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[Calverz]

I mean ps3 sold more than xbox 360, I would not consider that a failure. Maybe to Sony's standards.

If you look at market share before the 360 came out, then the PS3 can be considered a huge failure. They lost a huge chunk of the pie and Xbox gained a far larger market share.

Of course people will look at ps3 vs 360 sales. But considering the numbers that came before, more or less selling the same as 360, or a little more, was poor indeed.

 

[MrFunSocks]

I mean ps3 sold more than xbox 360, I would not consider that a failure. Maybe to Sony's standards.

Officially no, it didn't. The last official numbers from both Sony and Microsoft has the Xbox ahead.

 

[Helghan]

I don't think these figures are correct. Wasn't there a presentation of AMD before the PS5/XSX launched that put Xbox One already over 50M?

 

[MrFunSocks]

I don't think these figures are correct. Wasn't there a presentation of AMD before the PS5/XSX launched that put Xbox One already over 50M?

It's an unofficial estimate that we'll likely never know how far off the mark it is because Microsoft will never say how many it sold and they don't have to. It makes no difference to anyone, and there's not a single person on this forum who would benefit from knowing the official numbers. It could have sold 70 million, it could be 50 million, and either way it doesn't make a lick of difference.

The only real reason anyone wants numbers is so they can say mine is bigger than yours.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Yet as it turns out now, and as some of us were saying back then, it is exactly what people would be wanting in the future. Before the end of the generation gamers were overwhelmingly buying digital over physical, only thanks to their initial "concerns" and all the FUD that was spread at the time, they then lost all of the benefits that the initial Xbox One plans would have given them.

Uh I wouldn't say people were overwhelmingly buying digital by the end of PS360, in fact IIRC the ratio of digital back then was quite small. Unless they were XBLA/PSN indie games, digital was not really a factor back then.

For other industries like music, yes digital was far and away the biggest volume of sales, but for consoles that wasn't the case. If you mean by the end of PS4/XBO gen, however, then yes things had been shifting ever more to digital, though more so for Xbox than PlayStation, and it still leaned in favor of physical. Honestly it was the lockdowns from the pandemic in 2020 and 2021 that accelerated the volume of digital sales as much as they've grown, for obvious reasons.

Microsoft were giving gamers what they wanted, the gamers just didn't realise it yet because time and time again "GaMeRz" have proven to be a pretty dumb and reactionary bunch.

Let's be fair here; MS's messaging at the time was absolutely terrible. It doesn't matter how "right" they were at the end of the day about the trends of digital purchasing and whatnot; they simply dropped the ball in the lead-up and the stories making the news at the time about NSA and other hacks (and Sony's own 2012 PSN hack adding onto that) did Microsoft's messaging at the time no favors.

That's fine, but that's not what was being discussed and argued. The person I was trying to have a discussion with, in vain, was adamant that the Xbox One was unveiled at E3 and their entire E3 was TVTVTVTV.

Yeah, they are wrong on both counts if that's what they were doing. It's pretty easy to find the May reveal and the E3 presentation on Youtube; one definitely came before the other and there was definitely a tonal adjustment by them once the E3 presentation came.

 

[mckmas8808]

If you look at market share before the 360 came out, then the PS3 can be considered a huge failure. They lost a huge chunk of the pie and Xbox gained a far larger market share.

Of course people will look at ps3 vs 360 sales. But considering the numbers that came before, more or less selling the same as 360, or a little more, was poor indeed.

It wasn't poor. It was disappointment. But it's not poor by any means.

 

[cireza]

50 millions consoles is a huge number honestly. Great work from Microsoft with the console, and they are going forward with strength.

 

[ethomaz]

Officially no, it didn't. The last official numbers from both Sony and Microsoft has the Xbox ahead.

That actually incorrect.

Official from Sony and MS it was 87.4m vs 84m… that was the latest numbers shared by them.

You can argue that MS stopped to share numbers after 84m and Sony continued until 87.4m but that doesn't change these are the latest official numbers.

PS. I know he was perm banned but it is better to make it clear for others.