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2nd Child of Pa. Couple Dies After Only Praying (Update: sentenced)
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Omegasquash
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Hari Seldon
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Lololol. Most Christians aren't in some crazy cult denomination that interprets the bible completely incorrectly. Only for about a thousand years have Christians been running hospitals all over the world. And in many countries, they were the only ones running hospitals.
Sorry. I think this thread boils down to the problem of evil and I'm running through it in my head and posting pieces of it. I think the response to what I posted is supposed to be something about free will.
creationtheory
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To Christians saying these people have an incorrect interpretation of the bible:
Any interpretation of the bible is as valid as the next. You can cherry pick verses to match whatever worldview you want.
Any interpretation of the bible is as valid as the next. You can cherry pick verses to match whatever worldview you want.
Yes because they recognized that even though they like to talk about there being a powerful, perfect, and omniscient force for good, said force was apparently doing nothing about disease and injury found worldwide, so they would have to do it themselves.
Article in the OP is an example of perfect, unwavering faith.
All of them are in a crazy cult denomination that interprets the bible as fact. No matter how crazy this "fanatical cousin" seems to be, they're all in the same family.
Oh, they don't all believe the bible is fact?
That's bullshit, and I'm not at all religious.
Hari Seldon
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Perhaps the bible inspired the Christians to create hospitals all over the world, and therefore God indeed healed the sick.
OrlanisWorks
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I dont really get why people would think a god would help any one of us.
God hates us and he can't even help Himself, apparently. Man, people can be so fucking foolish.
God hates us and he can't even help Himself, apparently. Man, people can be so fucking foolish.
Or he could just eradicate all illness, but doesn't do it because lol.
creationtheory
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Medical fucking science heals. Don't give any credit to this imaginary bullshit.
Cult- A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
Sounds like Jesus to me.
Dr_Boris_Goltz
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Here's what I don't understand:
If you believe in a god, and it created EVERYTHING... Didn't it also create medical science?
Why the fuck would you only pray?
If you believe in a god, and it created EVERYTHING... Didn't it also create medical science?
Why the fuck would you only pray?
I'm going to not ask the obvious question of "Why didn't god just eradicate all disease?" because you don't have an answer to that.
Instead I'm going to point out that there is nothing inherent to building a hospital that limits it to Christianity. There are hospitals all over the world that are run by all sorts of religions. And some are even secular! Imagine that.
So your suggestion falls flat on its face.
Hari Seldon
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Does it matter if it is imaginary bullshit if it inspires hundreds if not thousands of hospitals to be created that actually use medical science?
This is just fucking silly now.. Yes. Yes, it does matter.
Band aids are preferred over surgery, yes.
every church wants to be the right one, and so they look for ways to differentiate themselves - and compete. Its a business.
JzeroT1437
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I'm not religious, and I'm not trying to defend these guys, but let's say god did create the universe and jesus was his son. God also likewise gave society the medicinal drugs it currently has in one form or another, in this scenario, so what's wrong with using them?
Neglect, any way you look at it.
Neglect, any way you look at it.
This is the same god who created fake dinosaur fossils to test our faith.
astroturfing
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this.
it's their family's religion, who are we to judge them? they have all the right in the world to practice their beliefs. it is obvious that they were very caring parents and deeply religious if they really prayed a lot for the children, but God decided to take them anyway.. so i dont see the problem. God heard them for sure, so them dying as Christian kids was probably a good thing because now they are in Heaven, before the world could corrupt them. in fact you could say God blessed the family. they are the lucky ones.. IMHO
No, not all Christians believe that the Bible is 100% literally true. This shouldn't be news to anyone.
Winterfang
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That's very sad to hear. Doctors exist for a reason and I don't think the Bible prohibits in any part, for us to take care of each other. I don't understand this war between Science and Religion, they aren't opposite or anything.
And now innocent children are dead.
And now innocent children are dead.
I was binary in my question, do they believe the bible is true? I don't give a shit about their percentage; Hell, I believe the bible is 0% literally true, am I in the same boat with some of them?
I have no idea what you think you are proving in this thread, but it's really kind of offensive and I'm not even religious. The vast majority of Christians have nothing whatsoever to do with faith healing groups, so your apparent attempts to pin part of the blame on Christians as a whole is just as problematic as people who try to pin blame for terrorist attacks on all Muslims. As an atheist, please lighten up with your crusade.
Exactly. He is being more black and white in his views of the world than the people he's trying to pigeonhole.
fifasnipe2224
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Are. You. Fucking. Kidding. Me?
Please tell me you are joking.
EDIT: He was joking. Thank the gods (the old and the new)
By that logic, so is the US Constitution. Guns and slaves for EVERYONE!
Ninja Scooter
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It's times like these that I wish Dexter were a real person.
SquiddyCracker
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This is why I support nanny states.
Hari Seldon
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The difference isn't in the percent truth, it is in how you interpret the various parables. The vast majority of the Bible is not as straight forward as the 10 commandments.
The problem is doubly hard with the Bible, since it was written in the year 0 for a year 0 audience. This is like someone reading Homer and deciding to start fucking sacking cities because they have no idea what the point of the story is.
My point sort of flared up when Christians swooped in to differentiate themselves from these people; a group of word-for-word Christians who took the bible extremely serious. I don't see a difference between them and the OP group on the level of believing the Bible is the way. These are apologists and the problem with them is their religion is based on faith, so don't take the higher ground when some Christians take their faith too far.
It's all gone too far at the end of the day.
Demoncarnotaur
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My sarcasm meter must be broken, right?
astroturfing
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i was joking.
bonesmccoy
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The notion that prayer = super duper powers is, at least in my understanding, a recent fundamentalist construct.
The Lord sent us the same joke three times! Blessings!
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Those dumbasses should go to jail obviously, though i wonder what good would do them.
Did I troll you or did you troll me with my own troll, or were we both just being sarcastic jerks?
Omegasquash
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fifasnipe2224
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You got me good.
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