion of shows right up until Netflix started canceling things. They had to start caring.
Also, it feels like Netflixs algorithms have been hijacked. Both within the app and by email, Netflix is extremely prone to recommend me crap that has nothing to do with my viewing habits instead of stuff I know theyre releasing within my interests. It feels like theyre heavily tipping the scales in favor of internally preferred content. If thats the case, I could understand creator frustration about having to take notes based on their data collection when those connections arent ultimately used to actively drive attention to their shows.
Also, it feels like Netflixs algorithms have been hijacked. Both within the app and by email, Netflix is extremely prone to recommend me crap that has nothing to do with my viewing habits instead of stuff I know theyre releasing within my interests. It feels like theyre heavily tipping the scales in favor of internally preferred content. If thats the case, I could understand creator frustration about having to take notes based on their data collection when those connections arent ultimately used to actively drive attention to their shows.
Freeza Under The Shower
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Or perhaps Netflix subscribes more to 'audience discovery' than old-school marketing. It would make sense for a data-drive decision environment to use more of the former than the latter. Remember, Netflix isn't driven by advertising which requires old-school marketing and advertising practices (advertising the advertisement, if you will), instead it's simply driven by what people watch. Or at least that's what they claim to be driven by.
If Ozark leads to people watching and subscribing for it, it will live. If it doesn't gain an audience, it won't. For now, that is how simple Netflix's decisions are.
Oh, definitely. Random ass Netflix original content: 99% match. Sci-fi thing I actually would watch based on my history: 78% match. It's pretty obvious if you don't have a wide variety of things watched yet.
If Ozark leads to people watching and subscribing for it, it will live. If it doesn't gain an audience, it won't. For now, that is how simple Netflix's decisions are.
Oh, definitely. Random ass Netflix original content: 99% match. Sci-fi thing I actually would watch based on my history: 78% match. It's pretty obvious if you don't have a wide variety of things watched yet.
styl3s
Member
Are we sure the Punisher was pushed? Because the only info i can dig up about it on any site or post just goes back to a single tweet from someone who doesn't work at netflix.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
No idea, just rumored whispers. I'd actually believe it since that's the only reason I could see them being so coy with release date beyond "2017." That plus the scheduled panel at NYCC.
I think one of the problems with this is it caters to the viewing habits of power users who are jumping on content very early in the lifespan, rather than based on longer-term catalog value. At least in my mind, it's hard to reconcile deciding on longterm value of shows to consistent subscribers based on just a few weeks of data in many cases.
dead souls
Member
Netflix simply makes too many shows. I find myself not even sampling most of them anymore. Their absurd release schedule is one of the worst things about peak TV.
A few shows I still have to try at all. My brother and I were delighted with Inhumans cause we were laughing at goofs and mocking silly stuff so I might watch that again. White Famous is a show I'd like to give a few episodes and Me Myself and I is one I've genuinely been enjoying so far.
Razgriz-Specter
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I never do this but man I hope Once Upon A Time gets cancelled quickly this season.
I had hope for the soft-reboot but this premiere episode was absolutely horrendous,
rebooted themselves into a far worse version and lacking in the stuff people cared about.
I had hope for the soft-reboot but this premiere episode was absolutely horrendous,
rebooted themselves into a far worse version and lacking in the stuff people cared about.
So much shit goes unannounced and just shows up. Like the One day at a time reboot, which is good, and Disjointed which is good background noise
I keep meaning to go back and start this. I need to invent time dilation, too much shit to watch.
Jason Frost
Member
Watch TV while you sleep.
LOL i do, i can't fall asleep in a quiet room. But if it is too loud i start dreaming whatever is playing.
I feel like Netflix needs a big fucking tiled landing page for everything good that they've made with minimal scrolling. "Here's what we're capable of" The current UI is so shallow. I rarely scroll to find something, which is a shame, because there's a lot of good stuff buried in there.
Their experiments with recommendations and matching have failed miserably for me.
didnt someone just post an article the other day and Ozark was like the third most watched show on netflix? >_>
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Nope. I imagine it's probably on the level of something like Halt and Catch Fire, with only a couple hundred thousand regular viewers per episode.
Those are never accurate.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
The show had problems but for the most part it was enjoyable for what it was, until this point(S7).
What's bad about it? I haven't watched the premiere yet.
I always catch pictures of the costume and just get morbidly curious. I seen cosplayers do amazing thing with a shoestring budget. But Once Upon of Time with the backing of Disney be like......eehhhhh
I've always been a fan of the costumes for the Evil Queen at least. Some of the characters and their costumes/attire can get a little iffy, but I've never grown tired of the Evil Queen's.
Netflix don't release their viewing numbers, so articles like that are just guesswork.
Razgriz-Specter
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They went too hard on the "mystery" angle trying to replicate S1 again.
They also made an extremely bland Cinderella the co-star and didn't even try to sell it like they did with Snow White and Charming.
The new town sucks and the original cast seems to all be demoted heavily so far.
I think Hook and Rumple's job is literally the only thing that interested me about this episode but they barely do anything because of the reboot.
Hook is a nice police officer, Rumple is a shady police detective. Hook gets promoted as his partner
Emma is already showing back up next episode
Season could be great but that premiere turned me right off and I had actually been really interested in seeing where they went with it.
It always depends on the character, the direct adaptations always seem cheap but the original designs are pretty darn good(Mulan, Evil Queen, etc)
Emma's actress is only contracted (wanted back) for that one episode. Knowing that, based on the preview, it looks like they are under utilizing the actress for the only episode they have her back for. I actually fell asleep watching the episode and I'm a fan. :/
Disaster fire all around....
I have zero hope for a 3rd season of The Exorcist, but I'm glad it's at least holding and that it didn't lose any demo from the premiere. That's generally a good thing. I wouldn't call it amazing or anything, but it's good enough for me to watch as a fan of the film and the horror genre.
I really want a Blu-Ray box set of the two seasons but Fox is barely supporting physical at all at this point with several shows not even getting a DVD release. Really sucks!
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I hate this trend because it assumes that everything is available digitally. Or that I want it just streaming or whatever. We've gone backwards a few steps.
Missed this for some reason. That Inhumans number is ... rough. Adding to that, from Deadline:
It's pretty doomed.
It kinda makes you wish they would have just not bothered with the wonky concept and stopped forcing lame jokes every 3 minutes because when they stop doing that it's a competent show.
The Mayor is a really interesting premise, that I feel the first episode does not do enough justice to.
The supporting cast is stellar, and their interactions pretty spot on, so I think they can buoy the show while the writers figure some stuff out.
I really hope the writers look to Parks and Rec for inspiration.
The Orville would actually be worth watching had it completely dispensed of the sitcom humor. Along with Seth, those elements are painfully bad and drag down the show significantly.
The supporting cast is stellar, and their interactions pretty spot on, so I think they can buoy the show while the writers figure some stuff out.
I really hope the writers look to Parks and Rec for inspiration.
The Orville would actually be worth watching had it completely dispensed of the sitcom humor. Along with Seth, those elements are painfully bad and drag down the show significantly.
Been recording the season, though I haven't watched any of the episodes yet. I figured I'll eventually catch up.
Star Trek Discovery season 2 may be announced soon:
https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/tv/2017/10/8/16444242/star-trek-discovery-season-2-renewal
The Orville may also be getting a season 2 with Seth MacFarlane saying it's 'likely':
http://screenrant.com/the-orville-season-2-likely-seth-macfarlane/
Both are great shows and a few episodes in, both shows have greatly improved in writing quality. Good stuff!
https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/tv/2017/10/8/16444242/star-trek-discovery-season-2-renewal
The Orville may also be getting a season 2 with Seth MacFarlane saying it's 'likely':
http://screenrant.com/the-orville-season-2-likely-seth-macfarlane/
Both are great shows and a few episodes in, both shows have greatly improved in writing quality. Good stuff!
MHWilliams
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That's good! They offer a different type of feel, but I enjoy them both. I wish The Orville would cut some of the jokes though.
The Neverland arc is close to being one of the worst things I've ever watched. They stretched it out waaaaay too long and the fucking twist about who Peter Pan is was too ridiculous even for OUAT.
And if it does get a second season (I don't see it not getting one) it'll be early 2019 at the earliest according to a THR interview with Kurtzman from a couple of weeks ago.
I wish Orville was straight comedy and cut the drama, but I have no context or love of Star Trek so I just want a joke machine.
CW stuff is back this week. Im expecting it all down a little from last season. Be interesting to see how far Flash drops after a poorly received season, and whether Arrow will hold I think an average of 0.6 with a well received season and cliffhanger.
CW stuff is back this week. Im expecting it all down a little from last season. Be interesting to see how far Flash drops after a poorly received season, and whether Arrow will hold I think an average of 0.6 with a well received season and cliffhanger.
Yeah, early 2019 is Kurtzman's take on "most ideal scenario" or what-have-you. (I know, I know. I could click the link. I'm terribly lazy at the moment. Running off memory.)
Anyway, I think barring absolute disaster, Discovery's second season was always assured. Sure, the show's costly, but it'd be such terrible PR if All-Access canned its supposed breadwinner straight out the gate. This was meant to be the turning point for the streamer. Failure so soon would look dang heckin' awful.
Not to pull away from the good news, of course. I'm rather loving the show so far and I'm a lifelong Trek enthusiast and yay. This is my happy face. It's just, I'd have been floored if the show stopped here even without the relatively impressive numbers it seems to be pulling in.
Anyway, I think barring absolute disaster, Discovery's second season was always assured. Sure, the show's costly, but it'd be such terrible PR if All-Access canned its supposed breadwinner straight out the gate. This was meant to be the turning point for the streamer. Failure so soon would look dang heckin' awful.
Not to pull away from the good news, of course. I'm rather loving the show so far and I'm a lifelong Trek enthusiast and yay. This is my happy face. It's just, I'd have been floored if the show stopped here even without the relatively impressive numbers it seems to be pulling in.
Razgriz-Specter
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Haha, it got annoying but I was okay with that arc, S2 was the only time I actually disliked the show.
It is.
It's pretty fun and everyone involved clearly is trying hard. I don't know if it's quite good yet but it's certainly bearable and it's getting better each episode.
Is that show any good? It's been on my Netflix banner for a while and I'm curious.
its out this friday, I just said it
I misread that "last trailer" as being the trailer for the last episode. My bad