yep
apparantly it is a human right to sexually and physically violate your children because, religion
that religious rights go before individual human rights in modern society is both baffling and terrifying
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2nd Child of Pa. Couple Dies After Only Praying (Update: sentenced)
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yep
apparantly it is a human right to sexually and physically violate your children because, religion
that religious rights go before individual human rights in modern society is both baffling and terrifying
andthebeatgoeson
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Kind of hard to take you serious when you lump baptism with circumcision. Really?
Summer camp is harmful since they put kids in water.
HP_Wuvcraft
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"Whether their religion had anything to do with the death of their baby, we don't know."
This quote.
This fucking quote.
This quote.
This fucking quote.
ElectricBlue187
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I'm pretty sure the judge can't just sentence people to death with no due process or anything, no.
Dude Abides
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A judge could reverse a guilty verdict but not a not-guilty verdict. Criminal defendants in felony cases are entitled to a jury trial, so a judge reversing a jury's acquittal and entering a conviction would effectively deny them that right. He might be able to declare a mistrial, but I'm not sure.
andthebeatgoeson
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But they are Christians. They follow a set of rules that was made up. Let me ignore the rules of the land and impose a set of rules....I just made up.
But seven of their children are still alive. They need to crank out a lot more before it's statistically significant but it's looking good so far.
ElectricBlue187
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Now I'm awully interested to know which rules you think weren't "made up"
LOL
AnathemicOne
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Christians gonna derp, in this case it caused 2 deaths
Gamble
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ugh stuff like this is why my faith in humanity dwindles gradually....
Alcotholic
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This story just pisses me off. I really can't stand people like this.
I dont understand how some people can be so delusional. I really hope they have learned from their negligence. Prayer cannot save a child.
I dont understand how some people can be so delusional. I really hope they have learned from their negligence. Prayer cannot save a child.
Yeah, time to put them in jail. It was a big mistake not to do so the first time, and now another child is dead as a result. They are a menace to any child in their care.
I suggest a compromise: they can practice faith healing, on themlselves, from jail.
I suggest a compromise: they can practice faith healing, on themlselves, from jail.
Wickerbasket
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Their whole congregation should be in jail.
All of their actions led to these deaths.
On the other hand, how the fuck were they allowed to kill the second kid too? You would think someone would keep an eye on child murderers.
All of their actions led to these deaths.
On the other hand, how the fuck were they allowed to kill the second kid too? You would think someone would keep an eye on child murderers.
Pray on it
Then you shit on all religions? Awesome, welcome to the club.
The Bible doesn't attempt to be an authority on medical advice, it has other pressing matters to address. What are you talking about because I'm kind of confused now? I don't read the Bible for medical advice on what to do if my appendix is rupturing. The Bible is about spiritual healing. The Bible says that God can perform miracles and it's good to pray to God and ask for things like miracles but that doesn't equate to sitting around and ignoring the good people God left on earth to fix stuff like a rupturing appendix.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I disagree, ancient Greeks and probably even before have hospitals.
They should worship me. I will dutifully ignore all their prayers as well. And in this instance, if they had sent me a prayer via text, I would have called a fucking ambulance and saved their kid.
You mean like the times where kids have drowned or been harmed during baptisms?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/23/child-drowns-baptismal-pool-indiana_n_1298002.html
http://www.mosquitonet.com/~prewett/badlybaptbaby.html
For the record, I am not against it on the whole, but that there are cases when dunking a screaming infant into water against its will probably isn't a good idea.
So you're saying that any interpretation of your post is as valid as the next?
Well, that's not really the same as the bible, since we can ask creationtheory what he meant.
It's a bit hard to ask God what he meant.
nailbombxx
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Natural selection that you can see with your very eyes.
It's the same in that saying "all interpretations are equally valid" is ludicrous. In one case we can ask the original author for his interpretation, sure. But in cases where we can't, it's mind-numbingly obvious that not all interpretations are equal. There are a range of interpretations from those that are roughly in line with the source material to those that are directly in conflict with it.
Are these people still allowed to make children? Should they be? I think this is an interesting question. Because 7 were taken away already and it has been established that 2 died due to negligence... So it seems it has been established that they're not fit to "have" children so why allow them to make children?
What if the source material is in conflict with itself? Wouldn't that allow for a much wider range of interpretations?
The Bible's different than most books, though. Therein lies the inherent problem, since most people who claim the correct Bible interpretation also claim God (who is often credited as author/co-author/"inspiration") agrees with this interpretation.
It's one thing to claim your own personal interpretation is right.
It's another to claim that the creator agrees with you and only you that your interpretation is correct.
No I don't think there are any direct reference by Jesus Christ about not seeking medical attention. There is some mentions of praying and faith healing though. Usually by himself. But, you know, he was the son of God so maybe he had some special access.
In fact:
Mark 2:17
17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them, It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.
He's unlikely to use that analogy if he is against doctors and medicne. Also Frankincense and Myrrh, as brought to baby Jesus, are both potent natural medicines:
Frankincense has antiseptic, nervine, decongestant and expectorant properties,
Myrrh has antibacterial, antifungal and anti-parasitic properties.
Quite how these loonies came to believe that Jesus wants them to live like savages is hard to fathom.
A wider range of interpretations, but some are still plainly wrong. And as you narrow down the level at which you're looking at the source material, that becomes less of a defence. When you look at a single Bible verse and misinterpret it completely, that's not as valid an interpretation as one that fits with what's written.
That ups the ante (or, if you don't believe in God in the first place, doesn't), but it doesn't change the fact that not all interpretations are equally valid. In fact it goes directly against that; if God not only exists but also has a 'correct' interpretation of His favourite book in mind, then other interpretations are really invalid.
Philadelphia? Honestly surprised. I figured most of this weirdo stuff happens out in the "sticks".
As a former PA resident...it's amazing how close you can be to civilization physically and so far conceptually. I was only a three hour drive from NJ/NY but you'd never know it.
The one distinct memory that always sticks out is seeing a protest of a store that was sold to and taken over by Russian owners. White trash carrying signs like "communists go home!" This was in a college town, mind you. Embarrassing.
As a former PA resident...it's amazing how close you can be to civilization physically and so far conceptually. I was only a three hour drive from NJ/NY but you'd never know it.
The one distinct memory that always sticks out is seeing a protest of a store that was sold to and taken over by Russian owners. White trash carrying signs like "communists go home!" This was in a college town, mind you. Embarrassing.
To bump this thread...
They were charged with 3rd degree murder and involuntary manslaughter today
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/b...g_couple_to_be_charged_in_infant_s_death.html
They were charged with 3rd degree murder and involuntary manslaughter today
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/b...g_couple_to_be_charged_in_infant_s_death.html
Brian Griffin
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Seriously?! 3rd degree murder doesn't get you locked up or will this be extra prison time for not calling the doc?
Kai Dracon
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Reading that article the details on their church and the stipulations of their prior conviction jump out rather loudly.
1. Their church advocates not using even glasses or seat belts.
2. They were explicitly ordered to call a doctor in the case of a sick child.
Seems unwise to allow these people near children ever again, whether their own or others. They appear to believe god is casting a magic bubble of protection around them and are daring reality to prove them wrong.
Brian Griffin
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Reality has already proved them wrong twice. I don't get why they don't see medicine as a gift from god. Like the stranded dude who is waiting for god to save him and turns down multiple rescue options sent by god because they aren't some divine looking shit or something. If you truly believe god has a plan and controls everything then should the discovery and use of medicine be part of god's plan?
Aeriscloud
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I wouldn't be able to function in society without my glasses. At least not with far away things.
Just as they want. It is your punishment for being a bad foetus.
threetri333
Banned
This should never happen in the first place. Not to sound like a prick..
Tie her tubes, give him a vasectomy
SerArthurDayne
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They are essentially facing three charges. New charges- 3rd Degree manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter for the new case. This seems like it would give a jury a lot of discretion to choose one or the other if they are actually charged with both.
They are also facing charges for the old case. Basically they failed their probation on a crime for which they were already guilty, and the judge can choose to enforce their prison sentence for that case or let them continue probation. For example, say they were sentenced to 2 years jail time, but allowed to serve it on probation. The judge could make them go to jail for two years on that completely separate from the new case. They are entitled to legal process before that can happen, but come on- they either called the doctor or they didn't, so pretty slam dunk.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Justice.
Wait, what kind of church allows that? That's in a fringe level.
So they really should be against seeking out food, sheltering from storms, or building houses, since god will provide if he wanted to.
To bump once more, they got 3 1/2 to 7 years...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-sent-to-prison-for-2nd-prayer-death/5612317/
I say even that is too little for these morons. Their "pastor" should be tossed in jail as well...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-sent-to-prison-for-2nd-prayer-death/5612317/
I say even that is too little for these morons. Their "pastor" should be tossed in jail as well...
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