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2nd Child of Pa. Couple Dies After Only Praying (Update: sentenced)
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Those are modern (mis)interpretations of something that wasn't the case when the Bible was written. The Bible is 2000 years old. The treatments it mentions are the best we had at the time. They weren't alternative medicines. Treating both the body and spirit (mind) instead of just symptoms can be good advice, since a positive, happy patient will recover quicker. However, I don't see anything in the Bible saying to forgo actual treatment in favour of praying to Jesus.
dantevsninjas
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Mythri Jayaraman said:
When you let the first child die of a treatable condition because you were two busy doing nothing, you don't get to be called good parents anymore.
Napoleonthechimp
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Yep, that's it. Cross your fingers and hope for the best. That'll heal him.
No. Nowhere does it say don't use any medicine at all. Nowhere at all. What medicine it says to use may be up for debate.
Holistic medicine itself is not always about avoiding mainstream medicine, just not relying on only mainstream medicine.
There is no justification for that anywhere in the bible, literal reading or otherwise. Holistic medicine will supply pills, they may not be therapeutic drugs, but certainly pills.
I'm not attacking you, sorry if I have been a bit vehement, but there is no justification for this in the bible at all. It is a whacked out interpretation of trusting in God and being passive as a sign of faith.
Bandages, salves, and balms are medicine. If it's good enough for disciples, it's good enough for every other Christian unless they are filled to the brim with hubris about being a better believer of some kind.
That is them cautioning people about meditation.
QuicheFontaine
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How was the whale supposed to help?
I think you mean, "Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again."
creationtheory
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This always frustrates me. There is no alternative medicine or mainstream medicine. There is medicine and not-medicine. If it works it's medicine.
James 5:14 - Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
How do I interpret this?
Note: I know you're not attacking and this isn't something I can even hope to stand on the side of BUT I can see how they can look at this book and get messages like Prayer is the cure-all.
I don't see anything in there that says "do not use medicine".
Omegasquash
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The kids are already dead.
As saying that that can be done, there is nothing saying do only that.
Meh, they are useful descriptors that people understand. I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't want to get bogged down in what is medicine when any medical attempt would have been better than the nothing they got.
Edit: There are other verses which tell Christians to use medical treatments, or have disciples using them, given those unless there is a lcear DO NOT USE ANY MEDICINE I cannot see any way to justify it on biblical grounds.
1 Corinthians 6:1920 - Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
Luke 10:34 - He went to him and bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he set him on his own animal and brought him to an inn and took care of him.
Matthew 9:12 - But when Jesus heard [that], he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
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They have a bunch more.
Omegasquash
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Funny thing...this story was taught to me in church by one of the more aware Sunday school instructors. She likened it to God helping those that help themselves...God presents us with opportunity to help ourselves, and we're responsible for taking it or not.
Mattlikewhoa
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It makes me sick to think that they consider themselves "parents"...
Lock them up, and throw away the flippin' key!
Lock them up, and throw away the flippin' key!
creationtheory
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They are bullshit, harmful, misleading terms for ill informed people.
For her kids or just for her? If it's just for her I don't mind. Thinning the herd.
HalfBakedProphet
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These people have such a poor understanding of cause and effect that I'm surprised they made it to adulthood
Not everyone should have kids.
Not everyone should have kids.
Like the hat?
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So incredibly fucking stupid.
Yeah, but I don't feel like fighting that battle today. Feel free to though, I will support you silently. Late here, off to bed.
CrunchyFrog
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Angry Fork
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If the kid dies they can just say it went to heaven and their conscience is cleared.
A man on a sinking ship gets on his knees and prays for rescue.
As the ship goes down, a rescue ship appears on the horizon. As it nears, the man can hear someone shouting for him to climb aboard.
"Nope," says the man, "I'm waiting for God to save me."
"Moron!" says the voice, and the rescue ship fades away.
The ship sinks, and the man gets to the pearly gates and demands to know why God didn't save him.
"Moron!" God says.
As the ship goes down, a rescue ship appears on the horizon. As it nears, the man can hear someone shouting for him to climb aboard.
"Nope," says the man, "I'm waiting for God to save me."
"Moron!" says the voice, and the rescue ship fades away.
The ship sinks, and the man gets to the pearly gates and demands to know why God didn't save him.
"Moron!" God says.
Joel Was Right
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Interesting background story to the husband and the Church
Goro Majima
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Here's the sermon from the church that this couple attends:
Healing - from God or medicine?
I don't think I've seen such an appalling application of the Bible in my life. I'm struggling to find a verse in this sermon that isn't out of context.
Healing - from God or medicine?
I don't think I've seen such an appalling application of the Bible in my life. I'm struggling to find a verse in this sermon that isn't out of context.
As a Christian myself, these people are idiots and should be sent directly to jail. I have no clue why there are moron Christians out there who believe like this. I've never met one myself, and I have met some wacko Christians over the years. I don't even see how you can take it from the Bible unless you are a legit moron, seriously. It even teaches that you need "works" along with "faith", not just faith alone. That alone should show them that you can't just pray for things to get better without actually putting forth effort.
Blah, this really pisses me off. Just lock up these two and be done with it.
I really hate when people see things like this and then applies it to all Christians. We are NOT all like this. Really, I promise.
Blah, this really pisses me off. Just lock up these two and be done with it.
I really hate when people see things like this and then applies it to all Christians. We are NOT all like this. Really, I promise.
Lol...this is my favorite excuse religious people come up with to answer why the world does not behave in a way that even remotely suggests the existence of a god.
Let's be real. Most religious people do not realistically expect god to ever make an appearance in any portion of their life. They've been trained to TALK about how there is a magical awesome god, but they usually never ACT like it. You go to church, sing about god for a few hours, and then you walk home, look both ways before you cross the street, and wash your hands before you eat.
When I ask why nobody has seen a miracle in over 2000 years or why god doesn't just appear and cure cancer, they look at me like I'm being silly. "Well of course he wouldn't just do that, that'd be ridiculous! Now excuse me while I go pray for my grandfather with Alzheimer's, God is good!"
What a crock of shit. The story in the OP is an example of what happens when people actually believe that a god will ever intervene in their lives.
from their church's site said:
The Bible's a fucking contradicting joke.
You all follow the same book though.
Hari Seldon
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Looks like the bible is saying to seek help from both.
GreatMightySymp
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This couple really shouldn't be allow to further reproduce.
I do wonder if they'll be charged after this or not.
I do wonder if they'll be charged after this or not.
fifasnipe2224
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And yet I still hear people say 'Religion does not negatively alter our actions/point of view.'
Lock these people up. They should be never again be responsible for someone elses life.
Lock these people up. They should be never again be responsible for someone elses life.
Questioning these kids' deaths is implying God is not in control.
Goro Majima
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I'll address this point but no more because if I really wanted to get involved I'd go dive head first into the religion threads.
Asa turned his back on God and wanted nothing to do with Him after Hanani the seer came and rebuked Asa for not trusting in God.
He didn't seek help from the Lord for his disease because he was too prideful.
Omegasquash
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Frankly I agree. In lots of cases, people just pray for something good to happen and then go out and do something about it. Kind of how an AA member keeps asking for strength from God to get through another day. They say that they give control to God, yet they themselves are the ones that make the choice to choose God over alcohol.
It's not God making the choice, it's them. They're actually taking control of their life and doing something. Just sitting around and praying while denying opportunity is flat out stupid.
Right, exactly. Most Christians are at least smart enough to know that you're not supposed to actually live your life like your faith is true and your god exists.
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