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A Fanboy Intervention [Red Steel Reactionary Piece]
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ghostlyjoe said:
Don't take my post to mean that I think because genre X is successful, genre Y will die out. I was just speaking in relative terms, since I'm quite sure that a GTA clone costs more than a Brain Training game, and because it costs more, it takes away more resources from other games, much more compared to what a BT game would have done.
JoshuaJSlone
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I can totally imagine some racing game where you'd hold the revmote in the NES fashion, turn it left or right as if a steering wheel, and twist it forward for speed. Perhaps in an RTS you could point to select a unit, and through tilting choose from a row of possible commands.Zenith said:
Chris Remo
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jaundicejuice said:
Some games on the DS are totally different. Most games aren't. That's just how it is. I mean yeah Nintendo plays up the innovation aspect, OBVIOUSLY it's exaggerated. Welcome to corporate marketing. Microsoft would have you believe your Xbox is powered by human energy, and Sony claims we haven't even seen HD yet. It's all bullshit.
However, there is some really awesome stuff that uses the touch screen: Meteos, Kirby, Metroid, Electroplankton (NOT for everyone I know but I love it).
Fair enough, I mean I doubt they're going to redefine gaming as a whole. However, their hardware looks like it has the opportunity to really offer some very new experiences. For the record, I thought the DS was going to be bullshit from the start (I was proven wrong because of its excellent library, even if the control mechanisms themselves haven't been "revolutionary"), but with Revolution I've been excited since the controller was revealed because I can already imagine many ways it could be super fun. And I'm not a game designer, so I'm sure the people who are will have a lot more ideas than I do.
Well...yeah, honestly yes, it's very exciting to me. I have nothing against the concept of a first person shooter, I've been playing them my whole life and have enjoyed many of them. However, ever since basically Half-Life came out the genre has been less and less interesting to me. There have been a few exceptions (Halo, Far Cry, a couple others) but I'm absolutely loving the idea of an interface where you have such direct tactile control. I think it could be incredibly revitalizing for the genre. Not everybody needs that, and there's no question the genre will continue to be successful with analog sticks and mice as well. I've been playing FPS games a LONG time though, literally since the genre began, and the idea of a whole new interface for them is just awesome to me.
Yeah, no doubt it's unlikely to look like it does in those shots. Quite frankly I couldn't care less about that, but many people will and that's up to them. Obviously Revolution isn't really aimed at those people to begin with.
Sure, but that's the case for every game. A lot of the mechanisms described in the preview would be really interesting, controller or not and "revolutionary" or not (sparing the lives of minibosses and having that actually affect the game later, having a first person sword combo system, etc.), and maybe they'll pan out and maybe they won't. AI is something that EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPER promises and it basically NEVER works right, so I don't expect any more in that area from this game than I would for any other.
The idea of using the controller in a game like this sounds fun as hell. Seriously, that's the biggest thing I'm looking forward to. I love the idea of looking around and aiming like that, but not in an on rails sense like a light gun game. I love the totally useless details like the gun rotating to match your wrist; those are things that are there purely for immersion's sake and that kind of unorthadox attention to detail is something I love about immersive video games. It just sounds like if the team does a good job, the game could be really, really fun, and that's pretty exciting.
evilromero
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What if they already own a PS2?Drinky Crow said:
MidgarBlowedUp
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evilromero said:
Well, they would need to buy games for it, and possibly a memory card.
SantaC
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My biggest compliant with the Nintendo Revolution doubters is that why would you want as a consumer 3 consoles on the market that does the same thing AGAIN? Answer me that, and we're all good. Personally I am happy that Revolution has a different control setup than that of 360 and PS3. Now I can enjoy my Revolution games in one way, and PS3+360 in another.
Shin Johnpv
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Nash said:
I want that to happen
I think the Internet has had a good run but we need to freshen it up a bit a good meltdown and rebirth would do it wonders
Shin Johnpv
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_leech_ said:
you just described every single company in the world good job
seriosuly the point of every company is to make money not to leave a trail of sunflowers and happy smiling faces in their wake while they slowly go bankrupt and start doing cheap tricks in dirty alleyways
Shin Johnpv
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_leech_ said:
then why didn't Microsoft include HD-DVD and wifi from the start?
why is Sony dropping Memory Card Support for PS1 and PS2 memory cards from the PS3?
I mean that's just the tip of the iceburg there's alot of shit Sony and Microsoft have done for profit and not for the consumer it's called buisness
FortNinety
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Why are people so fixated on hating those that enjoy/prefer [brand x]'s console and/or games? Granted, we all have out likes and dislikes, and some of us are even pretty passionate about it. And even I have stated my opinions, knowing full well that it would ruffle feathers, but after awhile, the shtick just gets old.
Oblivion said:
I'm not so sure. People exaggerate the GTA clone-a-thon and the success of those titles, I think. Meanwhile, the "non-game" revolution is seriously in control of Japan.
I mean Animal Crossing is going to outsell FFXII over the course of its lifespan. Why? WHY, CRUEL GOD, WHY!?
soul creator
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This article is pretty silly and ignorant (probably for the sake of being "humorous")
That said, I guess I'm just different from all the "bored with gaming" people in the sense that I never placed a huge amount of importance on the controller used as far as what make gameplay "innovative". I see a lot of people say things like "Sony/MS are offering graphics, while Nintendo is offering innovative gameplay!" as if the controller is the only thing that dictates level design, AI, pacing, graphic and audio design, and all the other functions that I consider part of gameplay.
Sure the controller's important, but it's not the sole component of "gameplay" as some might imply. That's sorta like saying every FPS on PC automatically has better gameplay than a console FPS, just because you use a mouse/keyboard.
Of course, I'm still looking forward to getting my hands on the thing, and feel free to prove me wrong Nintendo
That said, I guess I'm just different from all the "bored with gaming" people in the sense that I never placed a huge amount of importance on the controller used as far as what make gameplay "innovative". I see a lot of people say things like "Sony/MS are offering graphics, while Nintendo is offering innovative gameplay!" as if the controller is the only thing that dictates level design, AI, pacing, graphic and audio design, and all the other functions that I consider part of gameplay.
Sure the controller's important, but it's not the sole component of "gameplay" as some might imply. That's sorta like saying every FPS on PC automatically has better gameplay than a console FPS, just because you use a mouse/keyboard.
Of course, I'm still looking forward to getting my hands on the thing, and feel free to prove me wrong Nintendo
Shin Johnpv
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Y2Kevbug11 said:
Possibly because the gamplay of FFXII is weak sauce plus we're up to 12 FF games maybe people want something different now
I used to be a big FF fan since the days of the first one and honestly X was ok X-2 I played for about 15 minutes and just had no desire to go back to, the demo for XII left me less than enthused
I'm sure there are others that feel the same way, and maybe some of those got into Animal Crossing *shrug* I personally didn't but maybe others did
JoshuaJSlone
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Not that I'm a proponent of the "Success of this genre kills other genres." theory, but going by the February Famitsu LTDs, if you add together 4 Training games and all the versions of Nintendogs, it comes to about 5.8 million sales total. Isn't that about what each console GTA release this generation has done in the US?Y2Kevbug11 said:
Y2Kevbug11 said:
GTA clones cost more money to make, and would take away many more resources from other projects than something like AC would ever do.
And AC is about as much of a "non-game" as the Sims is, and I don't think it's destroyed the PC market.
Red Blaster
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Shin Johnpv said:
FFXII gameplay being weaksauce compared to Animal Crossing? :lol
WrathOfOtaibah
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Probably one of the best articles written in the gaming media this year.
did no one else anticipate this feature? at all? every person+site is going on about how unbelievable it is but I always saw it as a base feature for every first person rev game. it's the whole point of the controller. in current FPSs we always have the gun nailed to the side of the screen because controls are too crude to allow any further manipulation. people here are seriously lacking imagination.
Shin Johnpv
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Somethingblah Cock said:
where did I say compared to Animal Crossing? I was talking about it compared to Past FF games
which it is, the combat is lame and sucks not as fun as past FF Games. The point I was making, was that maybe people said hey this isn't the FF I loved in the past I'm gonna try something new. There's nothign wrong with that and we really shouldn't be all crying dear god why when something new outsells the 12th instalment of another series.
Shin Johnpv said:
You sit on a throne of lies.
FFXII scored a perfect 40 in Famitsu and is garnering universal acclaim.
Those are world wide sales on the GTA games, though, no? The training games match the OUTRAGEOUS success of the GTA games in one territory. And they're shooting up the US amazon list now!
I don't get the money argument. That just supports what I'm saying. It's easier to make Brain Age that costs like 20,000 to develop and sells 5.8 million copies...or you can make a massive GTA. Which would you make?
And the Sims is SO much more game than Animal Crossing. How can you compare them? Yes, there is no "end" technically in either of the games, but the Sims just has so much more of a rigid game structure...there is so much more to DO in the Sims.
Red Blaster
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Shin Johnpv said:
You've only played a demo which according to people who've played the finished game, is hardly indicative of the end product. Not to mention FFXII is wildly different from any previous FF games, so who cares if it's the 12th game as long as it's diffferent?
Chris Remo
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Y2Kevbug11 said:
That sort of thing happens all the time though and nothing really comes of it. Remember those hunting games? Deer Hunter was the top selling game for a while and then there were forty thousand deer hunting games a second, and some of them sold well and some didn't but it had hardly any lasting effect on the industry. What is likely going to happen if Brain Age sells really well in the US is that a bunch of publishers will release their own versions, some will sell well and some won't, but the market just won't support an infinite number of Brain Age clones. Most of them will fail and even though they had low budgets to develop it won't be worth continuing that trend. Brain Age will continue to do pretty well, or there might be some other game that steals the throne (though that's unlikely) but there's no chance, even remotely, that it'll somehow change the focus of the entire industry.
Y2Kevbug11 said:
Nope. GTA world wide sales is like 13 million per game. (3 and beyond)
Yet in both cases, (assuming both GTA and "non-games" are bad), they're bad for the industry. And the cheaper game is better, because you get more money out of a smaller investment, and you could use that to make other genres.
What? Just because one has way more features than the other, the other should be counted as a non-game? Does Tekken having less combos or whatever than Marvel vs. Capcom make it a non-fighting game?
Zenith said:
I was thinking about an anime I watched years ago (or maybe it was a John Woo movie) where the protagonist deflected bullets by smacking them with the broad side of his pistol.
I figure you'll be able to do that with your sword, so why not with your gun? Makes freeze shot all the more awesome if you ask me.
Shin Johnpv
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Y2Kevbug11 said:
It's a FF game being reviewed by Famitsu ofcourse it's going to score that
I don't know man I played the demo a couple of times and I have to be honest between the increadibly lame Character Design and the increadibly lame battles I have 0 interest in the title, and this is coming from some one who has bought every single other FF game on day one
now IM not trying to say A C is a deeper richer title than FFXII the point im making is something new outselling the 12th interation of something isn't a bad thing
EmCeeGramr
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Y2Kevbug11 said:
So did nintendogs. Which I just know you're going to say sucks but I liked plenty. THE POINT IS, Definitely wasnt a perfect score game.
And the amount of urban thug games and gratuitous violence in games has definitely risen since gta came out, the reason why they didnt take over is because gta wasnt nearly as phenomenal in japan.
I'd have to look, I'm not sure.Oblivion said:
Why would you even make those other games? They cost more to develop and are bigger risks. You could make the same profit on a "nongame."
That wasn't really the point, I was just expressing my relative disgust with Animal Crossing. When I played animal crossing...I didn't know what I was doing. I was digging up holes to find fossils to get out of debt. And I was selling fruit. That's not a game. In the Sims, I was balancing the meters and building relationships. I felt that was more of a game than the animal crossing type "life simulator." Yes, the Sims is a "nongame" I guess, but I just don't see how they are comparable.
This is like the sixth game in Famitsu history to score a 40/40. So no, you're wrong, actually.
I have no problem with you liking it. I just worry about huge, multi-year development viability on projects like FFXII if they are gonna get outsold by Tamagotchi with voice recognition and touch screen features. How much money did FFXII cost square enix?
Shin Johnpv
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Somethingblah Cock said:
ok your still focusing on minute details while the greater point of what I was trying to say just flew past your head
X new game is wildly different from previous games in genre, so who cares if it sells better than Y12 it's soemthing different
I only brought up FFXII and AC because those were the two examples he gave, and good I hope the final is better than the demo because the demo left me not caring one bit about the game
Hitler Stole My Potato
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Holy Christ, that's small.
Red Blaster
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Oblivion said:
No, but your original comparison still overlooks the fact that The Sims has resource management involved, your Sims die if you can't organize and strategize well, etc.
Shin Johnpv
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Y2Kevbug11 said:
and how many games have gotten 38s or 39s and what have been the scores of Past FF games Im gonna bet that everyone of them has been in the 37 - 40 range, which I think is off because FF8 and 11 both sucked ass as did X-2
EmCeeGramr
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Hitler Stole My Potato said:
Holy Christ, that's small.
I wonder if they're just scaling to the dpad size. They wouldnt make the dpad that small again would they?
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Y2Kevbug11 said:
Let me ask you this. Do you see the crowd who buys GTA/50: Cent/True Crime/etc. would want to buy a BT game? Do you see them not buying GTA for BT? GTA's incredible performance didn't stop yearly Madden updates from selling truckloads. AC's incredible performance in Japan didn't stop people from rushing to get FFXII.
There's always going to be a market for different genres. I personally can't stand GTA, and I would stick to FF, and so would several people. Likewise, the reverse is true.
Oblivion said:
Ah, I see what you are saying. At least as far as any MAJOR company who could potentially tap (that is, fund development) both of those markets.
Small companies and smaller studios that used to crank out original, "innovative" content though...could be difficult.
Shin Johnpv
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Y2Kevbug11 said:
the point of this line of questioning is that video game reviewers are not an all truthful source remember how everyone gave Enter the Matrix awesome reviews and then months down the line were like Yeah the game sucked but we gave it good reviews anyway
big name games very rarely get an honest review and just because Famitsu says its totally wicked dude doesnt make it so, there have been past FF games that were weaksauce and there will be future ones and I bet everyone of them gets a good review in Famitsu
Maybe getting outsold by a game like Animal Crossing will cause square enix to re-evaluate how it does things, do the FF games really need 6 - 7 years and hundreds of millions of dollars to be good games, or is alot of that spending and that dev time being wasted
Competition only breads better things for the consumer, having a "staple" of the industry being outsold by something like AC just might be a good thing